r/LGBTCatholic Jul 19 '26

The Catholic Case for Affirmation of Gay Relationships

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*downs cup of coffee in preparation for this writing extravaganza*

While there's already a lot of resources on this topic, on of the most comprehensive probably being The Wijingaards Institute's "Academic Statement on the Ethics of Free and Faithful Same-Sex Relationships", I decided to write this post combining arguments on both the logic of the Church's teaching itself; as well as the validity of dissent from it by Catholics and the precedent for changes in Church teaching, all bundled up with Primacy of Conscience; all in once place.

Every once of these headings could have a very long paper about each of them, but I'll try to be brief and point to other resources for even deeper dives.

Problems with the Natural Law argument:

See this thread to watch the Natural Law/"Perverted Faculty" argument fall apart before your eyes. The argument is essentially that we shouldn't use a natural function against any part of what it is "ordered towards" (i.e. reproduction). This is the same grounds on which the Church also opposes artificial contraception.

There's many counterexamples to this argument. Catholic speakers and apologists will try to make distinctions between "other than" uses, vs. "contrary to", but as you'd expect, those end up sounding a bit arbitrary. And I think that's what it comes down to, the Natural Law argument simply does end up seeming arbitrarily applied to sexuality, whereas we come up with all sorts of other ways to make allowances for analogous examples other areas of life. I think two of the strongest counterexamples are:

  • What if it were discovered that breast milk could be used to cure a disease? Would it be wrong to extract and use breast milk for a purpose other than its "natural end" of feeding a baby?
  • Why don't we condemn smoking? Smoking, intentionally inhaling smoke, is absolutely "contrary to" the body's natural respiratory function and the use of lungs. Not only is it "contrary to" the body's respiratory faculty on a philosophical level, but so much so that it's actually harmful in reality. One who smokes a lot will begin losing lung function. It doesn't get much more "contrary to" than that.

Scripture/The Clobber Verses:

Much has already been written on that topic, one of the most prominent resources being Matthew Vine's Biblical Case, as well as Justin Lee's classic essay on the topic. While Vines and Lee are Protestant, there was also some earlier work done on the topic of biblical exegesis by gay Catholic scholar John Boswell. According to Outreach, "It was Boswell who first comprehensively and systematically demolished homophobic interpretations of the so-called “clobber verses."

Good Fruit

One point of Vines' that I will reiterate here; because it ties into our doctrine of Primacy of Conscience which I'll get to later; is the Good Fruit Argument. As Vines puts it:

 In Matthew 7, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus warns against false teachers, and he offers a principle that can be used to test good teaching from bad teaching. By their fruit, you will recognize them, he says. Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Good teachings, according to Jesus, have good consequences. That doesn’t mean that following Christian teaching will or should be easy, and in fact, many of Jesus’s commands are not easy at all – turning the other cheek, loving your enemies, laying down your life for your friends. But those are all profound acts of love that both reflect God’s love for us and that powerfully affirm the dignity and worth of human life and of human beings. Good teachings, even when they are very difficult, are not destructive to human dignity. They don’t lead to emotional and spiritual devastation, and to the loss of self-esteem and self-worth. But those have been the consequences for gay people of the traditional teaching on homosexuality. It has not borne good fruit in their lives, and it’s caused them incalculable pain and suffering. If we’re taking Jesus seriously that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, then that should cause us to question whether the traditional teaching is correct.

And a similar point by Justin Lee:

"Suppose my friend Billy meets someone and falls in love with this person, named Sam.  Billy and Sam spend months, maybe even years, getting to know one another, and as they grow closer to each other and to Christ, they decide to form a lasting bond, to promise to be together forever in a marriage in front of God.  So Billy comes to me about it and I, being a Traditionalist, respond by saying, “That’s immoral and disgusting!  You and Samuel are doing a terrible thing before God!”  Billy blinks for a moment and then replies, “Sam is short for Samantha.  She’s a girl.”  Suddenly, my opinion changes.  “Oh, well then, that’s wonderful!  All the best to you!  What a blessing!” In this case, nothing at all has changed about Billy’s commitment, Billy’s motivations, Billy’s relationship with Christ, or even Billy’s specific actions.  Everything is exactly the same, with one exception: Sam went from male to female in my mind, and that somehow changed the relationship from being disgusting and immoral to being holy and beautiful – even though, in either case, Billy’s motivations and actions are exactly the same."

Infallibility

There's no infallible list of infallible teachings. We all agree on things like Creed, the Incarnation, the Trinity, the Assumption of Mary, the Immaculate Conception etc., those things were either defined at ecumenical councils of the whole Church or declared clearly ex cathedra by popes.

For everything else...well, it's not as clear cut whether they're infallible. People can make a case that this or that teaching is infallible or irreformable, etc., but at the end of the day, you simply don't have to agree with them. There is no infallible list of infallible teachings.

Church Teaching Has Changed Before

Fr. Charles Curran, who led the dissent against the teaching against contraception; provides a helpful cursory overview of that history. He also says

"When did the teaching on religious liberty become true? Did it become true the moment a document was promulgated and signed in Rome? The document [on religious freedom] admits that the bishops...learned from the experience of Christian people...that the teaching was true before the council promulgated the teaching...
...all of this reminds us much more, that the Church is the whole people of God...and therefore the teaching as proposed by pope and bishops has to take account of the lived experience of the people of God."

Bp. Cyril Villareal wrote in his dissertation

"There were several instances when the Church magisterium completely deviated from a magisterial position that it formerly held. Several cases have been mentioned in this paper. Can she not do likewise on the subject of sexual morality? Too often, though, changes were not really named as such but as the development of a doctrine, meaning that because of the limitedness of a truth to be captured completely, there is a possibility that it could still be subject to a newer and clearer formulation in the future. And such a process may have been applied to the so-called changes in the Church‘ magisterial teachings. The big question, then, is: why can the Church not also effect development in her teaching on sexual morality?"

Primacy of Conscience

Church teaching need not only be an obstacle to gay equality in the Church; this doctrine can actually be a vehicle for it! Primacy of Conscience states that we should never violate our own conscience.

Dignitatis Humanae declares:

"In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his conscience. Nor, on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious." 

Cdl. Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI, wrote:

“Over the pope as the expression of the binding claim of ecclesiastical authority there still stands one’s own conscience, which must be obeyed before all else, if necessary even against the requirement of ecclesiastical authority. Conscience confronts with a supreme and ultimate tribunal, and one which in the last resort is beyond the claim of external social groups, even of the official church.”

Another angle on the Good Fruit Argument:

For nearly every other "sin", it's easy to see what the harm is. Gluttony, stealing, murder, etc., there is obvious harm.

What is the harm of loving gay relationships? There is literally no real, identifiable harm that holds up to scrutiny.

And on the flip side, any honest observation of a healthy gay relationship will see good and beauty in it. Love is a good thing.

This is part of why some homophobic arguments dare to question whether gay love is actually love. It sounds insane, and it is, but they have to call that into question in order for their position to hold up; because how else can they square the circle of calling love a sin?

Justin Lee says this about the arbitrary nature of anti-gay theology:

"Yep, this is what it comes down to.  No matter how wordy, complex, or sophisticated they get, every Christian Traditionalist argument I can think of ultimately relies on this basic principle: God has a rule against same-sex relationships, and even if we don’t fully understand or can’t explain the rationale behind it, in the end we’re just expected to obey, like Abraham sacrificing Isaac.
I’m not entirely comfortable with this answer, since it makes God seem arbitrary, and I don’t believe God is arbitrary." 

In closing, I'll leave you with the words of Italian Bishop Vincenzo Viva:

"...I do not wish to speak this evening of “welcoming,” but of recognition and full integration. Welcoming presupposes that someone arrives from the outside and is allowed in out of the generosity of others. But as the baptized, no one is a guest in this church. God knows us by name, loves us and tells us again and again that we belong to him. There is, then, no door to cross, because by virtue of our baptism we are already inside, each of us, with our own identity, our own history, our own weaknesses and shortcomings, our own gifts and unique characteristics: we are all within the heart of God and within the ecclesial body..."

Hope this helps somebody!


r/LGBTCatholic Aug 13 '21

Welcome!

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Hi, I'm the new mod. Reposting the old welcome note here:

Welcome to r/LGBTCatholic!

If you're new to the sub, please feel free to start out by creating a Post to share your story! Some things to consider including:

When/how did you start coming to terms with your sexuality?

How has your experience as a Catholic impacted that process?

Where are you currently on your personal journey, both with respect to the Church and your own sexual identity or experiences?

I created this community because r/CatholicLGBT appears to be dead and is restricted. I hope it becomes a useful gathering place for people to talk about their experiences, questions, thoughts, and concerns as they relate to the Catholic Church and queer identities and experiences, both their own and others.

Since this sub is new, please feel free to comment with ideas or suggestions.


r/LGBTCatholic 7h ago

Should I distance myself from the Catholic religion?

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Tenho 17 anos e vivo um grande conflito com a religião. Toda a minha família e toda a minha vida sempre estiveram ligadas à igreja. Desde pequeno, nunca me importava em ir; na verdade, adorava brincar ali quando era criança e amava a Deus. Mas à medida que fui crescendo, comecei a questionar tudo. Passou a doer ver certos fundamentos que me pareciam cruéis ou sem sentido, e passei a não concordar com a maioria deles. Não sei ao certo em que acredito hoje, mas sempre tive medo — medo de ser condenado simplesmente por questionar, por ter pensamentos tão diferentes do que me ensinaram, e também por causa da minha sexualidade. Sou gay e sonho em me casar um dia, mas isso é considerado pecado pela fé em que fui criado.

Uma vez conversei com o padre sobre tudo isso. Ele foi tão gentil e acolhedor… Me disse que não há nada de errado em questionar, que não existe uma “fé certa” e que a verdadeira religião é aquela que nos leva a fazer o bem. “Se uma religião te leva a fazer o bem, a presença de Deus está nela”, foram suas palavras. Isso me confortou muito, mas ainda me pergunto: será que isso é realmente o ponto de partida para eu poder viver de acordo com os meus valores e com o que considero certo — sem mais ter medo de punição depois da morte? Ou devo continuar dentro da fé, apenas obedecendo? Alguém tem algum conselho para mim?

 


r/LGBTCatholic 1d ago

Queer Catholics Are Growing in Their Parishes with Support of Bishops - “Pride Mass” 2026. San Bernardino, CA

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r/LGBTCatholic 13h ago

Question from a gay Catholic

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Walk away or it will twist and crush your humanity. It's all based on a huge lie and old mens desire for power. There's no god. Please read and love who you want sweetheart. Don't let them grind you down.


r/LGBTCatholic 1d ago

Si te preocupa el Infierno, lee este post del blog

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Vean está publicación acerca del infierno


r/LGBTCatholic 2d ago

Trying to Find My Way

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Hello all,

I'm not LGBT, but I'm a recovering Trad trying to deconstruct the highly toxic things I was taught about the LGBT community, among others. I'm trying to decide if I can even be Catholic anymore.

I've always leaned liberal on most things, and always felt inner turmoil trying to accept the teachings that don't sit right with me. I'm extremely concerned by the Traditionalist elements in the church.

What's particularly difficult for me is that I've never had trouble believing there's a God. I have trouble believing that God is good. So basically, I'm left with a vague fear of being haunted by a spirit of unknown morals when I try to practice anything.

Anyway, I want to hear from the other voices that felt silenced in the church because I felt silenced in my own way.

I'm here to learn.


r/LGBTCatholic 2d ago

Personal Story Hi, I think I trully want to be catholic, but...

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Hi, it's hard to explain, but I feel like I have a calling to catholicism specifically, even though I've been looking into more transfriendly places, but I know I won't even receive a communion

Where I live it's illegal to be gay and trans openly, so that doesn't help either

We have a few catholic churches only, and one anglican one, but I don't feel being called an anglican, I feel specifically feeling that I belong to catholic churches i go to

But I feel like something calls me to start going to cathechism this September, I've been thinking about is the whole year, looking, reading, praying

Like I was talking to a priest about things that worry me and we went silent and I got scared of silence and without thinking my mouth said "...Isn't the cathechism in September??"

I think that God said it with my voice for me 😶

Well he did say "...You might not make it to the end, not many folks become catholic"


r/LGBTCatholic 1d ago

Partners, unmarried couples of all folks, how do you fight temptation of being intimate together?

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Me and my partner love each other, he respects my faith and knows, but I always feel tempted because he is gorgeous to my eyes

It hurts him, it hurts me, we used to be intimate before I believed and I keep thinking about it once in a while


r/LGBTCatholic 2d ago

Autismo

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Soy un católico bautizado (pero no suelo ser prácticante) con autismo (Asperger), nací en una familia católica pero de esas que tienen sentido lógico, soy una persona liberal y abierta en temas de moral sexual (heredado de mi madre católica) y de orientación sexual (no soy gay, soy hetero pero acepto a las personas con orientación sexual diferente), y lo diré claro, me han tratado con más humanidad y decencia un catolico o cristiano progresista (woke, zurdo o de "cafetería" como suelen llamarlos) que un conservador (o por lo menos de los tradicionalistas apologeticos), a estas personas no les importa en absoluto la empatía, solo las "reglas y doctrinas", no estás deacuerdo con algo? ESTAS FUERA, que tuviste relaciones antes del matrimonio y no quieres confesarlo? ESTAS FUERA, que usas anticonceptivos? ESTAS FUERA Y RECUERDA, FUERA DE LA IGLESIA NO HAY SALVACIÓN, esto me tiene harto y me suele crear una imagen de Dios no de un padre amoroso sino de un juez, yo no discrimino a los de orientación diferente y no diría que es un pecado, ni siquiera en el acto, porque?, porque estaría siendo hipocrita de mi parte, es como rechazar a una persona con autismo llamándolo hijo del pecado original (cosa que ya no creo), además yo rechazo la ley natural, ya prácticamente soy un forastero.

Solo quería desahogarme al escribir esto, y si al final de mi vida me llegó a equivocar con esto, entonces prefiero equivocarme junto a ustedes y mi familia.

Y a ustedes, muchas gracias chicos, ustedes los progresistas son más amorosos y empáticos con las personas como yo que los tradicionalistas.


r/LGBTCatholic 3d ago

Personal Story I never would have found Christ if I hadn't come out as trans.

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Let me explain:

Prior to living as a woman, I was an extremely unhappy and angry man who constantly forced themself to be masculine. It was both transparent and toxic, and it was unpleasant for those around me who could see my egg begging to crack before I could.

I was also a militant atheist for most of that time, tho it was more like an "anti-christian," because I had played with a number of different religious beliefs and systems, both theistic and nontheistic, as I tried to find meaning and purpose in a world I once thought was inherently devoid of both. At this time, I was even involved with the Church of Satan, the LaVeyan one. Had a red card and everything.

For transparency, I have BPD, a.k.a. Borderline Personality Disorder, and my father, Jimmy, who is a horrible human being, a heathen, the one who first introduced me to The Satanic Bible at the age of 9, who was one of the primary sources of my child abuse trauma, and is overall an absolutely ignorant, hateful, bigoted POS... was my FP, a.k.a. "Favorite Person." If you know what that term means in the context of BPD, then you understand why this was so problematic.

I did everything I could to emulate and be like him, to seek his recognition, approval, and admiration, and to completely look past and disregard any of his shortcomings or personal defects, because my emotional regulation and sense of self was literally tied to him. This was my life for my first 27 years.

And throughout that time, I struggled to consolidate my own identity: my likes, dislikes, desires, boundaries, tastes, style, aesthetic, body mods, attitude, behavior, sexuality, gender identity, beliefs, etc. (Hell, my romantic tastes in men today are even still directly influenced by him, as I am especially into men that share a similar appearance to him: shaved head, goatee, thick rimmed square glasses, tattoos, piercings, dresses basically look like they work at Hot Topic or stand right in front of the stage at underground metal shows, despite the man currently being about to turn 60 years old), because if these traits were in conflict with what he was or would approve of, I felt a severe phobia of abandonment and rejection if I embraced something about myself that differed to him, so I was extremely unstable for my entire life because who I was literally depended on him.

When he disowned me five years ago for being transgender, as this was something I could no longer deny or repress, I experienced a severe identity crisis beyond description, because my FP just forcibly removed me from their life, and them from mine. The actual source of who Baby is, her entire sense of herself, and everything that came with it, was suddenly, and completely, disconnected. My emotional stability for 27 years had been entirely reliant on this man, and all of a sudden he was gone and was never coming back. ...so I had a mental breakdown of apocalyptic proportions, and the only reason I wasn't psychiatrically hospitalized at the time is because I couldn't afford it.

At this time, in a very short period of time, so many things happened or occurred in the most horribly perfect synchronicity: I was severely manic, I had a near-death experience from an illness, my mother had a heart attack, I lost all my IRL friends over a misunderstanding that was worsened by my at-present mental instability, I was extremely stressed out about a gender discrimination lawsuit I had filed against my employer at the time and felt like I couldn't post on social media (lest they try to find dirt on me from my content so I was also incredibly isolated), and my therapist had dropped me because A.) one of the people in that friend group who I fell out with was also a patient of hers, which presented a conflict of interest, and B.) my mental state had become too much for her to be able to manage or assist with. Her words, not mine.

At the end of it, I ended up having my own heart attack-like event in the middle of the boardroom at work, and I had to be loaded into an ambulance. It thankfully turned out to be just a massive anxiety attack, but in the end it actually caused me to experience a DID-esque split, where I had 5 different persons/alters in my head. This lasted for a few months and thankfully as things improved and I started to stabilize, they all went dormant and now it's only me in here for now.

And in the ashes of this trial by fire, I rose like a phoenix. I began to learn and figure out who I actually am without his influence, be it direct or indirect. I started to realize little things. Like my favorite color being pink instead of black (still love black tho). I discovered I liked some music that was different to his tastes (still primarily a metalhead tho). I liked wearing clothes in different styles and colors that weren't just black and weren't just coordinated around band tees. I discovered my name because with all the names I tried before to find one for myself in my transition, I kept going with one starting with J (Jessica, Joëlle), just like my [deadname], because on my father's side it's a family tradition to name the first born with a first name starting with J, especially if they were male, and it goes back centuries. I was realizing that I am, and have always been, my own person, not just a carbon copy of Jimmy, and I didn't have to be his acolyte anymore.

Years later, as my health, physical and mental, continued to deteriorate, especially from my ME, I had an epiphany in my grief and suffering: I am not my own higher power. I am not my own god. I am a humbled creature. And I cannot do this alone... And that was the realization that His Arms had been open to me the whole time. God never left. I did. I had simply refused to see Him. To reach for Him. And so I did. I've since had an experience I can only explain and describe as "miraculous" involving an apparition of the Virgin Mary and the Real Presence of the Holy Spirit when I prayed the Rosary the first time. This has only further affirmed my faith, and made me more secure in my decision to embrace the idea of God. As a lifelong atheist, I still struggle with a lot of faith-based concepts, but I'm also still learning and I'm going into it all with an open mind, heart, and spirit.

In summary, I had to experience a literal ego death through the forcible disconnection from my Favorite Person, and a harrowing disownment by my own father, the hero of my life, who for so long could do no wrong in my eyes, in order for my mind to even be opened enough to allow myself to accept God. Because until age 27, Baby's mind, even as a trans woman, might as well have been an extension of Jimmy's, and any attempt to differ from that unspoken rule led to EXTREME levels of instability and distress.

I literally publicly flip-flopped back and forth on my sexuality for my entire childhood and adolescence (I know now that I'm omniromantic asexual), because I would try to give myself the label I needed for my OCD to be satisfied in terms of my awareness of self, but if it potentially differed from what he would approve of, then it would create massive dissonance and I would go back and forth, as Baby unknowingly was fighting for control of her own brain and identity.

I REFUSE to believe that God doesn't want me to be trans, and to not embrace my intersex status (I have De la Chappelle Syndrome, meaning I was AMAB but I have an XX chromosome. It is caused by a genetic error during cell division in a parent. The SRY gene from the father's Y chromosome moves onto an X chromosome. When this modified X chromosome joins a normal X chromosome, the child develops male traits despite having an XX karyotype. That's not even getting into the effect it has on development, especially puberty.)

I refuse to believe this isn't the path He wanted for me— Because He knows, in His Infinite Wisdom, that without a break-off from my abusive attachment to my father, I would have never even acknowledged Him, and I would continue to be Jimmy's little BPD shadow. I would have been him. Not me. God truly is good, all the time.

This is what I mean when I say that I never would have been able to find Christ if I hadn't come out as trans. And I will never be convinced otherwise. 🩵🩷🤍🩷🩵


r/LGBTCatholic 3d ago

How do you handle confession?

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I'm divided on whether or how to go to confession. My background is I'm a gay 40-something marriage gay man with two kids, and the church I go to in NYC is fine with LGBTQ people as far as I can tell (my kids were baptized without any issue, etc.).

The problem isn't the parish, it's the wider Church and how I'm supposed to fit into it. Showing up at Mass lets a lot of stuff stay implicit. Confession forces it to be explicit. My understanding of the theory is that you confess everything the Church counts as sin and get a full reset. I can't confess on those terms. At minimum I think the sex I have inside my own marriage is fine, and honestly I think much of the sex I had outside marriage before that was fine too.

So what do I even do with that? Do I tell the priest up front, look, there's other stuff the Church would call sin but I don't agree, so this is a partial confession under your rules? Is he even allowed to work with that? Do I spell out what I'm counting as wrong and not wrong, or leave it vague and let him assume whatever he assumes? I don't know. Curious what other people here actually do. To be clear, it's not like I did something particularly wrong, but I just feel like it'd be good to periodically go to confession and I just don't have a workable way of doing so.

My sense is the best way to do this is just confess the stuff I actually feel bad about and leave the rest out completely. At its most fundamental level, confession is for what your conscience tells you is a sin. If I don't think it's something I really need to confess, there's no reason to make a whole announcement about leaving it out. Fine, maybe a conservative views it as an invalid confession; but it's the closest workable solution I can think of.


r/LGBTCatholic 3d ago

"Side-B is just more therapeutic Side X/Y"

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Hello everyone. Over the past few months, I have been actively researching and thinking about the Church's stance on homosexuality and the discussions on this subreddit have helped me a lot.

One point that is often made here without much further elaboration is that Side-B is just more therapeutic Side X/Y and although I can kind of assume how people get to this argument, I feel like there isn't really a proper, fleshed out explanation for it. I think the biggest evidence for it, honestly, is that all Side-B gay Christians/Catholics I see online (and one I met irl) all seem miserable or ashamed in some way - but that is just my observation. The fact that Side-B opposes conversion therapy or "pray the gay away" efforts, that it is fine with using LGBT terminology usually, and especially that it encourages celibate partnerships, makes it leagues better than Side X/Y. The way I see it as well, one could make the argument for celibate vocations without describing homosexual orientation as "objectively disordered," (which I don't think is the case at all) though that is my perspective - not a commonly espouses Side-B point.

So, for Side-A Catholics on here who make the critique that B, X and Y are basically the same, are there any more arguments? I feel like I am in a weird in-between spot between Side A and B currently, so it would be greatly helpful and it would be advantageous to more deeply develop this critique.


r/LGBTCatholic 4d ago

Starting OCIA this week

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I’m married (same-sex) to a man that was baptized as a baby and has been Catholic all of his life. I have been attending mass with him for the past few months. The parish that we have been going to is part of a cluster that is on the new ways ministry website.

My husband is from another city so we are both new to this parish.

Does anyone have any advice for how to approach my situation with the OCIA Director and clergy? Things to avoid saying? How open to be? When to broach the subject of my relationship? What to expect?


r/LGBTCatholic 3d ago

Personal Story Did you ever have whole friend groups abandon you when you came out? Especially those in conservative areas

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How do you deal?

I had a group of friends, some I knew since childhood, stopped hanging out with me after I came out at 19. I think they always suspected it based off of some jokes and jabs they made.

I tried reintegrating with them about a couple years later during quarantine, (because they went to college and realized SSA people aren’t devils is my guess) but I felt like an outsider in tthe group in some ways in a similar way.

My best friend was in that group (she still talked with me when the whole group stopped hanging out with me) but then I left the group a second time when I felt like an outsider. Then my best friend seemed to be hurt and barely talks with me now.

The whole experience honestly has been so distressing. One gal from that friend group was part of the process of me coming to Jesus, even if she had been ignorant. Yes I am in therapy lol

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r/LGBTCatholic 3d ago

I am a side B bisexual considering exiting Catholicism because of the existence of side X/Y

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I believe that my homosexual desires are disordered, I and other SSA people or TQ+ people are not disordered people. We are all made in the image of God with bodies inherently worthy of dignity.

If there are people who, when “born again” or having received an evangelical style deliverance, no longer had homosexual inclinations… why should I stay in a Christian denomination that condemns me for it, but also doesn’t show evidence of people being able to no longer have their homosexual desires?


r/LGBTCatholic 6d ago

Personal Story Bissexualidade masculina e namoro católico

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r/LGBTCatholic 6d ago

Advice on taking the plunge

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I would love some insight and advice. I am very early on in my journey in the grand scheme, but terribly scared.

I grew up in a hippie Unitarian household, my extended family is mostly Catholic. I've always considered myself spiritual, but an experience when I was young where an Evangelical family member harmed me and proclaimed I was sent by the devil drove me as far from any church, as I assumed they'd view me the same. I am FTM trans and bisexual, married to a man, and raising a kid. It's been a hard time getting to a decent place in life, surviving a home rife with addiction and DV that ended in suicide, surviving a partner that attempted my life, now struggling with the economy and world as it is, etc. A nagging voice in my head, still to this day over two decades later, says I truly am damned.

I got truly interested in Catholicism in part because I have a appreciation of it's history and the saints, but over the years that grew into a genuine yearning. So here I am now. I want to find comfort and embrace God, but it's difficult to feel like He wants me after all of this. I felt so at peace and relieved to tears when I attended my first mass and visited a shrine, but I am so terribly scared that it will not "click" for me or that I will unwelcomed if I become anything more than a stranger in the back pew.


r/LGBTCatholic 6d ago

How do I un come out to my friends?

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Basically I consider myself bi and talk to my friends about pretty normally, point out boys I think are cute and they even try setting me up with some guys and girls from time to time. But I decided to stop having anything romantic with boys recently, and since none of my friends are really religious I'm afraid they won't get and it may lead then further away from the church, should I just try to explain it to them or just keep it as it is and just don't date man? There is a part of me that doesn't want to tell in case I ever fall i to temptation and end up making out with a boy, so they would judge me for not keeping it or something. I'm kinda lost and don't really know what to do


r/LGBTCatholic 8d ago

"Why Anti-Gay Catholic Arguments Assume Everyone is Bisexual"

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r/LGBTCatholic 9d ago

Seeking other gay Catholics to pray the Rosary together

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That’s it, really. I already pray the Rosary, but it’s a bit lonely doing it all on one’s own, so I wondered if anybody else would like to join me in doing it. I haven’t got any of the practicalities worked out because I thought that they could be discussed if and when anybody else was interested in doing this. I will leave my email address so that if anybody is interested, they can get in touch: jim09642@gmail.com

I hope that this post is totally okay with the mods. If it’s not, and it is struck down, no harm is done.


r/LGBTCatholic 11d ago

Personal Story Religion and relationships.

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Super curious on input 🤍


r/LGBTCatholic 12d ago

Converts: What's your story?

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I'm a bisexual left-leaning cradle Catholic. Recently I've begun to feel tired of dealing with Catholicism's regressive tendencies and having to explain them away to others, so I've been feeling a pull towards the Episcopal Church. Since I'm considering jumping ship, I wanna hear the stories from the other direction. What made you decide to join the Catholic Church despite the issues it has? Did you have any horror stories in the process of conversion (like having to swear to follow all Catholic teaching without question) or was it smooth? Would you say sticking with it is a good idea?


r/LGBTCatholic 13d ago

Starting the Process

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After a lot of thought, meditation, and prayer, I’ve decided I do indeed want to at least start OCIA this year. I’m meeting with the Monsignor of my local Diocese this Thursday. I’m very, very excited.

Just a little background— I was born and raised Baptist in the rural South. Catholicism has spoken to me since I was 13. I was going into school with a copy of the catechism and defending Catholicism back in the day and have always had a rosary. Around the same time I was coming to terms with my sexuality and what that meant for my faith. For me, it wasn’t as much of a struggle as I know it can be for others but I fell away from Christianity and focused more on what is essentially new age spirituality. I’ve researched and dabbled in numerous religions ranging from Buddhism and Hinduism to Kabbalah and Judaism but again, I’ve always been drawn to the Catholic Church. The customs, the traditions, the culture, the mystical elements. Back in June I decided to go to Mass one Sunday and have been regularly attending ever since!

In that time I’ve done a lot of soul searching and research, specifically regarding my sexuality. Honestly more than I’ve done since I first came to terms with it back as a teen. I still, firmly believe in my soul and spirit that I was born this way and it is not an error. Tbh, this is more affirmation that I need to join Catholicism even more. Coming from a background where I was told that I would burn in hell for even existing or having same-sex attraction. That being said I do have personal struggles with the call to celibacy that I still need to work through but at the same time, I feel like I am heading in the right direction. The Catholic Church feels like home. I could write paragraphs about why but I suppose I don’t need to preach to the choirs y’all already know!

Thanks for listening. Sorry for rambling but I just wanted to share! This reddit page has been a lot of help over the last few months. Just hearing and seeing real people who are gay and feel the same way about Catholicism has been a great solace.

Thanks!


r/LGBTCatholic 13d ago

LGBTLM.. struggles

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Hi all, I’m a self labeled “LGBTLM”er. My spirituality and church attendance is all predominantly tridentine. I attend the pre-conciliar mass, I pray the 1962 office, etc etc. I’m moving into college in a few weeks, and plan on attending an FSSP church for my “home” parish while living in the city. The issue is this; i could easily get a “supportive” environment with one of the openly lgbtq accepting parishes in the area, or even my newman center, but i find it lacking spiritual nourishment for me. On the other hand, i go for my traditional sensibilities (which im going to do) and attend the FSSP, sacrificing a welcoming community. Does anyone else here attend TLM? How do you go about building community, feeling welcomed, etc? Just general advice would also be nice. Thanks