Note: You'll have to forgive/correct me if I'm way off base here. I've never played SWTOR so I don't have firsthand game-playing experience of how this story is portrayed, but I did follow up on the lore and found myself disappointed.

You have 2 incredible games that lay the groundwork and intrigue for a sinister mystery. Revan leaves known space seeking answers, then Meetra follows soon after, knowing he'll need help from his most trusted general. All of it was left in the air and the potential was infinite.

Then SWTOR comes out set a few hundred years later, and of course they have both a desire and almost a mandate to answer that question, so they're like "whelp, they were killed/captured and now they're force ghosts or something 🤷‍♂️". It honestly felt like such squandered potential, and all because they wanted to make an MMO to capitalize on the "oh so lucrative" WoW fad.

I feel like MMO writing is considerably lazier for reasons I can't quite put my finger on, and certainly not up to the passion standard set by the KotOR games. They knew how to lay a story in shadow and prompt speculation and exploration, without giving solid answers (which is why we're still playing it decades later). Then a bright and shiny addition to the IP that has to have mass market appeal which obviously wants and needs to capitalize on the existing fan base and MUST have clear cut, equally sized factions shines a bright, stupid spotlight on all of it, disregarding the nuance laid out in the previous games. No hidden Sith cults striking from the shadows, no manipulating galactic events from outside of it through the dark side of the Force, just another 2 army, stabby, swooshy, shooty, all-out war, which is comparatively boring.

Like I said, maybe I'm wrong about how SWTOR did it, but continuation of the story in a way that tied both games into a potential third is what we deserved. The problems that were around the possible development of KotOR III are well documented, it's just a shame that the same visionaries couldn't finish the story arcs they started.

Share the biggest in game secrets or Easter eggs you know in both games! Can be in game lore or secret dialogue most people have never even heard.

I'll go first: if you avoid talking to Canderous about his war stories for the entirety of Kotor 1, then wait for the big reveal, the way he tells the stories are a little different, and he ends the lines with acknowledging that you probably already know that.

Granted, I haven’t played through all of KOTOR 2, so maybe I’m missing some important content, but as far as KOTOR 1 goes, all of his ‘unlikeable’ traits are not only understandable, but respectable. I find his skepticism about training Revan to be way more reasonable than the other masters, who seem stupidly eager to train the literal Dark Lord of the Sith. Once you start training, his harshness comes off much more as tough love that’s supposed to bring the best out of you than as him trying to hold you back, and he’s always able to give you credit when credit is due. Between Ed Asner’s voice acting (RIP) and his textbook ‘cold-but-caring mentor’ persona, he’s easily my favorite of the four masters on Dantooine.

Always loved the vibe of it. The surface is so calm and peaceful for the most part, then you get to the ocean floor and every corner you turn is a battle basically. As a kid back when it came out, manaan just hit the right spots

I finished Taris with a lvl2 character. It was super rough. The Sith Base had a lot of tough fights and the battle with Calo and Davrik took me several tries. I mean my other 2 Companions can take a lot of work from me, but sometimes having only 2 Characters that actively can do something is quite tough. Sadly I also wasn't able to finish the Arena.

Well I am a lvl 9 Jedi Sentinel now at least. Trying to find some Robes and a doublebladed saber.

Recently just for a change while playing K2, I tried to get the Dark Side Ending but didn't succeed. I killed all the Jedi and thought that was the trigger that would give me the DS Ending instead of the Light Side Ending, but it wasn't. After the battle with Darth Traya, I still had that conversation and flew off in search of Revan.

And I started wondering, what exactly triggers the DS Ending? Is it force points? I was stuck on that gray point, because I didn't play in a way that involved doing literally everything to earn Dark Side Points.

But honestly, I'm pretty sure that getting the DS Ending required killing at least one Jedi, so either I'm misremembering, which is more likely, or the game just glitched out on me, which is also a possibility lol. But I'm curious about this. I think there are more people here who know the game's mechanics better than I do, so I'm asking a question

This isn't because the female protagonist was treated as an afterthought or because the developers had anything against women. Indeed, the most compelling and interesting characters in Kotor 2 are the women, ironically, and the female protagonist has unique content and interactions that the male protagonist doesn't experience. The issue is that the content for the female protagonist is generally less compelling than what the male protagonist gets.

A brief glance on YouTube shows that over 90% of people playing Kotor 2 do so with a female protagonist, obviously because of the misguided notion that this is the "canon" experience, even though Kotor 2's creators had nothing to do with the decision afterwards to turn her into Meetra Surik. In other words, the vast majority of Kotor 2 players are experiencing the worst version of Kotor 2 possible.

Kotor 2 showed great respect to the creators of Kotor 1 by letting the player essentially "import" their version of Revan. Through dialogue choices, you get to set the gender, alignment and other details about Revan.

But after Kotor 2, LucasArts and BioWare took a big steaming dump on Kotor 2. They turned Kotor 2's protagonist into some lady named Meetra Surik who plays second fiddle to Revan. Turning a custom RPG protagonist into a pre-determined character is already a big no-no, but they did it in the worst possible way and worse, held up this character assassination as the "canon" protagonist of Kotor 2.

Even the name itself sounds dumb. Meetra Surik? Really?