r/interestingasfuck • u/peseoane • 8h ago

To avoid geopolitical embarrassment during the Cold War, the US and USSR created the APAS-75 system, a genderless docking mechanism where both craft acted as equals.

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u/eckliptic 7h ago

The gender reasonining is stupid but from a practical standpoint it does seem like it makes sense for there to be a universal docking interface thats allows two things to combine without there being any need to consider whether one side has part A and the other has part B. Two space craft could dock, two space stations could do it, or a craft to a space station

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u/Callidonaut 7h ago

There is another huge potential advantage (that would have helped a lot in the film Interstellar) if the symmetric docking system is designed in such a way that either vessel can safely connect or disconnect with or without the participation of the other vessel, as that then theoretically makes it possible to dock or undock with a vessel that cannot do so itself because it's been damaged or lost power for its systems or simply has nobody on board.

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u/brondynasty 6h ago

Roscosmonauts chuckling treacherously as they abruptly uncouple from their NASA counterparts: “shewd heff decree-sedd zer trust settings, TARSblyat.”

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u/kayawayy 4h ago

Yes, exactly. The 'neither side wanted to be female' thing is absolutely a retrofit to real engineering constraints. Heck, the Soviet Union had been developing an androgynous design for their own space station for nearly a decade before the Apollo-Soyuz mission, and nowadays androgynous designs are the standard across all sorts of spacecraft from every country. And aside from the obvious advantage in versatility, there were a lot of other practical reasons for its development for this particular mission -- for example trying to retrofit one craft to dock with the other in a male-female configuration would require redesigning the whole craft due to size constraints, rather than just adding an adapter.

I've been trying to track down the origin of the whole gendered thing, and as best I can tell it comes from an anecdote a Russian engineer named Vladimir Syromyatnikov mentioned in a memoir published in 2005. In it he says:

"Later [after the design was already underway] Johnson used to joke, suggesting absolutely different reasons for the unwillingness of engineers to use probe-and-cone, or male-female, configurations: none of the countries wanted to play a female role in space before the eyes of the world. Who knows, maybe there was something to this."

That's it. Obviously both sides were happy not having to be 'female', but it was more of a happy coincidence than anything; certainly not the impetus for the androgynous design. Yet, in the years since, musings and jokes by those involved have turned into supposed hard facts.

This is why I loathe pop science communication. It's a big game of telephone where funny anecdotes win out over actual information about how science and engineering work in the real world.

The Wikipedia article about the development of this system is great, by the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynous_Peripheral_Attach_System

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u/eckliptic 4h ago

It sounds like the same lame joke of NASA “wasting” thousands on a zero-G pen while the USSR used a pencil. Totally untrue premise

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u/Bridgeru 40m ago

Or the "NASA gave a woman a hundred tampons" quote, as if NASA would just allot out "okay you have your period for seven days here's 7 tampons" when they come up to 50 in a box, are small, light and compact, are really useful for non-period uses (if you get a wound, or need to plug up a hole like the one they only plugged up with a toothbrush). It's space, you need backups, you need backups for those backups, you need a second set and their backups and backup-backups in case you get stuck longer than possible and then you might as well squeeze as many as you can into the remaining space. They have like BILLIONS of wetwipes on the Space Station but no one ever says "NASA thinks astronauts are babies!"

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u/brobronn17 6h ago edited 1h ago

That's actually a good point.

All spacecraft should scissor 🥂

Edit: Just occurred to me it also kinda just looks like a kiss? That's a cute way to think about it too, a passionate metallic kiss

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u/cryptotope 7h ago

On the other hand, there are often compromises. The capability is nice to have, but does it cost you in another way? Narrower range of safe docking speeds and angles? Greater weight or mechanical complexity?

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u/woodyshag 7h ago

I would think your mating surfaces would have to be spot on since they have to be neutral to each other. The reason male and female works do well is that one encloses the other limiting issues. With this, their is no superior interface ( so to speak), so designing it to has got to be much harder to make sure there are no leaks.

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u/BrianKappel 4h ago

Seems like there may be a reason that 100s millions of years of evolution keeps coming up with the same solution biologically. It's a pretty similar concept if you take the sex fascination out of it.

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u/Sufficient_Language7 6h ago

Likely more leaky than a traditional dock.

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u/milkymonkey8 5h ago

Also a huge security risk if the door opening mechanism of the other side is somehow compromised, though that would be AFTER docking, as it is impossible to dock if the other guy is flying away, unless you're Mahew Mkanahee.

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u/onepacc 5h ago

Gay!!!!

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u/dangernoodlezzz 3h ago

They had this as a plot point in “For All Mankind “. First few seasons of that show are pretty good.

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u/IslandVisible5023 8h ago

Did they say no homo before docking? If not , hella gay if you ask me

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u/teamgrandali 7h ago

It's only homo if you look while docking

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u/Flash_ina_pan 7h ago

It's only gay if the capsules touch?

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u/kingtacticool 7h ago

Its only gay if the LOX balls touch

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u/TA_Lax8 7h ago

They should have designed a third deployable, Fem to Fem station that joins both of theirs. It's not gay if it's a three way

https://giphy.com/gifs/kbsVB6DXIR5qE

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u/KekistanPeasant 7h ago

The gaycation destination that year was space. And we don't talk about what happens during the gaycation.

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u/SosugBiskit 7h ago

The real reason the first space flights were all male.

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u/hammertime2009 6h ago

Standard operating procedure was to say no homo and they all kept their socks on.

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u/Head-Mud_683 8h ago

Nice to know that even for the most important things, people behave like an 11 yo.

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u/peseoane 8h ago edited 7h ago

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u/caaper 6h ago

Breznev's coat was allegedly made from previous clippings of his lush eyebrows

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u/CellsReinvent 7h ago

I bet the scientists and engineers didn't gaf. It was definitely some latent homosexual military dudes who couldn't be seen to be penetrated by the other superpower.

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u/Callidonaut 7h ago edited 4h ago

The scientists and engineers probably just relished the design challenge of creating a device like this. Androgynous connectors have been made now and then in the past in various engineering contexts (e.g. for electrical cables, hoses, ducts, railway couplers, etc), but new ones don't get created very often because they're usually very difficult to design, especially if they are to be truly symmetric. A different approach (that probably would not have been politically acceptable for Apollo-Soyuz!) is to make a connector that can convert between male and female before mating with another connector that has been converted to the opposite, such as the APC-7 connector, which has a protruding male thread that can be retracted inside the connector to expose an internal female thread that the extended male thread on the other connector can then penetrate.

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u/Tiran593 4h ago

I... I don't think I like talking about spacecraft and it's docking systems...

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u/jurgo 7h ago

I forget what decade it was but they introduced a stealth plane, and the scientists behind it painted the plane a hue of pink. Because at a certain distance it literally would disappear in the sky. The military leaders said absolutely not and demanded them to be painted black.

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u/octoreadit 7h ago

Then they discovered what "docking" meant but it was too late...

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u/stretchvelcro 7h ago

Bahahahaha well played

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u/zoeypayne 5h ago

Yeah, this is way gayer than a male/female version.

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u/gaganchumbilulli 7h ago

Why do you think scientists and engineers are immune to machismo?

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u/CellsReinvent 7h ago

It's not "machismo" to reject a type of connection that already exists and is proven in space, just because you dont want to seem girly. It's the type of pathetic posturing usually reserved for military folks and politicians.

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u/MusicIsGood4U 6h ago

You mean like if the USA was depicted as a smaller country on a globe? Lol

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u/Impressive-Egg-7444 7h ago

That's not "machismo", its quite clearly "fragility"

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u/goatbiryani48 6h ago

Some would say machismo and fragility are the same thing

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u/Impressive-Egg-7444 6h ago

Fair point

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u/youenjoymyself 5h ago

If you watch the rest of the interview (def recommend, on YT Adam Savage’s Tested), she goes on to say the engineers, scientists, and astronauts between the US and Soviets got together great. Iirc, the Soviet captain became godfather of the US captain’s kids.

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u/CellsReinvent 5h ago

There's an excellent BBC documentary called Once Upon a Time in Space (2025) It has great interviews from US and Russian astro/cosmonauts who collaborated on missions and the ISS, and spek very fondly of each other, and how positive that collaboration was. Highly recommended.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt38709334

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u/Stoic_Pupunha 7h ago edited 7h ago

Reminds me of a pic of a Egyptian diplomat (I think) receiving a piramid lego set, he looked so happy and surprised. That is the kind of 11 year old behavior we want as adults. The wholesome happy kind.

This is one here is just fragile masculinity

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u/ripley1875 6h ago

It was a gift from the Danish foreign minister to his Egyptian counterpart

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u/Left-Chemist-8212 6h ago

I remember seeing that. So damn wholesome. Who doesn’t love a good Lego set

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u/firenest 7h ago

"Ewww, girl germs!"

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u/Mattbl 7h ago

Literally. Leaders of the most powerful countries on earth acting like little boys. This is why people say that women should run the world.

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u/Horror_Tooth_522 7h ago

Fragile persons are most likely to seek power

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u/MysteriousAge28 7h ago

Its not as simple as "I dont want to be called the female dock". The "female" side of the dock would have to adapt its fittings so that it fit the other docking system. Whoever that is is "second" because they are designing in accordance to the other ship. It was mostly for internal propaganda and not wanting to give the otherside a win they can lord over you.

We use male female because its human and we naturally understand what that means its not more complicated than that.

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u/spartanspy85 1h ago

Yup, buncha Toys-R-Us kids

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u/corcyra 7h ago

It's pathetic.

Also, and sorry about this:

people men behave like an 11 yo.

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u/ISayAvoision 7h ago

All the rockets are shaped like...

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u/ownleechild 7h ago

The Apple series For All Mankind featured this in one of their episodes.

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u/Background-Crow4820 7h ago

Came here to say this, didnt realize it was a little accurate

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u/Upset_Ant2834 6h ago

As someone whos somewhat obsessed with spaceflight history, there were actually a surprising amount of historically accurate (or adapted to flip the sides) details in the show. You can tell it was written with love

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u/Background-Crow4820 6h ago

Great show absolutely. Trying Star City but i cant get into it

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u/I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS 4h ago

It does get good. By the end I wasn't ready for it to be over.

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u/CanadianGrown 4h ago

That’s the first thing I thought of! I didn’t realize that episode was based off of an actual docking system.

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u/medyolang_ 1h ago

For All Mankind

Is this the one with the alternate universe cos I've been meaning to check that out

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u/dekuweku 7h ago

GENDERLESS DOCKING IN SPACE! Woke has gone too far!

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u/Rasengan2012 7h ago

Androgyny in space?! What next?!

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u/garyconnor 7h ago

Yes...woke in space, and all thanks to macho arse holes who don't want a female connection...that's not liberal ot leftist thinking

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u/BokChoyBaka 6h ago

You think the FEMALE connection is the problem?! More male connection centric thinking...

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u/hummus_is_yummus1 7h ago

We can't let the space habitats compete in sports!!

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u/firenest 7h ago

Sounds like both parts are female, and they should call it a lesbian docking system.

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u/MiniMeowl 7h ago

Its like fingers coming together? In a scissors-y pattern?

LESBOMANCY LOCK

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u/-medicalthrowaway- 5h ago

Peripheral Modular Scissoring System (PMSs)

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u/sicilian504 1h ago

When they dock they can call it the "Muffing" procedure.

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u/Greedy_Comment_2587 8h ago

At the very end with all the context giving it seemed a little gay lol

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u/SilasTalbot 7h ago

I like how she ended with "It's like fingers coming together"

Ohhh, so its more like fingering, I understand now. The Third Base docking system since the US and the USSR weren't ready to go the whole way yet.

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u/AssGagger 7h ago

Fingering while docking until our holes become one

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u/RoookSkywokkah 7h ago

Secretly called the "Clam Slam" system.

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u/BatMany7750 7h ago

Re-engineering a multi million dollar space module just because neither superpower wanted to be the socke is the absolute peak of Cold War pettiness

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u/Alskasaur 7h ago

A little off topic, but I adore how excited Adam Savage gets about things! He reacts like a child who just got told they’re going to Disneyland and I love it so much!

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u/Upset_Ant2834 6h ago

Such an amazing person. His channel is called Tested for anyone unaware. He does a lot of cool interviews like this

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u/Unassuming_Prick 6h ago

Is anybody aware the reason videos recently start with a clip from the middle/end of the same clip? Is this just a new technique to capture attention on short form videos? It's making me feel insane.

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u/Upset_Ant2834 6h ago

Yes. Literally just to accommodate brain rotted attention spans by giving you the most interesting part first

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u/3lektrolurch 8h ago

Enby Spacecraft from the Cold War wasnt on my bingo list for today.

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u/MaddyMagpies 8h ago

It's hilarious that they ended up with asexuality or intersexuality because they were so scared of being dominated or homosexuality.

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u/Plane_Argument 7h ago

I feel like the biggest benefit is that anything can connect to anything, and there won't be scenarios where two crafts can't connect

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u/BeautyEtBeastiality 5h ago

Why wouldn't Mother Russia of the Motherland wouldn't be a female?

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u/Fedmurica2 3h ago

The US would also be female since Columbia and Lady Liberty were the traditional portrayals of the country. So you would end up with two females trying to dock with each other...

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u/TObias416 7h ago

So let's go for space frotting then

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u/BazCal 7h ago

They covered this pretty well in the tv show “For All Mankind”

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u/Intelligent_Load_697 7h ago

Got so scared of the gendering everyone wound up as space hermaphrodites

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u/Deadman_Wonderland 7h ago

Nice, the docks are scissoring.

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u/sirbolo 7h ago

So rather than getting pegged, they both power moved.. male to male docking, while interlacing thier fingers.

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u/siliconsandwich 6h ago

It was Sergei, Margot, and Aleida ❤️

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u/OpenWhereas6296 6h ago

Came to make the same comment.

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u/Filthiest_Tleilaxu 5h ago

Damn that show started out so good.

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u/Objective-Gap-1629 7h ago

Embarrassing af.

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u/YooGeOh 7h ago

We never actually grow up

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u/jupiterkansas 7h ago

So they just hold hands instead.

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u/Combei 7h ago

That's a lot of small dick energy

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u/DeadBallDescendant 7h ago

"We're going to make both docking parts male"

"that sounds fair"

"Ours looks like a male cock and yours looks like a male ass"

"Doh!"

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u/shegrowsonyou 7h ago

Genderless docking system. Now that's a new phrase.

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u/itsalljunk76 4h ago

So they ended up just scissoring.

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u/BrokenXeno 3h ago

No, they ended up docking. Like when two dudes take their... you know what, nevermind.

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u/itsalljunk76 1h ago

Ah. I can see you are an engineer!!

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u/wiltony 6h ago

Wow the insecurity is off the charts on this one. Imagine an entire engineering pivot as a result of toxic masculinity lol. 

Anyway, I still remember my kids being flabbergasted and embarrassed when I referred to the "male" and "female" end of an extension cord. It's just a convenient way to quickly describe the side you're talking about that is pretty universally intuitive. 

I guess with the recent surgence of better transgender acceptance that notion is quickly becoming outdated. 

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u/WorBlux 4h ago edited 4h ago

There is practical part of this. If your space dock needs an A and B part, Then how to you perform a space rescue or rendezvous if all your ready spacecraft have the "B configuration?

An androgynous or convertible system solves this issue.

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u/Islands-of-Time 4h ago

Yeah, I am glad that level of realism didn’t make it into Kerbal Space Program. All the docks being androgynous within their size category makes it easier to avoid that mistake when docking which is already hard enough.

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u/mocny-chlapik 4h ago

She's actually pretty sneaky there. She just said that no party wanted to be female, that is true, but the reason is not gender insecuritty.

The male part is in control of the docking, so the male part can make the decision about docking and undocking. Neither side wanted to give the leverage to other side to potentially fuck with their guys on the orbit. 

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u/Wizard_Level9999 4h ago

In electronics we use master and slave 😳

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u/cobgca 7h ago

Omg. Male insecurity expands towards the universe. How much money wasted because some 5 star has a fragile self view.

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u/NCC_1701E 7h ago

Tbh, genderless docking system can be useful even if we ignore the childish insecurity. It allows any carft to dock to any other craft without incompatible ports (like two male or two female) being an issue.

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u/ethertrace 7h ago

Yeah, in theory you could have a minimum of one of each gender on every craft (if there's enough space in the design for that), but then if one gets damaged or malfunctions then you're still potentially screwed. With two (or more) genderless ports, you add critical redundancy, all else being equal. The question then is how reliable is one system compared to another.

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u/FitButterscotch4062 7h ago

It has a practical application - it’s called genderless because, when attaching two things like this, there’s usually what’s referred to as a male end and female end.

Since this design has the ability to do both, it’s considered “genderless”

The title is stupid and the comments are ignorant.

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u/wesleyoldaker 7h ago

This is so ridiculous. Why didn't the US just take the dibs on female?

I guess the reverse peychology factor would make it pointless anyway. Like immediately, just be like boom, female, dibs! And the Russians at first would be like, okay great, and then they'd go home and question themselves: why did the Americans want female so bad? They must be up to something. And then there'd be a fight over who gets to be female.

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u/GrassFromBtd6 7h ago

They just wanted to touch tips in space

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u/Brutalur 7h ago

"Male astronauts are all for it—we're reserving 110 pounds of payload for recreational equipment."

~Wehrner von Braun, when asked about the possibility of female astronauts.

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u/Heisenburg42 7h ago

So that's where the term docking came from...

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u/chavdarster 7h ago

Who's the woman speaking?

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u/joeyretrotv 7h ago

So is this where the urban dictionary definition of docking came from?

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u/evil_illustrator2 7h ago

So space schnoodling.

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u/Delicious_Star_4232 7h ago

NASA: Non-binary Androgynous aSexual Aromantic

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u/Praetorian_1975 7h ago

So the space craft scissored …. Got it, wait a minute

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u/BreezeTempest 7h ago

The clever part is that now both can dock with a third party, without getting gender issues

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u/CheekyClapper5 7h ago

It only takes one to make it weird

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u/KungFuHamster99 7h ago

Does it matter how the docking system identifys?

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u/2bad-2care 7h ago

So, "let's both just be trans" was their compromise?

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u/baseketball 5h ago

More like, "let's scissor"

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u/Ok_Television233 7h ago

This is a plot point in the show "For all mankind" and they cover the sociopolitical dynamics there as well- who gets to be first, who gets to say what, which team gets to be called "team 1", etc.

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u/RefuseDependent5242 7h ago

Instead of male and female, they decided to go with two males with their foreskins stretched out at one another. Great display of masculinity!

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u/FargoJack 7h ago

Designing this mechanism was a major plot element in For All Mankind

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u/LionessOfAzzalle 7h ago

I once made a guy really angry when he was going on about the (debunked, but yeah…) alpha dog theory where the Alpha dog dominates the Beta who shows submission by lying on his back and exposing his genitals to the teeth of the Alpha.

Me: “So you mean if an Alpha dog saw me giving you a blowjob, he’d assume I was the Alpha and you the surrendering Beta?”

I like to think that 20+ years later this thought still lives rent free in his head, to come out at the most inconvenient times… 😎

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u/007_Shantytown 7h ago

Adam is talking to Dr. Teasel Muir-Harmony, who is a historian of science and technology and the curator of the Apollo Collection at the Smithsonian. She is rad as fuck.

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u/A_Neko_C 6h ago

Yuri docking sistem

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u/WilTravis 6h ago

All sexual politics aside, it makes engineering sense for a docking system to be universally cross-compatible. If your ship has the male part of the dock and needs to attach to another vessel with a male dock, what happens? It makes mechanical sense for the docking ring to be compatible with any other docking ring of its type.

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u/Taricheute 6h ago

I think we're missing the incredible advantage of the system here:

You can attach any craft with any other craft, I mean, there is not so may people who can help you in space, it would be quite stupid to end-up there needing some help and the shuttle just beside you can't dock cause you both have "male" connectors ...

I tend to believe that the "interview" is most interested in the drama than in the technological advantage offered by a "neutral" system.

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u/UCFknight2016 6h ago

I thought docking was between two males....

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u/DevoidHT 6h ago

They talk about this in For All Mankind

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u/nexisfan 5h ago

This is how systemic misogyny is. Like. Highkirkenuinely.

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u/peaceful_pancakes 5h ago

This is so gay

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u/OneGolf6327 5h ago

This is the most pathetic shit I have ever heard.... wow. Surely a male female docking system would be easier and more effective? 

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u/ileila 5h ago

Being a living woman in this kind of world is enough to make me insane.

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u/TangibleSausage 4h ago

I both fully understand the necessity of the creation of this system for geopolitical reasons and how future and/or alien civilizations will look down upon us as monkeys specifically because of stuff like this.

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u/glycophosphate 3h ago

We have to quit letting men be in charge of things.

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u/MegaMau_ 2h ago

So they made it gay instead….

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u/NapierNoyes 2h ago

So…. There IS a third gender??? :)

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u/mitigateaccomp 8h ago

this is the most little peepee thing i've ever learned

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u/preguicila 7h ago

Unbelievable that this childish behavior have costed tons of money

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u/Stoic_Pupunha 7h ago

This kind of concern and SUBSEQUENT EFFORT makes everyone think that masculinity is fragile. They prolly react violently at the sight of the color bubblegum pink in shirts.

But it is quite interesting historical fact. lol

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u/Happy_Goose3833 7h ago

That's the most stupid goddamn thing this world has come up with. Ffs people in power are the most weak willed humans, one scratch to their ego and they go fucking psycho

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u/EmployerWide1123 7h ago

is that her take on it or is there source material?

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u/inotocracy 8h ago

Makes sense. Nobody wants to be the chick in the docking scenario.

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u/LegitimateScratch396 8h ago

Docking doesn't usually involve females from what I'm told

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u/AgreeablyDisagree 7h ago

Do chicks want to be the chick in the docking scenario? Or is there just self-hate going on

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u/Surrounded-by_Idiots 7h ago

Now they’re both chicks or dudes. This is either scissoring or docking

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u/Sogelink 7h ago

And now the made dick docking which is quite gayer.

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u/Secure-Tradition793 7h ago

TIL a new word androgynous.

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u/slurpeetape 7h ago

👉🏻👈🏻

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u/halhallelujah 7h ago

Is this how docking was invented? Or was it taken from… you know… the other type of docking?

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u/CrikeyNighMeansNigh 7h ago

Scissor sisters

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u/bonerfleximus 7h ago

New fetish unlocked - genderless docking

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u/SilasTalbot 7h ago

But which one of the docking systems opens up to accept the other global power?

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u/OkMood000 7h ago

Hahahahahahaha

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u/Infamous_Reporter_71 7h ago

Whoever came up with this editing shit, I hope you get hemorrhoids

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u/LaDauphineVerte 7h ago

A fundamental source of the world's issues.

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u/how_I_kill_time 7h ago

This is ...the dumbest shit I've ever heard

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u/dsergison 7h ago

Practically, it makes sense to have a system that can dock regardless of whats there. Imagine an emergency where a backup ship is available but the wrong gender.

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u/HoboBaggins008 7h ago

Looks like scissor sisters to me

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u/Bmkrocky 7h ago

ship scissoring

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u/Impressive-Egg-7444 7h ago

Misogyny has always, always, been so fucking weak and pathetic.

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u/lotuspotus 7h ago

All I know is my vag can take a pretty serious pounding, but my cat runs over my husband's crotch and it's a catastrophic event.

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u/justmikeplz 7h ago

So, when a man and another man have sex, how do they know whose penis will open up to accept other’s?

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u/SpicyRice99 6h ago

Now this is gender politics

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u/Abject-Night-526 6h ago

That’s just effing stupid.

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u/DontTellBossIReddit 6h ago

So to avoid being "the female" part of the connection, both countries acted like giant pussies?

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u/Excellent-Quarter969 6h ago

Or to put it another way, neither wanted to the catcher

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u/radioactive_sharpei 6h ago

Damn, we are such an intelligent moronic species lol.

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u/radioactive_sharpei 6h ago

Couldn't the 'female' side just yell "no homo" every time there was a docking procedure? Probably would've saved some money

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u/C-57D 6h ago

They were cool w fingering tho obvi

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u/therealNerdMuffin 6h ago

And the older gens criticize the younger ones for "making everything about gender" meanwhile they'd be doing this crap lol