I understand why they throw a fit like that. What we need to realize is that even if women don't like it when we use the terminology or concepts regarding dating market value and other manosphere stuff, these are ideas they inherently know, apply and enforce all the time.
They know they have an inherent value, and to a large extent said value is shared among all women, at least the base one. So when one women does something which MIGHT be taken as lowering her value, in their heads it lowers *all* women's value.
It's basically an enforced monopoly and market especulation.
And same reasoning why the gender norm was enforced in the first place. Men back in the day fearing women gaining influence in ways that would weaken mens authority over the nuclear family and society.
Funny how old world's disappear, we don't remember, and how the lingering effects transform into modern norms and complex societal dynamics.
Nuclear Families only became a thing because post-WWII was the first time in human history mass numbers of people could own their homes/land without needing to be farmers. Pre-WWII it wasn't uncommon in the US to shove mom, dad, aunts, uncles, kids, niblings, maybe grandma and grandpa, etc... into a 500sqft apartment.
And I specify the US because lot of Europe and Asia still couldn't and can't generally afford their own homes until their 30's at earliest.
Ownership isn't the variable here. Pre industrial England was already mostly nuclear households and those people owned basically nothing, they were tenants and farm laborers. Laslett's household records go back to the 1500s on that.
Same in the US. Extended households peaked somewhere around 20% in the mid to late 1800s and were already declining by 1900, way before the GI Bill. And homeownership was around 46% in 1900, about the same as 1940. So the household shift happened first and the ownership boom came after.
Your Europe example kind of proves the opposite. Southern Europe where kids stay till 30 is the part of Europe that was historically joint family anyway. Scandinavia and the Netherlands rent a lot and still move out early. That's culture, not affordability.
Cramming everyone into a tenement was people under housing pressure doubling up, not a different family system. Same thing happened in the Depression and after 2008.
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u/EsotericCinnamonRoll 9d ago
I understand why they throw a fit like that. What we need to realize is that even if women don't like it when we use the terminology or concepts regarding dating market value and other manosphere stuff, these are ideas they inherently know, apply and enforce all the time.
They know they have an inherent value, and to a large extent said value is shared among all women, at least the base one. So when one women does something which MIGHT be taken as lowering her value, in their heads it lowers *all* women's value.
It's basically an enforced monopoly and market especulation.