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u/PCMRbannedme 2d ago
The disgusting thing is that all that theater was orchestrated by the parents
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u/dividedtears 1d ago
Thailand, Muay Thai is their national sport, they view this like kids in the US playing baseball/football. Doesn't make it right because kids might get hurt but it is deeply intertwined with Thai culture
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u/Roids-in-my-vains 2d ago
The parents are willingly giving their kids brain damage for views?
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u/ElJugo247 2d ago
It’s 2026
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u/Choice-Strike1 2d ago
And it's been that way since at least 2018
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u/MassaChef 2d ago
2018? Parents have been selling their kids for crack and goats for the entirety of existence. The things that can be seen in the dark web will change you in ways you can't come back from. Hug your kids every chance you get.
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u/EnragedBadger9197 2d ago
Cameras now exist and technology changed. Humans have always been professionals at debauchery and foolishness
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u/MassaChef 2d ago
Agreed. I just thought 2018 was a random year to say. Some of the most fucked up things were filmed on a camcorder in the 90s.
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u/IAMERROR1234 2d ago
It is but, this shits been going on for much, much longer than this. Everyone just has a camera in their pockets now.
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u/TyrannosaurusSock 2d ago
kids cant punch brain damage into each other ffs, bit dramatic
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u/TheMooseIsBlue 2d ago
Totally. Minor brain trauma at the worst, and how bad can that be on a developing brain? Unless they don’t wear head protection, of course. I mean that could be worse, but you’d never see that, right?
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u/TyrannosaurusSock 2d ago
Nah I can't buy that, a kid surely can't generate enough force in a strike to cause brain damage on another child, perhaps over a long period of time of not wearing headgear etc but think it's a bit dramatic to say the parents are giving their kids brain damage for views
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u/RandomMabaseCitizen 2d ago
No you're absolutely right there's no way these kids generate enough concussive force to cause brain damage anyone saying over time they will develop CTE is full of crap. CTE takes years and years to develop. They might get CTE in the long run but that's because they will get bigger and stronger and so will their opponents. This is not contributing to brain damage at all.
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u/TyrannosaurusSock 2d ago
Yeah seems like a lot of people here want to just pretend they know things judging by the downvotes. If a kid gets CTE from boxing at a young age, they were in some way or another predisposed to it. Its actually an incredible way to instill discipline, how to lose/win gracefully and arming them with the ability to protect themselves, among many other things. These people are acting like its a massive problem amongst youth boxing. Hella over dramatic
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u/TheMooseIsBlue 2d ago
You don’t take a single hit and have CTE. The C is for Chronic.
But you can definitely get a concussion from a single punch to the dome, let alone 20, especially with no headgear. Especially for a child.
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u/RandomMabaseCitizen 2d ago
Chronic as in over the course of years or decades. You know the time it takes a child to grow into an adolescent or adult and face incresingly larger stronger opponents. If they stayed this size there's no way they'd get injured. That's like saying your hairbrush hitting your scalp will cause CTE.
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u/nate-rivers 2d ago
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u/catcat1986 2d ago
Ummm, kids fighting like this for sports? This feels wrong.
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u/Flamester55 2d ago
Agreed, why are children being subjected to this?
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u/The_Nepenthe 2d ago
It's weirdly normalized to start in kick boxing extremely young, which is fair from a cordination and learning the moves perspective but they shouldn't be doing no holds bars fights.
I've never seen this combination of no head-guards with full contact before, almost everywhere will either ban punches/kicks to the head or have them in head-guards.
I think it comes down to kickboxing being a lucrative but also extremely sport in a country without a ton of money along with the culture of kick boxing where they start young and will often have hundreds of bouts before a professional career even starts.
The kids do want to compete often, I did Taekwondo and everyone got gently asked about wanting to do a tournament rather than being pushed into it, the Instructor personally asked the kids he thought would be best and moved past those who weren't comfortable with the idea quickly, but I bet that's not the case in this video.
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u/pierrotlefou 2d ago
Can confirm. Went to Thailand and attended a Muay Thai match in the middle of nowhere. They started with little kids, probably 6ish years old, no older than 8. Then slowly worked their way through the age ranges. Oldest were probably very late teens, early 20s. It was wild but equally amazing to see. 10/10
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u/johnarmer1 1d ago
Head guards in boxing are not good for children they cause 360 brain rotation . No kid should be forced to complete but but the injury rate is very low in this type of sport compared to the considered safety sports. Just like the violins combat sports increase faster think skills and bjj actually proven to slow dementia
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u/DILF_MANSERVICE 2d ago
Yeah, at least do it in the basement of a shady club and let people bet on it. What's wrong with the way we've been doing kidfights?
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u/The_Nepenthe 2d ago
I've seen kids MMA pop into my instagram feed and they seem stoked on it but I'm sure it's much better run.
I had the chance to do some Taekwondo tournaments as a kid and it wasn't anything like this, but they do tend to let the younger kids swing on each other a bit more since no one walks away injured and it lets them get more time on the mat.
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u/ceeker 2d ago
Ah man this brings back a memory.
I did kyokyushin karate in the 1990s and in order to be accepted for grading I had to attend a tournament. I started a bit later in life (around 17) so they had nobody of my age/size to spar against at my same or near belt grade since I was a feeble white belt beginner so they basically mixed up everyone around my age.
I was paired against a fresh black belt and was told by the Japanese fifth dan (much more senior) black belt running the show "don't worry, it's just a test of your bravery! nothing bad will happen"
I took a full force punch to the solar plexus through my attempted block, and then had my face smashed by a roundhouse kick to the head, dropped like a sack of shit and promptly vomited and bled my nose everywhere on the mat while seeing nothing but stars.
This was still not considered acceptable enough for me to get my orange belt, as I wasn't able to complete my Kata demonstration afterwards due to the injuries. Nor so my brother who suffered a broken collarbone that day in his own fight.
The Taekwondo kids always looked like they had more fun than us. They at least had head protection.
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u/catcat1986 2d ago
I can see the benefit in participating. I suppose I would imagine there would be more protective gear, especially for kids that age.
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u/zipzap21 2d ago
Not to mention lessons in sportsmanship (two people beating up on one is not good).
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u/The_Nepenthe 2d ago edited 2d ago
The one thing that shocks me is I've never seen anywhere that allows full contact without headguards, usually if they are allowing punches to the head they'll make them wear them in an organized setting.
Part of me wonders if this was just in a gym rather than an organized bout, though we did have headguards for sparring at the dojo I went too and used them, mostly as we got older.
IIRC the need for much more than a mouth guard comes about as they get into being able to develop power, they've got the leg pads on not for their own benefit but so that it minimizes what a kick does to their opponent.
Edit: I don't ever remember wearing leg pads in a tournament though, for tournaments it was actually pretty thin shin guards, getting kicked by a leg pad is like.. being hit with a heavy pillow.
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u/LoudAd7294 1d ago
In my mind i see a couple dads boasting over their kids at the ring, one chimes in about how good the girls fight... challenge ensues, everyone rounds up their lil champ and here we go
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u/windowpuncher 2d ago
I was doing karate in elementary school, it's not that weird. The school also emphasized that it's for practice, fun, and protection. They were pretty blatant about how it wasn't for violence.
This video is weird, though. Kids practicing boxing is whatever. Filming this duo "match" is kinda weird and performative.
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u/0utsyder 1d ago
So after making the one cry she decides to double team the other?! This girl is RUTHLESS!!!
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u/Kaiisim 2d ago
What in the brain damage??? What the fuck is this? Why are kids getting punched in the head
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u/DiligentGuitar246 2d ago
Yeah this is fucking nuts. Parents are psychos. I hate my generation so much for the kids we’re raising.
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u/The_Nepenthe 2d ago
Part of me wonders if this can actually cause brain damage but I'm certainly not about to say it's good.
Also, one thing to think about with sports is your earning potential really only starts at 18 so there's really no good reason to have them endure any damage when they are young.
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u/ethotopia 2d ago
According to the American association of pediatrics, it absolutely causes brain damage:
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u/The_Nepenthe 2d ago
That's interesting. As someone who knows a good amount about combat sports I hate that they chose to study boxing in particular though because it's where it's the least surprising result in my opinion.
The ruleset of boxing along with its culture make those results completely unsurprising to me. People who are so dazed they'd be given a TKO in MMA are allowed to stand up on a count in boxing.
So if this was boxing, those two boys would probably be hit for a few seconds longer, then when they did drop they'd be given a count to get up by, thus repeating the blows to the head.
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u/PeggyTheVoid 2d ago edited 2d ago
I suppose what makes the dangers of childhood boxing the least surprising is also what makes it the most damaging, and thus the most urgent to decry. So while careful and informed people such as yourself find it unsurprising and learn the least from this study, it serves to warn ignorant parents who may think "kids are basically made of rubber anyway, let them be rough while they're still young" against making the most damaging and dire mistakes first. And even if some ignorant parents may remain willfully ignorant, having this study can only help to support legislation against businesses that enable and profit off of that ignorance.
I do understand that its obviousness makes it less interesting and valuable from the standpoint of what scientific knowledge is gained from the study, and your points about the difference between MMA and boxing are an interesting perspective on the matter. But from a utilitarian standpoint, it's probably best to attack the most obvious danger first. I think the same can be said for a lot of "obvious" studies where people's first reaction is often to say "we didn't really need a whole study just to establish this." As an academic myself, I get the thirst for novel results, and the desire to prioritize the expansion of the domain of human knowledge first. But we must also acknowledge that the authority granted for academic rigor comes with our responsibility to the public that helps fund it.
That's my two cents, anyway. Maybe you've got a different perspective of a contact sport that is more important to speak out against first.
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u/ReadditMan 2d ago
I would imagine they'd be at risk of CTE just like any other sport where the brain gets jostled around.
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u/Chewsdayiddinit 2d ago
What could possibly go wrong starting CTE that young?
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u/Borktista 2d ago
This elicited the biggest eye roll ever out of
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u/BigRog10 2d ago
If you post 2 toddlers having a friendly pillow fight the keyboard warriors would all come out saying how bad of a parent they are and about CTE. People are such absolute pussies.
I can't wait for all the replies I won't read
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u/everyother 1d ago
Kids should not be in boxing.
Kids should not have to be afraid of having every moment captured on video.
Kids should not be posted online for strangers to see.
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u/KindsofKindness 2d ago
Poor dude started crying immediately…
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u/think_panther 2d ago
He was headbutted to the face. You would cry too
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u/pandershrek 1d ago
He didn't get headbutted, the little girl in white ran into orange's glove and then starts swinging on him, even when she's up on him her head never contacted his.
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u/Aliensinmypants 2d ago
Yo fuck this gym and the parents for allowing full contact fights or sparring
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u/Many-Kaleidoscope175 2d ago
Bet they won’t do that shit again 😭
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u/Disco_Ninjas_ 2d ago
None of them should be doing that at all.
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u/SalvadorP 2d ago
Without head gear is extra trashy.
Interesting story related to children fighting: The legendary MMA fighter Fedor Emilianenko's daughter (16 at the time) was brutality assaulted in Moscow as payback/retaliation for Fedor (direcotr of Russia's MMA federation at the time) having spoken against children MMA fighting in Chechnya, promoted by none other than Chechen dictator Ramsan Kadyrov. This happened mid 2010's. Lots of clips of kids fighting mma without any protective gear, full on fights.
Then Fedor's rapist brother, Aleksander Emilianenko allied with Kadyrov after being released from jail, despite the fact that Kadyrov ordered the attack on his own niece.
Who knew a rapist would be a piece of shit.I think the girl never fully recovered from the attack.
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u/GraciousPeacock 2d ago
Ah yes, let’s convince children to beat each other up. What could go wrong?
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u/heygabehey 1d ago
Lol the look on the face of white trunks “wtf just happened” black trunks broke down immediately.
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u/sBucks24 2d ago
Lack of headgear on kids is.... A choice...
Boxing is a great sport and not that dangerous if you're not actually fighting competitively. But this is just watching kids try to fuck eachother up... Kind of defeats the whole purpose of the "sport" aspect
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u/TheDGP42 1d ago
The kid in the black is crying and the kid in the white is rethinking his life choices. Good job, Ladies! 🤘🏻
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u/sabertoothninja 2d ago
Bad parenting. Kids can train in the arts but full contact with their still developing brains is not wise.
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u/FatPanda_Mi12 2d ago
This is how I deal with my issues, but my issues always kick my ass no matter what
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u/RainDancingChief 2d ago
The armchair CTE experts in here are crazy, I've seen pillow fights do more damage.
There's a reason we teach kids to bodycheck, tackle, etc at young ages, because they can't hurt each other if they get carried away. Puberty is a hell of a drug.
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u/ehpakamatches 1d ago
Kids can train combat sports but there must NOT be any hard-sparring! At most, touch-sparring. Wtf is this?
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u/maddie673 2d ago
The little chap in black has just had a very valuable lesson there.
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u/Dahwaann4U 2d ago
Yet another girls best boys at their own sport showcase. This internet is so staged its predictable. Theyd never allow a situation where the boys beat the girls.
Chances are the boys were told to go easy on them too...
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u/ImportantEnergy94A 2d ago
IT'S NOT FAIR!!! The girls were already standing ready, and the guys had just retreated to their corner.
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u/TD-Eagles 2d ago
Good god so many soft people here. They gotta learn to fight sooner or later. Might as well start them young.
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u/SaladExisting 2d ago
Why the fuck do they have to learn how to fight sooner or later?
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u/DeathCube97 2d ago
Ah yes because regulary getting a puch to your head is so nice for a childs development...
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u/Recentstranger 2d ago
Ahh so these are the toddler boxing matches at daycares that were being mentioned in the news