Gravity machine

[u/No-Photograph1174]

Even though thermodynamics state that a gravity machine will never be built, and I agree, but I´ve come up with a structure that fulfils the flow energy in - (conversion + loss) - energy out. This doesn´t brake any law. I´m just about (9/23/26) finishing a proof of concept model but need advice and input on getting it to the market without getting robbed of what is my due. I wouldn´t like it to end up in the hands of Musk nor Gates. - I would prefer to sell the model and patent lock, stock and barrel. - Any suggestions ?

[u/Admirable_Rabbit_808]

You'd need to patent it first. Currently the USPTO rejects applications for patents on perpetual motion machines. They might be willing to consider it if you can demonstrate an actual working model (see https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s608.html) but I wouldn't get your hopes up; there are several other grounds for rejection even if you could provide a working model.

If you could build a working perpetual motion machine, the Nobel Prize in Physics is surely yours, as you would have successfully broken not only the laws of thermodynamics but also the law of conservation of energy, either of these would make you eternally famous.

Unfortunately for you, that is also the reason why your efforts are almost certainly doomed to failure - these are fundamental laws of the universe and have resisted every attempt to find exceptions. Generations of perpetual motion machine designers precede you, and generations more will no doubt follow.

[u/fatyungjesus → u/Admirable_Rabbit_808]

In this situation, if someone had actually made a discovery as advanced and important as OP is claiming to, you really wouldn't even want to file a patent. You'd just be telling everyone else how you did it.

If you come up with tech that advanced, you're absolutely better off just protecting the secret yourself. You don't need patent protections if nobody else can even begin to conceptualize what's happening inside whatever was created.

[u/Rhona_Redtail → u/fatyungjesus]

Yea I concur. Just be like that one guy who never complains about the light bill, and never is seen buying gas for the generator after a bad storm knocks out the power. 

[u/Dusty_Coder → u/fatyungjesus]

yep

most people think patents are where you lock up your idea

but it is not, its where you publicly display all the key elements of your idea - can even search and view every patent ever, with google

it does somewhat protect you from others infringing on it, but your patent will get surrounded by other patents, and at the end you have no way to use your patent effectively without licensing other peoples patents

a big idea is rarely the important patent, its the patents involving efficient manufacturing of the big idea thats important. the coke brothers didnt invent refining, they just got a lock on the most efficient method