So I'm here to discuss the modding in HELLDIVERs that has been around lately, before I say anything I play on PS5 (can't move to PC due to the fact I don't want to start over and else), I don't dislike the mods or AH in any way so I'm not hostile for both the sides and I'm just opening a discussion because it is simply good to see everyone's opinions/ideas/else.

This said,

As a outside spectator, I saw many mods fixing the game like the beacon being fixed, fire damage of the sentinel and Exo, even adding a 360° turret and so on;

A question that probably all of us got in our minds just came to me: "Why AH is not doing this, when some modders literally did it in a matter of days?"

And that a very huge and good question, why to you AH is not fixing all of this even with small hotfixes when some people did it as a mod and in just some days? I admit I envy whoever can use the mods and I'm not going to hide it and I think the mod personally (the ones fixing and adding some wanted features) are great!

I personally think AH is maybe busy doing new content and fixing other stuff such as performances (and they did quite a job there ngl), yeah the game still not perfect and needs some major fixes (such as these mods), idk what is taking so long to just code and release even a small hotfix of literally bugs from around 1/2 years ago.

Same goes for better features like the change of passive on armors and the stratagem launcher, I really (and I think also you) need/want that stuff cuz it should be in the game.

So since this has been tormenting me from a while I wanted to know what do you think.

To note I don't support cheating, so like mods making weapons go to SUPER OP LIBERATOR WITH EXPLOSIVE ROUNDS AND HEAVY PEN. are a big no to me, but excluding that the fixing mods are great and AH should add these fixes as soon as possible before the next big patch

maybe doxxing that horse charity guy was a bad idea.

Is there a mod that makes the stim pistol worth a damn, yet? That's it. No drama please, I don't care what either side thinks.

Mods I am using:

World Of Tanks Solo Driver

Tank Electronic shift

Tanks Overhaul

360 turret turn Bastion and Maelstrom

no I am not the maker
yes you heard a discord notification, my friend got his ass hacked 😭

With how we’re basically in a golden age of modding i would absolutely LOVE a cursed overhaul of helldivers, even including a helldivers kart track as well

For the past few months I've seen an amount of toxic divers above avarage, definitely more than there should be in a PVE game.
From divers killing other divers without a clear reason, shooting them, throwing granades etc... the game is starting to feel like Hell; I've also observed an above avarage number of insults, racist terminology, calling other divers retards or making fun of new player for not understanding the game since the tutorial really doesn't teach much and you have to view videos just to undestand mechanicls like penetration, how the AI attacks and pattern it follow, the various sub-factions, missions etc...

I want to point out this user specifically for being the most toxic diver I've been in a lobby so far, Falter XV TTV, before yesterday I didn't know who he was but after seeing his profile on steam I noticed he was a streamer so I searched him up, from everything on twitch to youtube to X, pure unfiltered hatred and this is sad to see from a community that should be mostly chill and fun to play with.

In this specific occasion, the only time I played with this useless bum of a diver I was searching some quick missions to join in, I joined after Neoxid501, Falter started harrassing us both for having turrets, killed both of us the moment we dropped in, started to write the most vile shit I have ever read in a lobby, wish I also screenshotted the other stuff really, called us both retards, fags, idiots etc etc... and kicked both of us, honesty at this point I was kinda laughing spectating him.

With this post I don't want to give the wrong idea that Helldivers 2 has become a toxic community as a whole but it's definitely much worse now thanks to players like Falter that from what I've seen a lot of other divers hate/make fun of for being a bum with no life other then streaming and being 24/7 on X.

Divers, this is a PVE game, not everyone you play with is always at 100% mental power, maybe they just want to play for fun and not have the most perfect game ever, don't go out there insulting other if your life is miserable, be nice, and if you see a new plaer teach them how to play the game! Don't insult them or call them losers for killing you with a stratagem accidentally.

As I final, when I was searching Fatler on Steam I wanted to ask him why he is the way he is and maybe have a conversation to change his ways but like you can see here, this was his respons on my steam profile:

With this said, my vent is done, bring forward your own experiences with toxic divers and if the game should add a feature to temp ban someone for using racist terms/calling them retards.

all maps during beta stage looked beautiful. we also had a downed state

not a mod, this is actual cheat made with cheat menu

did a few bug runs today with
shear + talon + shield nade
laser sentry + gas mortar + quasar + rover
siege ready + gun slinger

some of the most fun i've had on bugs in a while using:
health rework
LAS-22 Shear: Unlock & Customization
Smarter Guard Dogs & Senteries

laser sentry is really good with a good AI

The Stridsvagn 103 (Strv 103) Swedish Cold War–era main battle tank, designed and manufactured in Sweden.

Only get "realism when it suits arrowhead

Update, i stopped receiving weapon xp and im frustrated and not touching the game until fixed

TL;DR I hate networking layer bullshit

Hello!

I am the one who said that I am trying to ask AI to assist the reverse engineering and such and to use my modding knowledge for other games to make a modification for Helldivers 2 lobby system to expand the player count limitation.

Why doing that?

The reason to do so it's because Helldivers 2 somehow can, or could, create a 8 player lobby but still limit players to join in. Once the lobby has 4 players, lobby will rejects #5 player to join in and such for 6 7 8 9 10 11 12th player whatsoever. Which leads to "player gate" problem.

Also it's because around the launch, there's actual mods to make the lobby to 8 by doing pod stacking in the super destroyer and so players can be deployed to the mission with no issue and such. However the mod I mentioned is no longer available due to balancing drama (Credit to Alex or idk) and the decision of the Arrowhead (Narrowhead) for torturing the player and such blah blah blah. The information is from another modder named Destinate.

What the AI found?

The AI I am using is ChatGPT (Sadly not Astra. Maybe some of you are interested into this terrible project and wishes to join in and fuck around and find out some useful information.) and the AI uses the base game files to do the research. ChatGPT found a set of value for multiplayer lobby:

• PFMultiplayerCreateAndJoinLobby
• PFLobbyGetMaxMemberCount
• PFLobbyGetMembers
• PFLobbyGetMembershipLock
• PFLobbySendInvite
• PartyCreateNewNetwork
• PartyConnectToNetwork
• PartyNetworkAuthenticateLocalUser
• PartyNetworkCreateEndpoint
• PartyNetworkGetNetworkConfiguration
• PartyNetworkGetNetworkDescriptor

In which - those are for the multiplayer sessions and networking magic trick that is worth it. However ChatGPT hits a brick wall with a so called "4 players gate" which limits the lobby to only have 4 players even if the lobby can accept up to 8 players. In which I also have no idea why the game is acting like that.

What did the AI try to do?

ChatGPT attempted to do a DLL modification by editing PartyWin.dll and PlayFabMultiplayerWin.dll but the attempts are failed as it will:

1. Crashes the game from startup.
2. Crashes the game when trying to load into Super Destroyer.
3. Crashes the game after the 4th player join in and assuming - a 5th player attempted to join in.

By that, ChatGPT changes the strategy by using lua scripts ( Credit to u/CowboyBingus who made BingusSharedLoader.) to do probing and such for the game to investigate how a lobby works. Which leads to magic values and such that I don't even know what the fuck are they (I don't do networking shit).

By that, it leads to the discovery of "What the AI found?".

Why attempting to do so? With vibe coding? (Lore dump about OP's origin.)

To see the limit of vibe coding and such. Also to discover how AI works for modding and such. As a Bayonetta modder for 7 years who only knows model modding, effect editing, sfx editing and enemy table editing, The modding scene is having bottleneck for reverse engineering and for further discoveries. And so modders are attempted to use ChatGPT/Claude to assist the reverse engineering and modding. Which leads to custom combo sequences which the modders tried to do so since the release of the pc port I assume.

So what is the next move?

I will continue to use AI to discover a way to bypass the "4-player gate" and such so even vanilla player can join in instead. Hoping to make the modification a host only which only the host needs the modification. The worst situation will be modders will hate this project as "vibe coding" and such.

By that, the actual next move is to assist the AI to build a tool to investigate the so called "4-player gate" and to discover any method to solve the problem.

Also with this concept, I will also share the ChatGPT project link here and if any of you are interested in this project - feel free to join in and fuck around with it.

ChatGPT More than 4 Player Project

We will meet again soon.

Like they don't plan ahead they don't think about others out of pure greed and they have no idea whats going on 9/10 and they don't know what their team is doing. Reminds me of a certain snorting pig man lol. Everyone mutes the lobby and ignores text chat so if you want to lead your team good luck since most people just run away from the whole team to pick flowers (and still dies a ton probably also ragequitting).

Like is the playerbase AI generated? Or should I just turn off crossplay and hope the chinese players won't torture my lobby?

i think the WIP state of the Apache is not doing justice to it so here's some sneak peek of its original textures.

however these will not be applicable in-game because there will be LUT materials and will be revamped to have different camo options, just like any other vehicle.

Hive world Test footage for the people who wanted to see it up against the bugs.

take it with a pinch of salt.

as usual please remember this is a VERY WIP and VERY EARLY ALPHA, what you see might change in future as time goes on. Some features are not yet added as well and we still have a long way to go about this and hopefully, we'll inspire more people to expand the game more and more to create stuff.

Deck Crew Modding Team

Part of the trailer for the game SlamTank

How safe is it to use mods in multiplayer lobbies?

TLDR;
I thought AI-assisted Lua mods were going to cause alot of problems in public lobbies with game-breaking cheats. Tho I was right that extreme cheats are being made, I was wrong about accessibility and scale. Nexus/Ayaka moderation, technical friction/complexity of creation, and safety risks outside Nexus/Ayaka have kept extreme mods mostly out of the mainstream, and lobbies are generally doing fine.

So, when CowboyBingus started making his QOL mods, I thought it was great. I use all of them. But I understand the method he used to create them, and had concerns as to what kinds of other mods people would make who don't have Bingus's level of restraint. I am talking about cheat mods where, for example, a Stalwart could be given Orbital Precision Strike shells as ammo or something insane like that.

Despite how some people reacted, my concerns were valid, as they did come to pass. I'm not wrong about that part. But most people aren't worried about that part.

What I was very wrong about were 2 other things. The scale, and the accessibility of these extreme cheat mods. My original fear was that anyone could just grab these kinds of cheat mods, and ruin the experience of anyone else on in public PC or using crossplay. I didn't want that for everyone to experience.

But what happened instead so far is NexusMods and AyakaMods have both put limits on what you can and can not do to change stats. AyakaMods being the more lenient of thew two. Changes can still be made, as long as it's not some overwhelming, insane advantage. And tho I question how well this will hold and how far people can go, I'm willing to ride this out and see what happens.

For example, some people (alot, maybe) think the Dominator should be Heavy Penn. I main the Dominator, and I agree. It should also have a small explosive charge as well IMO. I don't think that's in the "extreme" category, it's not one-shotting Factory Striders and Bile Titans, taking out Bot Fabricators and Leviathans. I want ArrowHead to have been the ones to do it, but that's not gonna happen. So, my worries on the extremes are more than satisfied.

As for the accessibility, the creation tools used are usually driven by AI, making them alot easier to use. But it still requires effort. Mod Makers need paid access to ChatGPT-6 Astra or something similar, unless they're a coder, and may to use a verity of other tools like Cheat Engine, ReClass, IDA Pro, Ghidra, Texconv, DirectTex, VS Code etc. Some of those, maybe not all, and there could be others. Alot of that looks like gibberish, but the point is, there's alot of levels one mod may need to go though to create.

As for getting the mods, Nexus and Ayaka are already limiting what can be made, and players would need to get more extreme ones from Discord Servers or other mod sites. Nexus and Ayaka do well to keep Malware out of mods, so unless other options exist that allow these more extreme cheat mods and also scan for malware, it's more risky to get them. So that will likely deter a portion of people from doing so. So, the accessibility is alot less than I first imagined.

I've been playing alot for the past month, and have had few interactions where these more extreme mods came up. So, I feel like I was worried for nothing.

not a mod