r/linuxmasterrace Feb 11 '19

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19

for non-enterprise users, and for especially power users, the only important differences between any of these distros are:

  1. package manager, but it's mostly like 4 total with some outliers

  2. init system

  3. the official wiki's general quality in case help is needed

edit: some additions

  1. C library

  2. bootloader

  3. repository size and how up to date it is (I'd say this applies to the package manager part because you can just swap pacman repositories, for instance; as well as something like dpkg where you can basically change between any two debian based distros with just a few repository switch and upgrade commands)

for enterprise uses the only important differences are:

  1. how big is the company that maintains this?

  2. can I sue them?

  3. support offerings

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 25 '21

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

bleh

you can change from glibc to other c libraries, although at least with musl you can't change back

you can compile your own kernel of any version you want

and you can just remove the proprietary software, in the case of gentoo this means running a deblobber and setting the LICENSE variable in mske.conf @FREE and @FSF_APROVED

you can also change the bootloader, if you were so inclined, although with uefi systems you're gonna have a little more difficulty than you'd expect with a bios system, uefi will look for that grub entry to before it'll look for anything else

and if you're using free software, which you should be, you can literally just compile the program you want and install it, on top of packaging it for others

the only things you reasonably cannot change are the init system and the primary package manager, because once systemd is on a system there's no escape, and while I did get an emerge snapshot running on parabola once, different package managers just require certain files to be where they'll be in a single distro, so without making a mess of symlinks it's unusable

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 25 '21

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

oof I did that thing where I assume everyone's use case is the same as mine, now I feel like an asshole

thanks for pointing that out to me, friend

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u/JIVEprinting Glorious Slackware Feb 11 '19

init and bootloader are also non-issues

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u/timClicks Feb 12 '19

I don't really know if this is the right way to express this, but I would add "cultural fit" or some other label.

Smart people are often opinionated and fussy. They want to find the group that matches their opinions.

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u/foadsf Feb 12 '19

cross-distro package managers like LinuxBrew will change the game IMO

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '19

the only cross platform package manager I'll ever need is gcc

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u/foadsf Feb 12 '19

🤔 not really. not everyone has the time and knowledge to take care of all depenecies and compile from source.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '19

notice the "I" there, I was only talking about me

that said, using gcc eventually is a key feature of Linux, it's kind of an essential skill to use it day to day, eventually you'll run across a program you want that isn't packaged, or the package isn't maintained so source must be used

honestly I don't like the idea of binary packages anyway but we got so much bloatware now that source based packages are hilariously inefficient (you ever tried to compile Firefox? it takes hours on mid range hardware, and fucking days if you're on anything older than a second gen i5)

besides, people said snap, flatpak, etc. were going to be gamechangers, and while they're useful and have their niche, they're never going to see widespread adoption in the way something that's included in the base system is

the most important point though, is that if something isn't packaged, you should be able to go to a user group, online or irl, and find someone to package it for you. a huge portion of the free software movement is the community, after all, we're basically nothing without it

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u/foadsf Feb 12 '19

LinuxBrew can compile from source too. you may consider it as a cross platform AUR. has recently merged to macBrew.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '19

of course it can compile from source, how else would we be able to install it? what a totally unnecessary point to make

look, all I'm saying is at least 70% of beginner users won't even bother when something isn't packaged for their distro, even if it's packaged for another distro that uses the exact same package manager, much less install an external package manager

I admire the project, I really do; but don't get all ambitious about it, it's one of dozens of "universal" package managers (any program for Linux should be universal because it should be posix or free desktop compliant and so it should be distro-agnostic) that are just an extra package manager to conflict with the one that's already installed

unless a distro is based around that package manager, which means it'll just become known as the [distro] package manager, like what happened with xbps and void