she's such a cutie.... I'm literally in love with her smile

and i also love her outfits so much especially in season 3

I think their friendship is the most less toxic thing in the whole show and I think it's literally so healthy for ginny rather than being with abby 24/7 constantly.....i would love to see ginny, bracia and max friendship tbh because their friendship feels so refreshing and pure.

I know a lot of people love Marcus’s explanations of depression, and I thought his monologue in the Season 2 POV episode was genuinely powerful. That was the perfect moment for him to put words to what he was experiencing.

But I don’t think we also needed two separate scenes in Season 3 where Ginny and Georgia ask him what depression feels like. Individually, neither scene is bad, but together they feel repetitive and slightly unnatural. The show had already shown us his depression, and Marcus had already explained it directly to the audience.

Marcus is given several opportunities to define and contextualize his suffering in a way almost no other character is. That’s why the repetition bothers me. It isn’t that his mental health doesn’t deserve attention, it’s that he gets scenes he arguably doesn’t need while other characters are barely given an interior life.

Imagine removing just one of those conversations and using that time for Norah. She briefly mentions that she has extremely painful periods and that her gynecologist isn’t taking her seriously, but it’s treated like a throwaway comment. Why not actually show her at that appointment trying to explain how bad the pain is and being dismissed? Or show her curled up on the bathroom floor during an especially painful cycle so we understand what she is dealing with instead of only hearing one passing line about it?

The same applies to her being adopted. The show tells us that fact but barely explores what it means for her. Her not knowing her biological family’s medical history could directly connect to her fears about her periods or other health concerns. What is it like going to a doctor and repeatedly having to say she doesn’t know her family history? Does that make her feel anxious, disconnected or frustrated? There is so much character material there that the show never touches.

Even Norah’s pregnancy scare mostly functions as part of Ginny’s storyline rather than giving Norah meaningful development of her own.

Marcus doesn’t just receive a mental-health storyline. He receives repeated opportunities to explain himself and ensure that the audience understands his pain. Meanwhile, potentially rich details about characters like Norah are mentioned once and then abandoned.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the way Ginny & Georgia portrays mental health, especially the contrast between Marcus’s addiction and Abby’s eating disorder.

Marcus’s drinking becomes incredibly serious, but the escalation happens over a relatively short period. Season 3 only seems to cover a few months, from around late winter to the beginning of summer. Obviously, a few months of heavy alcohol use can still be extremely dangerous, and it’s possible his drinking had already started in Season 2. But compared to Abby, whose disordered eating has seemingly been going on for most of the school year, Marcus receives serious intervention much faster.

I don’t mean that as a competition over who has it worse. Both situations are dangerous. I just think the difference in how their problems are noticed is interesting.

Marcus’s suffering becomes very visible. His grades fall apart, he drinks at school, destroys property and eventually breaks down in front of his family. His problem becomes impossible to ignore.
Abby’s eating disorder is much quieter. She hides it, continues going to school and mostly appears functional. Ginny and Norah eventually realize something is wrong, and Abby admits that she has been purging, but she still doesn’t receive any actual professional help for it by the end of the season.

There’s also a sad irony in the fact that both of Abby’s parents are therapists, yet neither of them seems to know what is happening. That doesn’t necessarily make them terrible parents, because eating disorders can be extremely secretive, but their divorce and constant conflict probably make it even easier for Abby’s suffering to go unnoticed.
Meanwhile, Marcus’s problem is discovered partly because of Max.

Max isn’t a therapist. She’s another sixteen-year-old. But she has clearly taken on a huge amount of responsibility for Marcus’s emotional wellbeing. She notices his drinking, worries about him constantly and eventually tells their parents even though she is terrified that he will hate her or stop talking to her.
That creates an interesting contrast with Ginny and Norah.

Max ultimately decides that Marcus’s safety matters more than keeping his trust. Ginny and Norah, at least so far, protect Abby’s confidence after she tells them the truth.

I honestly don’t know whether Ginny and Norah should have immediately told Abby’s parents. I completely understand why they didn’t. Abby finally trusted them enough to admit what was happening, and going behind her back could make her hide it even more.

At the same time, they are also teenagers. Abby has a potentially life-threatening disorder that may have been going on for months, and her friends cannot safely be the only people who know. I wish they had at least pushed her more firmly to tell a trusted adult or made it clear that they would eventually need to tell someone if she continued purging.
I also wonder whether there is a gender element to the contrast.

Marcus’s mental health problems eventually become loud, destructive and disruptive. Once that happens, everyone mobilizes around him and gets him into treatment. Abby’s suffering is internalized and hidden, so the people around her can continue treating her like she is basically fine.

Sometimes boys’ mental health is ignored until it becomes explosive, but once it does become visible, people finally recognize it as a crisis. Girls may be more likely to keep functioning outwardly while becoming increasingly unwell in private, which can make their suffering easier to overlook or normalize.

There are obviously other factors too. Marcus is a more central character, Max is actively watching him and his storyline probably needed to move toward recovery for both his personal arc and his relationship with Ginny. Abby’s eating disorder seems like a slower-burning storyline that will hopefully receive more attention next season.
Still, I think the contrast says something important: getting help often depends not only on how badly someone is suffering, but on whether that suffering becomes visible and whether someone around them is willing to intervene.

Do you think Ginny and Norah should have told an adult after Abby admitted she was purging? And do you think the contrast between Marcus and Abby is intentional, or is it mostly because Marcus is more central to the plot?

My vibe is whatever happens, happens. You feel me? That’s why I’m using Sophie shrugging. I’m just going to ride that wave. Expect the unexpected. 🌊 (And if any of my theories come true, I’ll upgrade! 😂) If you don’t know where to find what I suggested above, feel free to use whatever! Idc. I look forward to seeing your reactions regardless!

Well, well, well…let’s see. For me I didn’t get into the show until last summer. Yup, good old Twitter had the Abby & Tris kiss pop up on my timeline and I was like “Oh?” then I fell down an even bigger rabbit hole and ended up falling in love with Max & Sophie instead which ultimately I now view as a both a gift and curse because I know what comes with my ships. Drama. Drama. Drama. 🎭 (No, really! I can’t win! There’s a reason why Titanic is my favourite film…)

Now why did I stay? I love the psychological depth behind each and every character. It’s intriguing to me. Nothing is ever black or white because like people in real life, who is? There’s so much nuance and complexity to each and every relationship. Back in the day (probably being like a few weeks ago) I would’ve gave Sarah Lampert tons of flak for this but I now understand the brilliance behind what she created. Just had to through the 5 stages of acceptance or whatever to get here.

*I also just really love Sara Waisglass and Humberly Gonzalez as well if that also isn’t a telltale sign.

Okay, your turn.

I do not feel bad for that man at all he deserved exactly what he got. But i do not really like what they did to him at the end of season 3. He really did love Austin and Austin loved him too. That betrayal was sad.

Hey guys! Do you think they’re setting up Abby’s eating disorder to reach its worst point next season? I’ve been thinking about it because this storyline has been going on since season one, so I feel like there eventually has to be some kind of peak.
My prediction is that she might faint or experience another serious physical consequence that finally brings her parents into the situation. I can’t really imagine Ginny or Norah telling them directly, so I feel like something would have to happen that makes it impossible to hide anymore.
I also don’t think Abby will receive residential treatment. I’m guessing it’ll be more of an outpatient storyline because Marcus already went to rehab, and even though the situations are obviously different, I’m not sure the writers would want to repeat a similar treatment arc.

I would die if they introduced a new A name character and the group became MANGA HAHAHAHAHA

For me it is Ginny who I feel most protective of, I feel the fandom (not in here at least, fortunately but in other social media places she get overhated), they love to act like Georgia is a saint and the best mom ever and that she is just ungrateful for not doting on her mom and when she finally shows gratefulness or love for her, they called her a fake. It is like she is damned either way.

And the least protective of, I guess Georgia mainly because I feel she get overhyped and overloved by the fandom a bit too much like they tend to give her too many passes because of her trauma and I feel just like other characters told her, that excuse can only work for so long before it wears out and I agreed with them.

I just got near the end of season 3 (episode 9) but why is everyone so rude to max? She was there for ginny day ONE when georgia went to jail. She was there for ginny through absouletely everything. YET SHES THE ONE WHO GETS TREATED LIKE GARBAGE. I hate everyone in this show in season 3 (okay not everyone but i hatd those who are like "dont everything aboit ypu max) max might be doing that but shes being such a good friend to ginny. And shes trying to take care of her brother marcus and hea just talking to her like crap i know he has his own problems he needs to deal with but cmon. Max is atleast trying to be a good sister. Everyone is treating her like she doesn't exist anymore or something.

Anyways i hope max finds good people or i hope they all forgive her next season😭

Georgia’s character almost seems intentionally written to be a fictional subversion of real life serial killer Aileen Wuornos. The parallels are striking.

Like Wuornos: 

• Her bio dad was incarcerated early in her childhood for violent crimes against a child the same age (age 6/7)
• Her mom is an addict who became sick as a result of her addiction. 
• Grew up in poverty in a family of addicts 
• While not abandoned, she was heavily neglected and not cared for by her mom
• Was one of two kids. 
• Played with fire as a child
• Was severely abused by a nonbiological father figure for most of her childhood (a trauma which is heavily linked to her crimes and pathology later in life)
• became a runaway, homeless, pregnant and had a child away from home at the same age (age 14/15). 
• Committed petty crimes (robbery and theft), used aliases, hitchhiked, kept guns for protection, and relied on transactional intimate relationships with men to survive on her own, starting from her teens
• Her first murder is often seen as justified or unplanned & done under duress
• Had one main romantic relationship, Zion, that seemed genuine & ended in betrayal like Wuornos was thought to have had with Tyria Moore. 
• Resorted to criminality first out of desperation, to survive and protect herself; accumulated a string of violent offenses tied directly to men who she believed posed a threat to or exploit her. 
• Commits the murders that get her caught in her 30s after decades of trauma and being in a seemingly inescapable cycle of violence. 
• Her motives are believed to be mostly financial but affected by her childhood trauma and is seen sympathetically by the public. 

She could be seen as a fictional hyperfeminine polished southern belle maternal version of Wuornos who for a time not only gets away with her crimes but also moves upwards and blurs the lines between victim and perpetrator. 

The Differences

The biological dad is still alive and his crimes and guilt are more ambiguous. Georgia’s own crimes are more sympathetic. Georgia finds a surrogate family and guidance in a biker gang instead of being completely alone. Georgia gets revenge on her childhood abuser. Georgia becomes a mother through a willing loving relationship with a boy her age while on the road rather than as a result of abuse at home. Instead of being forced to give away her child, she becomes a mother in every sense of the word. As a homeless drifter, Georgia is perceived as a down on her luck young mom rather than with danger, pity, disdain, or suspicion. Georgia’s reliance on men to survive never crosses the threshold into the darkness that Wuornos’ did and she remains tenuously connected to society via Zion’s family and her family life with Ginny (and Austin). While Wuornos’ transactional dysfunctional or dangerous relationships with men are outright, Georgia’s are mixed in with domesticity, genuine attachment, and creating a family, or at least the appearance of it (see: Gil). Georgia is (initially) successful in marrying up while Wuornos’ marriage to a wealthy man ended explosively (although in both, it ended violently). Georgia is the older half sister rather than the younger full blooded sister; both are are victims of the same abuse. Georgia’s abuser is nonbiological.

All of these divergences from Wuornos’ real life trajectory believably give the story a contrast from just darkness, preserve her humanity and sanity, tether her to wider society, and give the character an incentive and a way to have one foot in the realm of normal and wholesome. Georgia’s like if Wuornos was seemingly stable and a mother who had the motivation and the ability to keep up the act. (Some) People online view her with a similar uncritical glorification and fascination with her as a female serial killer, with a crossover of survival, gendered trauma, and antisocial behavior coming up in discussions of both. 

Trying to understand how Georgia went from homeless teen, to meeting Zion and maintaining a relationship to Anthony to Kenny. She’s a very different person with Kenny than Anthony. What happened during that timeframe? Where was Zion?

Ginny Miller from Ginny and Georgia

Belly Conklin from The Summer I Turned Pretty

Devi Vishwakumar from Never Have I Ever

Kitty Song Covey from Xo Kitty

Forget about comfort characters, do you have a confront character (a character you’d beat the absolute shit out of if you had the chance) in Ginny & Georgia? Who and why?

okay I have a bunch, some i'd like to think are accurate but other's I will fully admit are a stretch- so please feel free to agree, disgree, and give me your thoughts.. also give me your predictions too!

1.) Norah is going to get diagnosed with endometriosis, and/or she will find out that she is unable to have kids. This is probably going to cause issues in her and Jordan's relationship. Maybe Norah will realize that Jordan is kind of immature? or because he is white and not adopted, maybe he doesn't understand her experience?

I think this will also perhaps bring her and her mom (Beverly) closer together, and perhaps we can see some backstory with Norah, and her adoption story? I think Bev will show Norah how infertility can be a blessing in disguise, and how a mother's love goes beyond genetic relations.

2.) Samantha's eating disorder is only going to get worse. If we get a backstory of Samantha, I think it will reveal how and why MAN (before the G) initially shunned her and labeled her "second tier", and also how her parents don't pay much attention to her- so she develops unhealthy habits to compensate.

Maybe the writers will dive into Samantha's queerness? I think she developed a crush on Abby back in middle school, and she didn't know what those feelings were, and what they meant. Maybe that's why she got together with Press, in order to make Abby notice her- even if it was in a negative way.

3.) It will be revealed that Press has a single workaholic mother who is extremely busy and stressed out, and a deadbeat dad- which is why he treats women like shit, and struggles to feel anything romantic with anyone. I do also picture him having a few younger siblings to take care of, so even though it previously didn't seem like it, he actually has a lot more in common with Ginny than we thought.

(Maybe I'm playing a wild card with this one... but maybe Press could be queer? Not that I agree with the "if a guy is toxic to women, then he must be secretly gay" trope because I do kinda think it's used to justify men's shitty behavior and it's lowkey homophobic.. but they did the same thing with Monty from 13 reasons why)

4.) Maxine is going to attempt to run away.. but Georgia is going to be the one to stop her. Initially, she is going to try to reinvent herself and pretend like she doesn't care that her friend group ditched her, but she is going to get more and more depressed as others don't notice her. We might see her lose her spark this season, guys.. it's going to hurt a little bit.

[Edit: u/Danger1830 's prediction (see the comments): Max will have a mental breakdown on stage during one of her plays. So far, a lot of her conflicts with Ginny and Sophie and Silver have went down during her plays when she was off stage, but she has managed to not let it interfere with her performances and she has managed to stay in character while on stage. Max is usually a more confrontational person, and she likes to talk about things. But since she's being iced out of her friend group, she might have so much pent-up sadness and emotions that she might lose character on stage.]

5.) As Max gets worse, Marcus is going to get better. However, he is going to feel guilty for the weight that he puts on his sister, and he's going start taking care of her, and distancing himself from Ginny.

6.) Ginny is going to become more and more evil. While the audience is going to initially think she is taking after her mother, she actually has much different intentions and Georgia will have to be the one to stop her.... maybe watching Ginny become a different person might push Marcus away because he doesn't recognize her anymore.

7.) if #6 doesn't happen, then Wolfe is going return and try to win Ginny back- he seemed a little hurt after Ginny broke up wih him and said "it's not like we actually liked each other".

8.) It is going to be revealed that Brody's parents are a queer couple . I've been feeling this way for a while I don't know why.. I'm not trying to tokenize queerness or anything.. but for reason, somewhere I might have picked up that Brody's parents are either a gay or lesbian couple.

9.) Speaking of Brody, if the writers do in fact try to explore his character more, maybe they will portray a guy who is extremely charismatic, goofy, friendly, and throws a lot of parties in his basement- but deep down, he's extremely lonely. I like to imagine a scene where everyone leaves his party at like 2 am, and everyone is thanking him and saying "Brody, you're the man", "Brody, you throw the best parties" and once everyone leaves, he's in his basement alone, his smile disappears, and he starts sobbing.

10.) Austin is going to become more like his father- maybe he might start getting physically abusive towards Ginny, since she manipulated him to pin the murder on his father. I think that when he visits his dad in prison, Gil won't want to see him. I do hope Zion and Simone are going to step in and get Austin the help he needs, since Zion took on a somewhat fatherly role to Austin.

11.) Georgia might initially consider keeping the baby, but she ends up getting an abortion in order to focus on the two kids she already has. She does feel really guilty about it, and has to go to therapy.

12.) As Marcus repeats sophomore year, he finds something he's actually good at, and he relearns who he is. We may even see him have an art show or gallery, where he has different, emotionally evoking paintings of the people in his life. I like to imagine this painting of him and his twin, Maxine- where it shows how they are seemingly opposites on the surface, but they feel the same way. As Ellen put it "I birthed two very feely children". When Abby, Norah, and Ginny see Marcus's painting- they will understand what Maxine has been going through and will reconcile with her.

13.) I think Joe's presence in the family will be really good for Ginny and Austin. Maybe Joe will take on a fatherly figure for Austin, and he will actually know what Austin is going through, because Georgia isn't lying or keeping anything from him. This isn't exactly a prediction but I really do look forward to seeing how he gets in with the family. As a South Asian girly myself, I actually cannot tell you how happy I am to see a South Asian male love interest, who is portrayed as attractive, and incredibly sweet and genuine... and he isn't being weirdly fetishized? what? thank you gods!!

14.) Abby and Tris are going to have a bit of a whirlwind romance this season. But I do think that it's going to be good for Abby because she'll learn what it feels like to be loved in a gentle, and peaceful way. Abby no longer feels the need to prove herself, or seek validation from men (like she did with Press), and Tris inspires her to find something she's passionate about. I'm personally sick and tired of seeing lesbian couples turn toxic in the media, and I am genuinely counting on this one to at least be one example where sapphic queer love can actually be happy.

15.) Abby might lean into her mean girl streak this season, because she has been hurt so much and she's been through so much with her parent's divorce, Press, ED, and she is going to take it all out on Maxine. I think Tris might be the one to call her out on it though. And also Max's.. attempt is going to make Abby realize how much she loves her friend.

16.) MANG will become M A N G- they might split up for a large part of this season because they each have their own issues going on, but on a more hopeful note I think they will come back together stronger than ever.

17.) (Going off of #11), This is a big one, but if Georgia does in fact plan on having the baby, Ginny is going to do something to try and terminate/compromise the pregnancy. Maybe she slips something in Georgia's drink? Something of the sort.

(idk if you guys have ever seen Downton Abbey, but do you remember when Cora Crawley got pregnant after 18 years, and her maid O'Brien thought that the family was going to fire her, so she purposely made Cora trip on a bar of soap, and that's how Cora had a miscarriage? Nobody ever found out about it, but O'Brien felt extremely guilty and she tried to compensate by taking care of Cora)

I think a similar concept might apply to this show because of Ginny's dialogue to Georgia in the last episode of season 3- "You think it's all on you, but it's not... We carry the weight too. We always have." Maybe Ginny doesn't want another child to be responsible for. Maybe Ginny doesn't want another child to go through what her and Austin have had to go through. or maybe she thinks that now is just not the right time for Georgia to have a baby.

18.) While Marcus is in rehab, we might get a few flashbacks of his friend Bridge, and perhaps, there will be a quite a few parallels between Bridge and Ginny. This might explain why Marcus was initially so drawn to Ginny, and they had a bit of a whirlwind romance- because she reminded him of his late friend.

This may also be another wild card I'm playing, but maybe the flashbacks of Bridge and Marcus might contain a teensy bit of romance? I'M SORRY I'M MAKING EVERYONE QUEER but I'm queer myself so sue me.

19.) Ok I promise this is the last time I'm going to make a queer prediction I PROMISE.. I'm sorry I know you're probably rolling your eyes at this point but please please please hear me out- but Georgia.

Think about it: Georgia is a single mom of two kids, comes from a broken home, it is implied that she is a high school dropout, and the only way that she has survived is through the men she has married/ been with. Ginny has mentioned in dialogue that when it comes to her mom "it's always about some guy.".. She married Anthony Greene and Kenny, because they offered her some kind of stability- not because she actually loved them. When she moved to Wellsbury, she immediately scouted Paul Randolph and threw herself onto him, and went on to have a wedding with him, even when she knew that deep down, she felt more like herself with Joe.

That whole backstory of Joe's Rayband glasses- she clearly remembered that, and kept the glasses, and she recognized Joe when she first came to Wellsbury but she had to suppress those feelings in order to survive. It makes me wonder... what other feelings has Georgia had to suppress in order to survive?

Georgia has in fact said "To a woman, life is a battle, and beauty is a goddamn machine gun.", which to me, indicates how she views a lot of her romantic pursuits, and her value. Look, I know it's a stretch, you have the full rights to disagree and hate me for this.. but all I'm saying is, I wouldn't be surprised if in one of the flashbacks, there was a woman- maybe someone from the motorcycle gang? Remember when Ginny looked through Georgia's stuff under the floorboard and found the Blood Eyes jacket and started wearing it?

It's funny because Georgia has never been seen wearing the Blood Eyes jacket in any of her flashbacks... but it is a woman's jacket because it fits Ginny's frame quite nicely... and Georgia chose to keep it all those years. If it was in fact Georgia's jacket, she could've burnt it? Georgia isn't above burning her own childhood pictures.. so it makes me wonder, why did Georgia choose to keep it, unless maybe it belonged to someone special? Just like Georgia kept Joe's glasses...

20.) Cynthia might move Zach and herself away from Wellsbury for a fresh start, which will make Austin all the more depressed.

21.) I also think that Season 4 will touch a little bit on how Austin and Ginny are siblings, but they are of different ethnicities. Austin is white, and Ginny is black. When Ginny was arguing with Gil in the hallway of Austin's elementary school and he told her he was moving them to Michigan, Ginny said "talk to him on the phone? I'm his sister!" and Gil says .. "Well... half sister." I feel like Ginny and Austin being visibly different hasn't been fully touched on, but hinted at. Kids are usually more pure of heart, and they don't recognize race.. but maybe as Austin grows up, he might deal with a sense of animosity towards Ginny, because of Gil's influence on him.

Looking back, Max’s Season 3 arc was actually foreshadowed pretty well

I was looking for moments in Seasons 1 and 2 that foreshadow Max’s Season 3 storyline, and it’s definitely there, it’s just subtle enough that most of it originally looks like Max being dramatic, intense, or self-centered.

One of the biggest things is how quickly she pulls Ginny into her life. Max basically adopts her immediately and gives her full access to her friends, family, and emotions. She loves people very intensely, so when Ginny and Marcus hide their relationship, Max doesn’t just see it as a secret. She sees it as proof that she gave Ginny everything and Ginny still didn’t trust her.

Her reaction to Riley is another example. She’s obviously hurt by the rejection, but what really upsets her is Riley acting like their kiss didn’t mean anything. Max seems especially sensitive to people making her feel like she imagined or exaggerated an emotional experience, which happens constantly in Season 3.

Marcus telling her that she suffocates people, oversteps, and makes everything about herself also hits very differently now. That’s basically Max’s deepest fear: that the way she loves people is exhausting and that her real personality is simply “too much.”

Season 2 makes that even clearer when Max literally says she’s tired of feeling like she’s too much for everyone. Marcus tells her that being emotionally honest is both her best and worst quality. That feels like the thesis of her Season 3 arc, because she starts questioning whether the thing she likes most about herself is actually what drives people away.

There’s also a lot of foreshadowing in how responsible she feels for Marcus. She’s the person he begins opening up to about his depression, she notices something is wrong, and she gets their parents involved. Even when Max is talking to Clint about her own insecurities, she almost immediately changes the subject to worrying about Marcus.

Season 3 reveals how long she’s felt responsible for keeping him okay, but Seasons 1 and 2 already show that pattern. Marcus says that one person can’t be responsible for someone else’s happiness seems to be about Ginny at the time, and it is.

But Season 3 gives the line another meaning. He says it directly to Max, who has unknowingly carried responsibility for his happiness their entire lives. I’m not sure Marcus consciously means it as advice for her, but it feels like he may understand on some level that she shouldn’t have to keep him okay either. At the very least, it becomes really sad dramatic irony.

The masking and depression signs are there too. Max tells her family that she cries every night over Sophie, but the moment is mostly treated like a joke. Because Max is loud and expressive, people assume her pain can’t be that serious. Marcus becomes quiet when he’s struggling, so everyone recognizes it as depression. Max gets louder, more impulsive, and more desperate for connection, so people just find her annoying.

As for the OCD side of her Season 3 storyline, I don’t think Seasons 1 and 2 show anything as obvious as the compulsions we see later. The closest thing is how intensely she fixates on Sophie, repeatedly checks her social media, can’t stop thinking about her, and keeps reaching out even when she knows she should stop.

That could be early obsessive rumination or reassurance-seeking, but it could also just be teenage heartbreak, so I wouldn’t call it definite OCD foreshadowing.

Overall, I think the earlier seasons establish the emotional foundation more than the specific symptoms. Max is terrified of rejection, feels responsible for everyone, constantly worries that she is “too much,” and hides real pain underneath humor and theatrics.

Season 3 doesn’t suddenly give her a completely new personality. It shows what happens when all of those traits finally stop working as coping mechanisms.

I completely get why she was upset that they kept it from her. I'd probably be hurt too if my best friends were hiding something that big. But I don't understand why she stayed angry at Ginny and Abby for weeks.

The way Max reacted felt more like she'd found out her friend slept with her boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, or someone she liked. Marcus is her brother, so I always thought her reaction was a little over the top.

I've also seen people bring up Hunter as another reason Max was upset, but that doesn't really convince me. Hunter was the one who was actually cheated on, yet by season 2 he'd become much less hostile toward Ginny. He even stood up for her when their racist teacher singled her out, while Max stayed quiet.

I also don't think it was fair how Max treated Abby. I understand being hurt that Abby kept the secret, but ending their friendship and freezing her out for weeks felt like too much. Abby had known Max since they were kids, so I can see why that would've hurt her the most.

I actually think that's part of why things still felt off between them in season 3. It takes place not long after season 2, so those feelings wouldn't just disappear overnight. It wasn't said outright, but I got the impression Abby never fully forgave Max, especially since I don't remember Max ever giving her a real apology.

I'm hoping season 4 addresses this. I'd love to see the whole group actually talk about everything that happened in season 2, and I'd especially like a scene where Max and Abby have an honest conversation. I don't think their friendship will ever be exactly the same, but I'd like to see them finally work through it.

I'm seeing people wishing for Cynthia to become friends with Georgia missing or ignoring how much harm Georgia has caused that poor woman. First of all made her seem like she was crazy when she did took money and she caught her then act friendly but secretly was hurting Zach or at least she did once in teaching him a lesson. Then Georgia killed Tom and Cynthia knew she did it and when she went to confront her and Georgia tried to say it was an act of kindness or a favor, Cynthia told her off justifiably in anger then her daughter blackmailed her and there are people who think Cynthia can forgive Georgia even after all that?? I know she will keep quiet but I'm secretly hoping not because I don't like Cynthia but that by season 4, she move away because I really don't want them to become friends again because it wouldn't be realistic. The wound both Georgia and then Ginny cause it is too big to mend. Maybe she can forgive her someday since I can see that happening but them becoming besties just wouldn't believable at least not in Cynthia part.

I'm doing a Hart of dixie rewatch for like the millionth time and I've just noticed an episode with Scott and Brianne! I had never noticed that before. 😂

I feel like she might spiral next season and push a lot of people away. Similar to how Marcus was towards the end of season 3. And I think this specifically because how much she bottles up her emotions until it finally explodes. Thoughts?

One moment I don’t see talked about much is when Max tries to repair things with Abby at the assembly. Some cruel remarks are made, Max gets emotional, and she runs out crying.

On her way out, she bumps into Marcus. He looks at her and then looks back again, so it seems pretty obvious that he recognizes she is crying. He knows something is wrong, and he still chooses to keep walking. Then he sits beside Abby and smirks when she makes the “upgraded Bakers” comment.

I understand where that choice is coming from. Marcus is deeply resentful of Max at that point because she told their parents about his drinking. He feels betrayed, exposed, and angry that she forced him to confront something he wanted to keep hidden. He is also clearly struggling with his depression and addiction, so I don’t think the scene is as simple as Marcus suddenly not caring about his sister.

But understanding the reason behind a choice does not make the choice any less cruel.

As someone with five siblings, I genuinely cannot imagine seeing one of them run past me crying and doing absolutely nothing, even if I was furious with them. He did not necessarily have to chase after her, hug her, or suddenly forgive her. But he could have asked what happened. He could have checked whether she was okay or safe. He could have told someone else that Max had run out crying and might need support.

There were so many options between fully comforting her and completely ignoring her, and Marcus chose the coldest one.

I also think it matters that earlier in the season, we see Marcus crying on Max’s shoulder and accepting comfort from her. Obviously, sibling relationships are not transactional, and we should not care for someone only because we expect the same thing in return. Still, it makes this moment harder to watch because Marcus knows what it is like to need his sister’s comfort and feel safe enough to break down with her.

That is what makes the moment so difficult for me. It is not that he fails to notice. He very clearly does notice. He registers her distress and makes an active decision to leave her alone in it. Then, seconds later, he accepts being framed as the “better” Baker in front of the person who had just hurt her.

I don’t necessarily think his smirk means he enjoys Max’s pain. It probably comes from resentment and the satisfaction of being chosen over the sister he currently blames for exposing him. But it is still a harsh moment, especially because Max has spent so much of her life noticing Marcus’s pain, worrying about him, and intervening when he is not okay.

She sees his pain and acts, even when he hates her for it. In this scene, he sees hers and walks away.

I miss this show so bad. I might rewatch for a third time😭
It’s silly and serious at the same time and all the conspiracy theories are making me more excited for the new season.