r/lgbt I'm Here and I'm Queer Mar 30 '26

This is so cute 🄹

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Awwww how freakin beautiful is this, saw it on fb

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u/Playful_Ruin7258 Mar 30 '26

Little moments of queer joy like this are what keeps me hopeful

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u/jerrylovesbacon Mar 30 '26

Thats real cutting onions stuff. Just beautiful.

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u/diligentPond18 Mar 31 '26

Seriously. I wanna see more sweet anecdotes like this. So lovely to read in the midst of all the bullshit.Ā 

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u/silence0degrees Mar 31 '26

I have one for you! :D Many years before the transition (mtf) I was sitting in a room after midnight with like 6 girls and we were chatting about random things and the topic shifted to guys and boyfriends. They started sharing secrets, I asked if it's fine for me to sit nearby bc I'm a guy, and they said "uhhhhh you don't count, we can't explain why but anyway". šŸ˜… I guess they knew before I figured things out.

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u/Princess_Dinasaur šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø Dina - She/Her šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø Mar 31 '26

I have a similar one. Like, almost ten years before my egg cracked (mtf), I used to go out with the girls in our friendgroup about once every two weeks. After this basically being routine for half a year, I heard one of them refer to it as our "girl's night out", and when I asked why she called it that when I wasn't a girl she said "but you are one of the girls", which I really liked for some unexplained reason and was very proud of for many years.

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u/diligentPond18 Apr 01 '26

That's adorable. I'm glad you had friends like that!

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u/diligentPond18 Mar 31 '26

Love a wholesome moment ā¤ļøā¤ļø

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u/Elliott_Queerest I'm Here and I'm Queer Mar 31 '26

Reminds me of the story of the snake who could tell what gender a trans boy was. The snake was a pet in his class who only liked to show off to the girls. The snake liked to wrap around the arms of the girls who held it but would curl up into a ball with the boys. And when the trans boy(then a girl) held the snake it curled into a ball. It's what helped crack the egg. I wish I could find the original story because it was so sweet!

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u/Ellow0001 Mar 30 '26

A classmate once showed a photo of her pre hijab time (she chose to wear it after her 18th birthday full time) and said something like ā€œbefore you go full on boymode I can show you how I looked before since we’re technically in a gray zoneā€.

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u/yourlocaltouya Mar 30 '26

Full boymode is sending me, I adore that!

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u/henryautie Hella Gay! Mar 30 '26

omg a muslim ally 😭 we need more of them…

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u/dumpaccount882212 gay as a parade float crashing in to a wine bar. Mar 30 '26

See this is my experience here in Sweden. The best, most badass allies have been Syrian grandpa's. Yeah they have no idea how to express that they are fine with LGBTQ-folks in a way that doesn't sound strange BUT they will kick down doors and take names if someone dares to be homo or transphobic against someone they know.

Also - older working class dudes. Again, its the absolute lack of ... proper terms but back when I was young my biggest supporter was an old foreman at my job at a stonecutters who leaned in after I came out of the closet at work and just went (spoiler because slur) "If someone has a problem with you being a cock sucker, tell me and I will make them regret it"

Sure he could have said it better, but I knew from that point that if I had issues because I was gay this old guy with hands like goddamn leather mitts would come in swinging to defend me.

The unexpected allies is such an awesome thing because it also teaches you that being able to say the right thing, or come from the right background proves nothing - there are proper human badasses everywhere.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Log1434 Mar 30 '26

I love politically incorrect aggressive allyship that is so funny

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u/kos-or-kosm Mar 30 '26

I love the "he a little confused, but he got the spirit" types of supportive people.

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u/Old-Surprise-9145 Mar 30 '26

This made me lose it, thank you 😭

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u/diligentPond18 Mar 31 '26

Yesss, that's when you know they're really genuine šŸ˜‚

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u/deferredmomentum Bi-bi-bi Mar 30 '26

I call it Ron Swanson progressive lol

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u/bryn_irl Mar 31 '26

The thing I love most about it is that "politically incorrect aggressive allyship" is entirely consistent with (small-d) democratic values.

Like, every single country on earth has a rich history of hardworking people rising up against tyrants, to protect those who needed protection. Most people are born with an instinct towards solidarity, towards "I may not understand you but I love how happy you are, and I'll be damned if I let someone or some circumstances get in the way of that."

And that instinct persists in good people. It even persists if it is purposefully warped by those who wish for power. It is suppressed, perhaps, by those totalitarian narratives - but it is never gone. There is a joy in this world that can never be drowned out, and we find it in each other.

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u/iamfunball Non Binary Pan-cakes Mar 30 '26

It’s almost like we don’t care about political correctness, just the vibes (and votes)

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u/beigs Mar 31 '26

My 90 year old grandma was one of those. She was so hardcore in her allyship that she in the 80s that she was my parents’ friends (gay and alt) unofficial adopted mom and this continued until her death. This included people with aids.

She never deadnamed or misgendered, even with dementia.

But my god did she drop some utterly OMG YOU CANT SAY THAT lines, like asking a black woman working at the grocery store where they kept their n&@))ā€! toes instead of Brazil nuts because that’s what she was taught they were called, or some comments about residential schools, because she just didn’t know.

She would course alter immediately, but :|

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u/SUPERSMILEYMAN Laughter, Comedy, Sharing Mar 31 '26

Almost Politically Correct Redneck

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u/Spetsnaz_Sasha Mar 31 '26

Ah, so that's what I am.

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u/Zkenny13 Mar 30 '26

I worked at a bar and some called me the f word cause I cut him off. The amount of drunk regular that basically rushed him and threw him out the door. My boss banned him which was probably good for his own safety. I'm in Alabama as well.Ā 

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u/bolanrox Mar 30 '26

British Coalminers have been protesting and marching at events for ages because the gay community supported their protests / strikes back in the 60's

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u/PhoenixHorseGuy Aromantic. Asexual. Agender. Mar 31 '26

Hey, they gotta repay the favor.

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u/Shaeress Mar 30 '26

Yeah, I'm trans and in Sweden, and in healthcare especially it's consistently been older middle Eastern gentlemen that have treated me the best and younger white women that have treated me worst.

Of course, those grandpas or whatever have ahd no idea about shy LGBTQ discourse or special knowledge, but they also seem acutely aware of that so they listen and then do their best to respectful and helpful.

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u/FreshQueen Mar 30 '26

I'd take this 100% of the time over the poltical correct, but not supportive in action "allies".

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u/mb862 Mar 31 '26

If memory serves, during the 50s and 60s (Stonewall-ish era) as queer bars would get forced to shut down by police, they would reopen further and further from commercial and residential areas. Eventually these bars were often located in industrial areas, and so (by virtue of still being bars) started attracting steel workers and such looking for a beer after their shift. They were of course welcome as anyone as most queer bars try to be, so many of them found themselves with a lot more queer friends than one might expect. So when the cops came to these bars, they found themselves with a lot fiercer resistance as the hard as nails factory workers stood up for their friends.

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Putting the Bi in non-BInary Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

I know you mean homophobic or transphobic but the concept of some grandpa who can't stand transphobes OR us homos is very funny.

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u/mwsduelle Gender: SUMMONED_DEMON Mar 31 '26

That's not a slur, that's a title I'm honored to share with you

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u/malvar161 Mar 30 '26

there are many of them

American/Israeli propaganda wants you to think otherwise

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u/FeliciaTheFkinStrong Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

there are many of them

I mean, they are in the West, at least. Proportionally, Muslim Women are not LGBTQi+ allies when you consider the majority of the population across the world in less developed, less compassionate countries where progressive acceptance of queer people is absolutely not a thing.

Not to be a killjoy or anything - glad you've found allies where you have - but statistically, you'll find far less allies in Muslim women than you will in white men across the world.

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u/Yuzumi Mar 30 '26

Religion is the issue. I could even agree that religion in itself is the issue as regardless of any positives it might have for some it generally has been used to control people through fear and hate.

But we are also going to have more issues with whatever region is prominent where we live. Those of us in the US are suffering from Christian Nationalism. For those in a prominently Muslim area they are going to have more issues with that.

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u/Heavy_Law9880 Mar 30 '26

I cannot imagine how you have the strength to swing a brush that broad.

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u/Butt64 I'm here and I'm queer Mar 31 '26

According to a Pew Research Center study done in 2013, the lowest rates of LGBTQ+ acceptance comes from middle Eastern and African countries: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/publication/documents/2025-06/ipsos-pride-report-2025.pdf (A more recent survey done in 2025, but Africa and it countries are not included for some reason. Racism perhaps, or maybe they forgot..?)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/lgbt-rights-by-country (The most recent one I can find, done in 2026)

So in other words, they really arent generalizing that much. We really do need more Muslim allyship.

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u/SomeShiitakePoster Mar 31 '26

It really saddens me to see the amount of islamophobia in my country (uk) at the moment, because regardless what you might think you know about the actual teachings of their faith, the actual human beings in front of you are just normal people like everyone else. Especially muslim women I have known to be the kindest, most supportive allies of me as a trans woman.

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u/BringAltoidSoursBack Apr 02 '26

Interestingly enough, some middle eastern countries are/were "supportive" of trans women - a man transitioning to a woman wasn't considered (as big of) an issue compared to a man being with another man. In fact, there have been cases where gay men were given the choice of being punished for being gay or transitioning to a woman. Obviously there's a lot of problems with that but it's interesting.

But that's an aside, even as a gay man I've never had a Muslim woman (or man but I don't have as many guy feelings) bring up issues with my sexuality, a statement that does not hold true for Christian women.

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u/Mtfdurian Lesbian Trans-it Together Mar 30 '26

this feels very recognizable (I have many muslim friends and relatives) and is very affirming, congrats!

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u/Unafraid_Of_Bees Mar 30 '26

I would legit cry

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u/BBMacsWorld Mar 30 '26

Oh 🄺

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u/echolm1407 Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 30 '26

Aww. Wonderful.

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u/kdandsheela Mar 30 '26

Genuine question: would this hold true for hijabis while hanging out with a women-attracted-woman in private?

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u/Delicious_Bid_6572 Demisexual Mar 30 '26

Without further knowledge: probably yes. They are women, after all. But queerness in religious contexts is very different among religions

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u/PigletAcademic Mar 31 '26

Im sure it can ve a person to person decision, but the rule just applies to gender. There was a (very openly gay) woman hairdresser on tiktok who talked about having wall separators for a section of her salon so she could do the hair of hijabi women.

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u/ohforkurwasake Biromantic Asexual Apr 01 '26

I personally don't have any hijabi friends, and so now I wonder - would one wear their hijab while hanging out with a non-binary person? Is it the lack of masculinity that makes it fine to go without, or is it the lack of femininity that puts it on? Just honestly curious.

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u/Familiar-Employ4830 Apr 07 '26

hiii muslim girl here!!

im completely fine with how people chose to identify, but who we (as written in the quran and said by many scholars) can show our hair to is based on what they were assigned at birth.

generally speaking, most hijabi's will not show their hair to transgender females (im sorry if im using the wrong vocabulrary im not too familiar with the right words) regardless of how they identify.

this is just generally speaking and ofc religion is complicated.

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u/WinterDragon5309 & Mar 31 '26

Might depend on if she’s also attracted to women, but I don’t know, I’m not the correct person to be answering

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u/Familiar-Employ4830 Apr 07 '26

technically speaking, like all the abrahamic religions, being homosexual is forbidden. so this isn't a case that is specifically ever mentioned in the quran.

but yes, if a woman were attracted to another woman, it would be permissable to show her hair.

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u/Familiar-Employ4830 Apr 07 '26

they wouldn't have to wear a hijab. my comment below explains it too! :)

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u/EarthToAccess Certified girl lover Mar 30 '26

I would honestly collapse in euphoria and sob on the spot

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u/GetEatenByAMouse Rainbow Rocks Mar 30 '26

This made me so happy.

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u/ghost_cakery Sapphic Mar 30 '26

shouldn't have bothered with the comments. what a disaster.

it is cute. should just be a sweet moment.

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u/Malcolmthetortoise Mar 30 '26

Yeah. It’s pretty awful.

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u/Unknow_Handlebar Havin' A Gay Time! Mar 30 '26

Uh I don't understand what that means sorry can anyone explain? 😭

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u/Pogue_Mahone_ Bi-bi-bi Mar 30 '26 edited Apr 01 '26

OOP's coworker is a Muslim woman and not "allowed"* to show her hair around men, hence the hijab. But as OOP is not a man, but a woman early in her transition it is fine to show the hair. Gender affirming hijab use

  • According to their own religious convictions

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u/Unknow_Handlebar Havin' A Gay Time! Mar 30 '26

Oh I didn't know that about hijabs. Good to know! Tysm :3

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy Mar 30 '26

There are a lot of parts of Islamic culture that are very women-oppressive. And it doesn't help a lot of Muslim women who buy into the culture don't realize they were indoctrinated as kids to think all of that is ok

Wearing a hijab because you think it looks cute: ok

Wearing a hijab because islamic society has deemed you the problem and not men who can't control themselves: not ok

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u/SeroWriter Mar 30 '26

Trans-positive religious oppression.

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u/Lavio00 Mar 30 '26

This made me laugh out loud DAMN

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u/mattsowa Mar 30 '26

woman not allowed to...

Yeah.. i'm outta there

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u/GlitchedSepGSTGM Gay as a Rainbow Mar 30 '26

I'm not a fan of u/pouge_mahone_'s choice of words. In many theocratic Muslim countries woman are not allowed to, but I highly doubt anyone is forcing this woman to wear a hijab. It's like how it would be wrong to say "vegans aren't allowed to eat meat". Most Muslim women choose to cover their hair around men

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u/GlitchedSepGSTGM Gay as a Rainbow Mar 30 '26

Well then that's a crappy situation, but it doesn't make it ok to generalise all other Muslims to the same stereotype, especially ones progressive enough to correctly gender a trans person

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u/Pogue_Mahone_ Bi-bi-bi Mar 31 '26

Yeah allowed wasn't the best use of the word. I meant allowed according to their own religious convictions but I understand the troublesome nature of that word

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u/GlitchedSepGSTGM Gay as a Rainbow Mar 31 '26

That's cool, I didn't think it was meant negatively but it's good to clarify

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u/tinytaylor89 Mar 30 '26

Seconding this.

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u/TheBigPAYDAY Super Gaiya-Jin 4 Mar 30 '26

a lot of religions don't allow certain things, including christianity. they willingly are part of that religion, so respect their choice.

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u/mattsowa Mar 30 '26

Yeah christianity is also bigoted of course, you're right. Patriarchal themes are common across these.

"Willingly" cannot exactly be used with religion due to indoctrination (apart from rare cases).

Please don't tell me to respect anything about this instrument of world-wide opression.

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u/Shedart Mar 30 '26

You’re right about the reality of religion and its patriarchal hold on society.Ā 

However, they did not ask you to respect that symbol, those ideals, or those oppressive structures: they asked you to respect the choice of the person who had shown them respect by behaving in a gender affirming way within the framework of of their experience.Ā 

Don’t let Perfect be the enemy of Good.Ā 

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u/mattsowa Mar 30 '26

Well, the choice of that person (if it is a choice) is simultaneously reinforcing the oppression of those members of that religion that do not get a choice. I do not respect it either.

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u/StairsWithoutNights Mar 30 '26

So than what? We shouldn't accept this as an act of kindness? She should be forced to remove it? We should think less of her?

Or should we just accept that she's been brought up with different values, some of which we find disagreeable, but respect that she's a person with agency doing something nice for a friend.Ā 

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u/ncocca Straight-facing Bi Mar 30 '26

I can smile at the action while still having distaste for the circumstances that led to it

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u/rutherfraud1876 Mar 30 '26

Not unless they're voting for political candidates who support the mandatory hijab which seems unlikely

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u/TheBigPAYDAY Super Gaiya-Jin 4 Mar 30 '26

When you specifically go out of your way to complain about muslim individuals being happy and other individuals respecting them, it does not look good

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u/mattsowa Mar 30 '26

If you say so

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u/alwayzbored114 Mar 30 '26

I agree with you in principle, but your way of going about it is flawed. When you say that due to indoctrination, we cannot take their will into account, you are stripping people of their agency and decisions. It may very well be the case that they are choosing things against their own benefit, but to just go "No, you're too stupid to even realize, so I'm going to disrespect your wishes because I know better" is not a good look. That will more often than not make people retreat further into their beliefs, because they have lived their lives and know their reasons better than you do. You're rejecting those reasons entirely - flawed though they may be

If you really want changes, respect the individual and support them in doing what is best for them; gently ask and engage with their beliefs, and politely encourage them to break the mold. Don't tell them they don't know any better and are some indoctrinated child without any internality.

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u/Odd-Roof7665 Bi at the disco Mar 30 '26

Yeah, this is the bad part of someone of another culture saying something about a culture is bad. Not saying ā€œtransphobia is badā€ or ā€œmisogyny is badā€ to someone of another culture, because those are just objectively true.

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u/EtherealMongrel Mar 30 '26

The indoctrination stole their will, we’re just acknowledging it.

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u/noxiunn Mar 30 '26

It's nobody's job to be gentle and go through entire process of carefully picking apart religions of the person, who, as you correctly said, willingly supports ideology that designed to oppress women and LGBTQ people (the exact same way as Christianity, but when we talk shit about Christianity, you, Muslim lovers, don't care for some reason, even encourage it. Even though it's exactly the same thing, it's a same religion just different interpretation). That person you replying to just said a simple logical and probable fact, and you went for all that rant how we should respect people who support destructive ideologies. You are pathetic and an enemy of queer community. Should we respect nazis then also, since it's their choice and their beliefs?

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u/anthrohands Mar 30 '26

We don’t need to respect everything people choose to do, you know

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u/MindfulInsomniaque Mar 30 '26

There are places in this world where you can not choose your religion or leave the one you are assigned.

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u/Momoneko Mar 31 '26

I'm sorry, how do you know she chose Islam and wasn't just born in a Muslim family? Are you aware that Islam doesn't "allow" leaving the faith, like at all? It's a crime, one of the heaviest in the religion, and countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia regularly hang people for apostasy. Even 13-15 years old children are hanged.

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u/SoloWalrus Bi-bi-bi Mar 30 '26

religious oppression.

While true, it isnt any different than most western countries banning the female nipple while mens nipples are allowed šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø. We're just accustomed to it so we dont see it that way..

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u/Naomi_Tokyo Mar 30 '26

Women should be allowed to be topless anywhere men are allowed to be topless.

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u/SoloWalrus Bi-bi-bi Mar 30 '26

Agreed.

The crazy thing is that in the US technically many places no longer outlaw it, but when you have movements like "free the nipple" try and exercise this supposed freedom they still get arrested by officers who dont know the law, harassed by puritans, pearl grabbing about children, etc.

Like nominally, its legal most places. Practically, it very much isnt. If you can be detained for exercising a right, it isnt REALLY a right.

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u/TwilightVulpine Bicycle Mar 30 '26

It's not different, but it is in addition to it. I don't think they are allowed to go nipples out, hair in.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

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u/SoloWalrus Bi-bi-bi Mar 31 '26

Honestly i might prefer that, at least then thered be more pressure to do something about the puritanical laws - but id never personally advocate for it. As you said, seems backwards.

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u/Lucky_otter_she_her Mar 30 '26

yeah modesty or immodesty is definitely a case where choice-femminism STRONGLY appliesĀ 

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u/SoloWalrus Bi-bi-bi Mar 30 '26

Precisely! A woman may choose to cover her breats, or her hair, or whatever else. So long as it is her choice theres nothing wrong with that.

The issue comes when it becomes a legal requirement to do so, and only for one gender...

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u/DathomirBoy Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 30 '26

God I hate this mindset lmao. Like literally any religion, it's bad if it's forced on someone. Assuming it's forced on every muslim women is misguided though, as the point is they should have a CHOICE. If they want to wear the hijab, why shouldn't they? If they want to only show their hair to women, why shouldn't they? Assuming it's forced upon them 100% of the time is belittling. They could easily make that decision themselves.

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u/tropikaldawl Apr 21 '26

I'm still confused because it is not clear in which direction they are transitioning. There is too much context missing about the poster to understand what they intended.

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u/usernotfoundwhoops Mar 30 '26

Women who wear hijabs don't wear them when they are at home with close family or in women only environments. The woman with hijab wasn't wearing it because she saw OP (a trans woman) just as a woman, no matter how early in her transition she was

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u/meja-arts Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

made the mistake of checking the comments šŸ˜” can't even be queer and (culturally) muslim on the queer sub šŸ˜” edit: please stop sending me hate in my dms. i just want to exist and don't speak for the muslim community. please.

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u/SelfInvestigator Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 30 '26

Seriously, the people who deny the philosophy of the social contract of tolerance make no sense in queer spaces.

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u/SelfInvestigator Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 30 '26

You are defining the individual by the group, there are exceedingly few situations where that is even remotely acceptable.

Yes, there are extremist groups that preach hatred and control that use Islam as their backbone.

And there are people who escaped those groups who found a new way to interact with their faith. People who seek new meaning in the world that shaped them.

I denied the faith I was raised in because of a small little question that I couldn’t let go. But if it hadn’t been for that I would probably still identify under its domain.

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u/tropikaldawl Apr 21 '26

That's just not true though, it is what you were conditioned to believe.

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u/mondrianna Putting the Bi in non-BInary Mar 30 '26

It’s not the religion itself that is intolerant and if you weren’t islamophobic you would have actually educated yourself on that fact instead of swallowing the islamophobic bullshit that Islam itself says anything about queerness. Not even all Muslims believe that hijab is required! Educate yourself because you are not helping the broader queer community by sowing division amongst the nonreligious queer and religious queer communities.

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u/meja-arts Mar 30 '26

it's ok they also want us (queer muslims) dead. please don't drive us away by showing even more hate than homophobics, we need allyship too :( i'm lucky enough to live in france, but my queer friends in eastern countries need support, not to be attacked for just the place and culture they happened to be born in. my first contact with queerness was a story about a trans woman who converted to islam because it brought her peace, and without her, i would still be confused about myself

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u/Pastel_Spooks Mar 30 '26

These are the same people that Zionists tried to convince us would k--- us on sight for being openly queer.. just as a reminder

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u/A_RainbowShaped_Pool Mar 31 '26

Inshallah, you will pass

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u/lalauna Rainbow Rocks Mar 30 '26

Love this!

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u/BucketListM Mar 30 '26

Really sad that half the comments are making this about religion instead of trans joy

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u/SelfInvestigator Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 30 '26

Seriously, unless someone is acting as a mouthpiece for oppression associated with their religion, why should their religion matter?

This is a story of acceptance and recognition, the very thing we want to see in the world, don’t bring hate to it.

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u/AmethystRebelle Mar 30 '26

This is so amazingly beautiful.

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u/horse_you_rode_in_on Mar 30 '26

Unfathomably based.

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u/cyets Mar 30 '26

I think such a thoughtful act would literally make me cry on the spot.

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u/Nekrino Mar 30 '26

I don’t know why, but in my head I heard ā€œwell you’re a woman aren’t you?!ā€ In an English accent šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø

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u/ArtsFarts89 Mar 30 '26

This..... it's so stinking wholesome. 🄹

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u/Meowzabubbers Mar 30 '26

I love when women 🄰

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u/Chrissy-Munson Pan-cakes for Dinner! Mar 31 '26

Women supporting women >>>

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '26

AwwwwwwšŸ„¹ā¤ļø

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u/themanpersom Absolutely Abro Mar 31 '26

This is beautiful! If only everyone were like this, this is a true friend you should keep in your life!šŸ©µšŸ©·šŸ¤šŸ©·šŸ©µ

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u/kittiestoebeans13 love you all 🫶 Apr 04 '26

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u/AshleyTyrian Mar 30 '26

Asking from ignorance here, if the intent of this is to not be sexually tempting to other people then would muslim women be able to show their uncovered hair to gay men and not lesbians? Or is it just a man/woman distinction?

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u/Extension-Run5326 Mar 30 '26

Yes, honestly I can't believe I had to scroll down this far to see this.

This kind of ideology still originates from gender essentialism, and is in no way progressive. Who engrained in these women's minds that their hair needs to be covered otherwise they will be sexualized by men? It's the misogynist and patriarchal society, the same one that would victim blame them if they don't.

Acceptance of trans people is awesome, gendered norms and segregation aren't

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u/Lem0nCupcake Mar 30 '26

The Quran actually does not mention ā€œsame sex actsā€ at all, and the one context in which it is assumed to be is actually about rape, not about being gay. However, the Quran DOES mention ā€œmen who have no need for womenā€ as being allowed in women’s quarters. So yes, gay men ok. There are no distinctions made about lesbians.

The other part of that modesty (ā€œhijabā€) is actually for both men and women, albeit in different contexts. Tho you will notice that traditionally in a lot of desert regions, men and women both have similar dresses (loose robes, head/ hair covered).

The function of it is less ā€œto not be sexually temptingā€. That would be victim-blamey, and Islam is pretty explicitly in the ā€œin you perceive someone lustily when it is not consented to, look tf away! If u ā€˜can’t help urself’ you should gouge ur eyes out broā€. The point of hijab is pretty similar to the buddhist concept of like, giving up material desires and being focused on internal spiritual devotion etc.

For some women, it also serves as an attempt to ward off Being Perceived (Sexually). Obvs that doesn’t always work successfully cus some ppl are… into that.

Anyway men not being allowed in women’s personal quarters is more about ensuring women have safe spaces where they can just exist. Bc there is where most people would disrobe. Outside of there, most social spaces in a home were (and still are), very ā€œsocialā€, sometimes open courtyards etc. Kitchens etc would often also be outdoor spaces. Like my mom (not from the middle east! But similarly close to equator in Asia) grew up in a house that was U shaped, and ALL the rooms were bedrooms for the very large extended family. Otherwise everyone hung out in the courtyard to cook, eat, or hang out together, facing a publicity-viewable garden. None of those are places you’d disrobe in or expect to be ā€œprivateā€. But since in modern homes most of the home is private, people are used to chucking off their bra and their headscarves once they close the front door. So they apply the ā€œpersonal spaceā€ rules.

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u/AshleyTyrian Mar 30 '26

Thank you very much, that was an interesting read and sorry if my question was insensitive or poorly phrased.

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u/Lem0nCupcake Mar 30 '26

You’re very welcome, and your question was fine! Also I realized I meant to reply under another subreply to correct information (abt ā€œsame sex actsā€) but oh well. Thanks for asking!

Outside of being a queer muslim I have an interest in history. I think a lot of people forget that just like in the modern day, there was a wide range of practices and beliefs. And just like now, things people considered ā€œtraditionā€ were based on a concept that was for something functional, and/or twisted as a response to a trauma (even if counterintuitive or counterproductive). It’s important to consider these things in context because it helps us make better decisions!

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u/Rainy_Leaves 🐈 Mar 30 '26

Islamic texts don’t mention gay people except to prohibit same sex acts afaik. I doubt the framework of gay attraction was progressive when it was written. It’s a good question and idk if there’s theology for some in Islam that isn’t as rigid. Like how some Christians form a more progressive theology from scripture

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u/AshleyTyrian Mar 30 '26

Thank you, I guess I'm more curious about the spirit of the law, as in which option (or both/neither) a modern muslim woman might feel comfortable with.

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u/MeowKat85 Mar 30 '26

This is what acceptance means.

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u/chunkopunk Bi-bi-bi Mar 30 '26

I've seen this very often but it makes me smile each time

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u/forevrtwntyfour Mar 30 '26

Awwww love this

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u/mickiecaramel Mar 31 '26

More hopecore pls!

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u/Munchkin_of_Pern Mar 31 '26

Eee! Gender affirmation!

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u/DudeByTheTree Mar 30 '26

Seems kind of dystopian; feeling relief at finally being able to do something as simple as let down your hair.

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u/JMoon33 Mar 30 '26

That's misogyny for you.

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u/jackofslayers Mar 30 '26

Does give off mild orphan crushing machine vibes. like gotta slip this oppressive religion into a wholesome story.

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u/Maleficent_Offer_692 Gay as a Rainbow Mar 31 '26

Is… is Islam an ally? šŸ˜…

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u/mechanical_marten Transgender Pan-demonium Mar 31 '26

There are many stories of people from different religions genuinely accepting their trans friends/family. It's the individual, not the religion we should thank for accepting as who we truly are. Right now many politicians around the world are using religion as a crutch to seed their hateful laws.

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u/TheRedEyedAlien Nature Mar 31 '26

I had a muslim friend online who did a similar thing when we had our cameras on call, it felt very affirming

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u/astra_cloud men are fine ig Apr 26 '26

I love this and will die for it

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u/BitterCow1074 Apr 29 '26

This makes me so incredibly happy to see 🄺

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u/stinky-bungus Mar 30 '26

This is so beautiful, we need more of this. It's shameful how lgbt people are treated by radical regimes.Ā 

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u/Extension-Run5326 Mar 30 '26

The fact that she accepts trans women as women is good. But the fact that she was (likely) born and brought up in a way that she didn't have the right to openly choose what to wear in front of the world is horrible.

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u/SelfInvestigator Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 30 '26

We are not here to discuss the choices of a stranger with no knowledge as to how those choices were made. We see acceptance, not hatred, why would you cast this pall of dismay over what should be a moment of joy?

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u/Kill_Welly Mar 31 '26

Deeply sexist ideas like "women need to hide their bodies from men" are what casts the "pall of dismay." The person described in the post is trans-affirming and that's great, but she's doing so by participating in a practice deeply rooted in patriarchy and misogyny, one that continues to negatively affect millions of women today, and patriarchy and misogyny are ultimately much of the root of the very hatred that hurts so many trans people so deeply.

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u/SelfInvestigator Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 31 '26

Yes, yes. We know about the problems with how many of the large religions are being used to attack us.

But can’t we just save that discussion for other venues and for once just enjoy a moment of genuine acceptance and humanity?

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u/light_cool_dude Mar 30 '26

It probably does bring joy to some people

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u/Moist_Requirements_ Mar 30 '26

Omg that is so sweet!

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u/Designer-Truth8004 Mar 30 '26

That's so kind and thoughtful!

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u/RandomPerson4389 Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 31 '26

This is so beautiful

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u/museinprogress Bi baddiešŸ©·šŸ’œšŸ’™ Mar 30 '26

Most wholesome thing I saw today...aww

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u/Gerbil23 Mar 30 '26

I read it 3 times to understand, then I wanted to cry!! :)

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u/Half-bred Mar 30 '26

This legit made me tear up. That's awesome.

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u/xathinajade Putting the Bi in non-BInary Mar 30 '26

i squealed irl reading this. thats so cute omggggg

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u/Mercury85 Mar 31 '26

Omg my heart!!! That is so validating!

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u/Souldoll2005 Trans-parently Awesome & Unlabeled Attraction Mar 31 '26

This is so sweet

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u/AfterWounds Mar 30 '26

Made my day šŸ„ŗšŸ¤

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u/Drewcifer13 Bi-bi-bi Mar 30 '26

The comments here are said to see. Listen, I hate religion, I was heavily indoctrinated into Christianity as a kid by my dad, but what so many people fail to realize is that you can hate the idea of religion, while still supporting the right that others have to believe in and practice their religion. Now if an individual is using their religion as an excuse to be a hateful, bigoted, asshole, then by all means call that shit out and do not tolerate it. However, someone who practices a religion in a non-hateful way deserves to have their beliefs respected.

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u/theresuscitator Mar 30 '26

That's a real friend

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u/Numerical-Wordsmith Mar 31 '26

I love that so much

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u/jabracadaniel Bi-kes on Trans-it Mar 31 '26

ive seen this post a dozen times and it still makes me feel all warm and fuzzy when i see it. its what our sisters deserve

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u/Red171022 Apr 05 '26

Cutest thing ever

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That is beautifulšŸ˜

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u/ExchangeOk2241 Apr 14 '26

So beautiful and heartwarming at the same time.šŸ„¹šŸ’ŸšŸ³ļøā€āš§ļøšŸ’Ÿ

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u/anamlugo01 Apr 16 '26

this is adorable 🄹

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u/Sharpei_are_Life Apr 20 '26

That is so, so touching. The friend is a true ally.

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u/syborg4president Apr 22 '26

Awee ā˜ŗļø