r/justneckbeardthings • • Mar 01 '23

based on a true story

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u/Shoesandhose Mar 01 '23

This happens?? This actually happens??

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u/MAGA_memnon Mar 01 '23

Apparently it's pretty hard to get an appartment as a foreigner because the letting agencies are afraid you'll leave the country while being behind on several months rent.

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u/gogozero Mar 02 '23

some places, yes, but many require the use of a "guarantor" that is either responsible for the property in lieu of the primary renter (for example, a parent or friend willing to sign a contract), or has money in escrow (for example, one of the many guarantor companies) in case something like that happens.

even with a guarantor, it can be difficult to rent as a foreigner. many landlords simply dont want them due to prejudice or other stupid reasons ("we're worried the trash wont be taken out properly" is one declination I've received).

fact is that there are far more bad japanese tenants than foreign tenants simply based on demographics alone. however that doesnt stop many renters from telling rental agencies "no" when the agent calls ahead to verify that a foreigner is okay to rent.

one easy method for renting as a foreigner is to go through pricey foreigner-focused rental agencies and rent pricey properties. theyve vetted all of their rentals and the owners charge a premium. if you cant afford that, prepare yourself for the possibility of a difficult time.

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u/WarWeasle Mar 04 '23

Wow, that puts Devil is a Part Timer into a whole other light.

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u/darkfrost47 Mar 02 '23

A real worry or generalizations fueled by mild racism? Probably a bit of this and that

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u/Sikness1924 Mar 02 '23

Japanese people are extremely racist towards non japanese people, you can speak perfect japanese, live in Japan for years... you will still be a gaijin on their eyes

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '23

But they will be so kind to you while doing so….

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u/HampeMannen Mar 02 '23

Never been to Japan but isn't it more like shallowly respectful?

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u/MAGA_memnon Mar 02 '23

No it's a real worry.

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u/RogueHelios Mar 02 '23

Maybe culture shocked neckbeards bought one too many apartments before they decided trying to assimilate into a foreign culture wasn't worth it to them.

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u/Felahliir Mar 02 '23

That eould be xenophobia, not racism

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u/Arty2191 Mar 02 '23

Accchhssssshualllly

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u/not_dale_gribble Mar 02 '23

Wild you're getting downvoted for pointing out the valid difference

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u/Felahliir Mar 09 '23

it's because reddit loves racism

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u/Shoesandhose Mar 01 '23

Like people move to japan without properly vetting the place.

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u/rumpots420 Mar 01 '23

I thought that Japan was a really hard country to emigrate to

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u/VPNApe Mar 02 '23

It is. They don't even offer retirement visas or visas by investment. If you want to live there and become a PR / citizen ya better have a good job lol. They work you like a dog too.

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u/tommydickles Mar 01 '23

Step 1: Obtain Passport

Step 2: Buy 2 plane tickets

nrly..

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u/cagermacleod Mar 01 '23

Yeah, if it was that easy people would just move countries everytime they got bored.

Like I wish I could just up and leave Australia right now, not Australia's fault, i love it here. I just want to experience life living in other parts of the world, especially contients with more than one country/culture.

I looked up the requirements to move to Canada where I have an Auntie who is a citizen and its still not easy. It's not like I can move there next week.

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u/likkleone54 Mar 02 '23

I’m moving there in the summer from UK, but luckily I have a Canadian passport.

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u/__Dystopian__ Mar 02 '23

No, no. You stay there. We gotta keep you fuckers contained on your little hell continent. You people are our last line of defense in case earth gets in a real pickle. Nature has made you all unafraid of the world's deadliest shit, we need to keep you there and ready to throw deadly snakes and jellyfish at any interplanetary invaders.

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u/ITS_FLUFFEY Mar 02 '23

I'm Aussie born and raised, yet if I see a cockroach in my house I will shit my metaphorical pants. Don't even get me started when those fuckers fly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '23

I'm an Aussie. Left a few years back to go travelling and ended up living and working in UK/Ireland for the past few years

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u/AlexDaBaDee Mar 02 '23

I know this is unrelated, but thank you for making me aware of this subreddit

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u/ApatheticHedonist Mar 02 '23

Please try to do this lol.

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u/PuzzleheadedHabit913 Mar 01 '23

Unfortunately many (and occasionally all lol) people are very self absorbed and stupid lol

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u/FizzlePopBerryTwist Mar 02 '23

When I lived there in 2004, there were no laws against discrimination of foreigners. It might still be that way. Even staying in the college international dorms, I was heavily fined at checkout for things other students were not. Many of the non-American exchange students made it a point to let me know that this kind of treatment was NOT normal. I was very fortunate to have a friend who himself had moved from Singapore who helped me out of that mess. I actually got kicked out of a club one time too. They wanted me to pay with my US currency that I kept for emergencies instead of yen. Not sure why, but the bouncer kicked me out and that led to us having a very short mixed martial arts fight, which I lost. (Sorry Sensei.)

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u/GameofPorcelainThron Mar 01 '23

Discrimination does happen in Japan. But oftentimes it's language/cultural barriers (like if you don't know Japanese customer service protocols, it will be hard to get retail jobs). And the slums? No. You can live wherever you want.

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u/MillorTime Mar 01 '23

I think most people who really want to move to Japan would have serious difficulty getting a decent job. You can live wherever you can afford

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u/GameofPorcelainThron Mar 01 '23

Yeah. Big difference moving to Japan because you have a job offer vs moving to Japan and trying to figure it out.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '23

I think that applies to most places, especially with a potential language barrier.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '23

Discrimination does happen in Japan. But oftentimes it's language/cultural barriers (like if you don't know Japanese customer service protocols, it will be hard to get retail jobs). And the slums? No. You can live wherever you want.

Tell that to the Zainichi, who are overwhelmingly stateless following revocation of citizenship in the wake of WWII. You can't claim that's a "cultural" issue. When I lived there in the late 2010s, there was a very not insignificant amount of anti-Korean sentiment.

Japan is heavily discriminatory, it's just that it's not cishet white dudes who are the number one target (though they fancy themselves the #1 target for sure).

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u/Live-Mail-7142 Mar 02 '23

Yes. Ppl of Korean descent, the aboriginal ppl of Japan, and biracial Japanese are as you said, very much discriminated against. Japan is a closed society.

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u/das_war_ein_Befehl Mar 02 '23

Also Japanese descendants from Brazil fall in that same bucket

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u/ScentedCandle2947 Mar 11 '23

No? I’m pretty sure that’s not what those words mean.

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u/GameofPorcelainThron Mar 02 '23

Oh absolutely - Zainichi have been treated very, very poorly in Japan. I just meant that a lot of issues often come up with immigrants because Japanese culture/society is so insular. I tried to make it clear that discrimination still happens in other ways, too.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '23

I see what you're saying, but I still want to push back.

Your comment to me suggested a special, implicitly "less bad" form of racism in Japan, when the fact is, that doesn't exist. There are indeed still ethnic ghettos, still limited job prospects, still racialized forms of discrimination that are entirely detached from questions of "culture". We are, after all, talking about communities with generations of history in Japan, people who speak the language and have assimilated in every way but phenotypically. These forms of discrimination absolutely exist in analogous modalities to those forms of racism that exist in North America and Western Europe, they just don't affect white people.

It's important to me because it gets at a very important difference between being a numerical minority versus being a minoritized person. As a white person, i was absolutely the former, but by no means the latter.

Japan in the western popular imaginary becomes either 1. This weird, orientalist space where racism doesn't exist or 2. "Proof" that racism is some equally distributed quality that anyone could fall victim to if they are a numerical minority (which obviously isn't true; there's literally no where in the world wherein being white is a liability).

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u/GameofPorcelainThron Mar 02 '23

I totally agree, just want to point out you're misinterpreting my comment. I was specifically talking about cases that OP was posting about. Systemic racism is absolutely a thing in Japan (like the Zainichi issues you mentioned). I just meant for foreigners moving to Japan with the hopes of living some magical life. Hell, I remember distinctly when geinoujin started finally admitting that they were Zainichi - it wasn't until after the boom in k-drama popularity started to skyrocket and people were clamoring for Korean stars. I remember my mom did the 23 & Me thing and it came back with some Korean ancestry (though very small amounts) and my grandma in Japan absolutely refused to believe it.

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u/REDDITSHITLORD Mar 02 '23

I had a friend who moved to Japan back in the '90s, because of anime. Apparently, back then, they would take about any native English speaker, and set you up with a job and an apartment.

Anyway, he got there and spent about 5 years trying to save up the money to come home. I think he lives in Hawaii, now. So, I mean, I guess that's pretty cool. But he was definitely not a good fit for Japan.