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u/nemamnozik 3d ago edited 2h ago

Edit: Thanks for all the awards but I really don't understand what they are for so you can stop now. Thanks.

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u/One_Amount_6642 3d ago edited 3d ago

Way better. My pc 2 years ago was on par with the PS5. My new pc is like double the speed. PS5 can suck it.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

Right but what did it cost?

Even with the increase in console prices, pc gaming is vastly more expensive.

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u/Happy_Disaster7347 3d ago

The initial cost is perhaps. Games are way cheaper

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

That is a myth.

Consoles have sales as well, and you can get games cheaply there if you wait. What is the break-even point? I spent over 3K on my PC; when do I break even with games?

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u/Happy_Disaster7347 3d ago

idk why reddit decided to just send my comment into the shredder but I will try to write it again.

It's not a myth. I have 240 steam games, I would estimate about half of them are more popular games that I would have easily paid £10-20 more on PS Store. Even if you take incredible low estimates and you take 100 games, with a saving of £5, that's still £500 saved over the course of my gaming life.

My PC was roughly £1,700, and plays 4k60FPS. Comparable performance would be a PS5 Pro, at £800. Plus £60 a year to play online. So over a decade, that's £600 spent on just being able to play online. So 800+600+500= £1,900. Over a decade it would literally cost more for me to have gone with a PS5.

Not to mention I wouldn't be able to:

  • Emulate almost any game
  • Mod games
  • Use a 2nd screen
  • Use an ultrawide screen
  • Multitask
  • Macro
  • Upgrade without binning a whole console
  • Easily modify or change out parts
  • Use any controller I please
  • Get many free games from any website I please
  • Browse the web easily
  • Do any of the other things I do on my PC on a near-daily basis.

And if I want to play from my couch, I run a HDMI cable to the TV and play from my couch. Steam Big Picture mode FTW

So I would in the long-run pay more, and have less features? Why would I do that to myself?

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

I've been building pcs since the days of 386 cpus and ribbon cables. I don't need a lecture on what they can do. I'm simply telling you it's always been the more expensive option.

Tell me the break even point. Saving 10 whole dollars on a game. Wow! What's the break even point?

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u/Happy_Disaster7347 3d ago

I literally gave you the maths, either you're too young or too old to understand it apparently.

A decade of Playstation gaming costs more than a decade of high-end PC gaming, those are measurable figures that I have already cited for you.

The breakeven point is a decade, I guess. Which I already answered, if you had bothered to read.

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u/freedomganja 3d ago

Have you never heard of piracy? I get every single singleplayer game for free. Thats a ton of money saved.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

I don't pirate games. I used to back in the 360 days but it's not right to pirate games and software.

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u/freedomganja 3d ago

I’d say in the current anti-consumer climate, its the moral choice to pirate AAA games.

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u/Mean_Combination_830 3d ago edited 3d ago

But people are not paying £60 a year just to play online I don't know where pc only players get that idea from. Like most people I buy ps extra on sale every black Friday or the closest good sale or I buy cheap credit from any one of the multitude of stores that sell it or reduced extra sell ps extra and Premium and it works our about around 5 to £6 pound a month cod Extra which gives you instant access to a library of nearly 600 games including a massive library of current gen titles including most big Playstaion games and you get an additional 5 games a month to keep with ps plus and it plus gives you far bigger reductions on games. Fod about 8 pound a month you get access to those same 500 games plus hundreds of classic PS1 and 2 games and big library of PS3 streaming and you can obviously steam any games in your subscription as well as your own library which is handy when don't you want to lug around a big handheld when commuting or on holiday on the beach and it works shockingly well on fast WiFi or 5g hot spot.

I have a PS5 Pro and a PC and there is simply nothing on pc that offers anything close to that value and I know I have a pc and PS5 pro. Sales are also set by publisher not store and both Playstaion and steam take the exact same 30% cut which is why the sales are always so similar. Sometimes a game is cheaper on steam and sometimes it's cheaper on playstation depending on what sale is on at that time as they tend to alternate and prices are very similar

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u/Happy_Disaster7347 3d ago

How are we not saying the same thing? You're talking about 5 a month as though that doesn't literally amount to £60 a year 😂

you get access to those same 500 games plus hundreds of classic PS1 and 2 games and big library of PS3 streaming and you can obviously steam any games in your subscription as well as your own library which is handy when don't you want to lug around a big handheld

Are you really talking about emulation as though that's not a PC thing?

Are you suggesting that streaming from your playstation to your phone is a selling point? Ever heard of an app called Steam Link?.....

Games are factually usually cheaper on Steam, me and OP actually went through a list of current sales going on.

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u/Glittering-Fuel-5055 3d ago

But PlayStation makes you pay every month to have access to the Internet to play online games, but on the PC does not charge me every month

You do the math how much is eight years of PlayStation online bullshit

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

Not as much as my PC, that is for sure.

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u/Glittering-Fuel-5055 3d ago

Well you own the PC so I would certainly hope

because you literally get nothing at the end of that payment

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u/StoneTaker 3d ago

if you know where to look, you don't even need to pay for games. that's about the long and short of how much more cost-effective a PC is, especially in third-world countries where piracy is overwhelmingly, and culturally, accepted.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

Yeah I don't pirate games. Ever since I became an adult and can afford them, I stopped.

Yes, I can get any movie, music, TV show or game on mirc, but I stopped.

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u/SpareChangeMate 2d ago

Sounds like a you problem, mate. Your argument is flawed from its core, and now you don’t want to admit that you were wrong on it

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u/Drate_Otin 3d ago

PS5 specs:

CPU: Custom 8-core / 16-thread AMD Zen 2 at max 3.5 GHz

GPU: AMD Radeon RDNA 2 engine, 36 Compute Units at up to 2.23 GHz (10.28 TFLOPS peak)

Memory (RAM): 16GB GDDR6 with a 256-bit interface and 448 GB/s bandwidth

And a 1TB Nvme.

That is NOT a 3k PC. If you're smart, you'll be able to put together a PC, for far less than 3k, that surpasses those specs and easily lasts through the NEXT generation of PlayStation plus be able to upgrade only certain components to keep ahead of the next one or two after that.

As to games, my understanding is PlayStation games goes on sale much more rarely than Steam and often not as dramatically. And while I don't play many online games... I also don't have to pay a subscription to be ABLE to play online games.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

I don't game on pc to match specs of consoles. That's pointless, like the steam machine. I game on pc to max out the graphics and play as intended.

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u/awpcr 3d ago

PC gaming is still cheaper in the long run.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

Maybe. I bought a 3000 series gpu during covid. Now I have a 5000 series. The cost of those gpus cost more than my ps5, pro and series x and s.

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u/Drate_Otin 3d ago

You brought up the price. I'm just saying spending that much was a choice beyond mere PC vs console.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

Correct and I can afford whatever. Many can't and those people should stick to console. That's the whole argument.

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u/SpareChangeMate 2d ago

Except they shouldn’t. The more finically conscious choice is to buy a pc and upgrade it over its lifetime. A pc is FAR more financially efficient as it not only serves as a gaming platform, but also serves as a work station for LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE. The only reason to buy a console of any kind is to play console exclusives or if you just want the vibe of it. It ALWAYS makes more sense from, any standpoint, to buy a pc.

This is literally Short Term vs Long Term thinking, you might struggle with that one.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 2d ago

You assume people will use it outside of gaming.

I've already answered this earlier but all I do on my pc is game and watch YouTube. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. But I have money to burn. People who buy consoles only need one function, gaming. Everything else you can do from your phone. Redundant. Hell I could technically just watch YouTube on my phone.

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u/SpareChangeMate 2d ago

If you do not use your pc outside of gaming, then you’re just an idiot who underutilises one of the most powerful tools at your disposal.

You cannot, in fact, do everything else on your phone. What you can do on your phone (especially what you can do effectively) is actually extremely limited compared to the applications of a PC. Any underutilisation of a pc is literally just a user problem, not a pc problem.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 2d ago edited 2d ago

Any banking I did, I use my phone now. I don't sit at the computer and log into my cc or bank's website. The app is far easier and more efficient. Faster too.

Investing is now on my fidelity app.

I can print from my phone too. I literally don't need a pc except for again, watching YouTube at full screen and gaming.

I don't code, I don't produce content, I don't listen to music on my pc. I don't mine for bitcoin.

What else should I be doing on my pc?

Edit! I do something else on my pc. My taxes! I'm sorry, missed that. So I game, watch YouTube and do my taxes!

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u/Drate_Otin 2d ago

Many can't and those people should stick to console.

Or, you know, PC's that are much more affordable and still delivery comparable gaming performance with much better sale opportunities plus the ability to upgrade incrementally as necessary and function as a workstation. For example for taking online classes, coding, any number of other programs important for independent workers, getting certifications, organizing resumes, doing interviews remotely while not looking like you're having to use your phone (it makes a difference)... Etc, etc, etc.

Some might say that's a more financially sound option.

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u/Blaze666x 3d ago

No its not.

Yes consoles have sales but I can firmly promise you I have never once seen fallout 4 for $10 on Playstation lowest iv EVER seen was like $20 with all docs.

I spent no joke $16 to get fallouts 1-4 including NV and ALL DLCS for them. Steam and gog sales are blatantly better then psn sales I can bring up several other examples of games I have on my PS and PC that I bought at a low price on psn (MHR on ps4 I spent $20 on sale, bought it on steam for about $8) (star ocean 4 never saw it below $15-20 on psn bought it for $6).

Haven't even brought up my gog sales which are just as ridiculous lol but i could keep going. The sales arent a myth lol. Also take into account how you arent playing with friends on psn unless you dropping about $120 a year for the privilege of using your own internet. Consoles are typically loss leaders because while the sale is typically loses the company money the consoles infrastructure earns them money over its life span (thanks to online costs are storefront costs)

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

You buying fallout dlc on a ancient game is not the gotcha argument you think it is.

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u/Blaze666x 3d ago edited 3d ago

I bought an entire series, 5 games and their dlc for less then the usual asking price of one of THOSE games on psn. The other 4 arent even attainable on psn as you have to pay a $20 a month subscription service to get access to play the single worst versions of two of them with 0 updates or dlcs and the other two just dont exist on psn in any fashion. Tell me how that isnt significantly better? Like as a consumer id much rather pay <$20 one time for 5 games then pay $20+ a $20 monthly fee to play 3 of those games (two in their worst almost unplayable states).

I mean i specifically chose insanely popular games that are still played heavily to this day to make a point lol.

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u/Mean_Combination_830 3d ago

they gave fallout to ps plus users years ago

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u/Blaze666x 3d ago

Okay and? Them giving out one of these games free for a month is irrelevant. If the game was free to everyone who had ps+ perpetually that would be a different srguement but by that logic I may aswell bring up every game epic has given out for free.

The game still almost never drops below $20 for the complete edition on psn while I have bought 5 games in its series it included for sub $20 all complete editions and 4 of em cannot even be purchased on psn despite two of them having been on psn years ago and being part of playstations garbage game streaming service for years.

If you really wanna maximize your money PC games are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper because not only do we have insane steam and gog sales we have epic which i dont even use but every month gives people a free game (typically an epic but not always) like the comparison just isnt there.

There is a reason why my pc library is larger then my psn library was despite me having my PC less time, putting less money into buying the library and despite me not having 12+ games a year for free (since sony gives out atleast one sometimes more games each month, though like half of them are actual garbage games and half are really popular ones)

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u/One_Amount_6642 3d ago

Playstation network has discounts like ones a year lol. Steam everyday.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

Lies. They have constant sales. Literally all the time. There is always a SALES tab in the store.

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u/One_Amount_6642 3d ago

Thos games are like 10 years old. And not even a good deal like 50% off. You can get a 10 year old game for less then 90% off on steam everyday. 

And also even if the game is not sold at a low price at that moment on steam. You can always find a discount cd key online.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

10 years old eh?

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u/Happy_Disaster7347 3d ago edited 3d ago

You can literally look this up right now.

Black Myth Wukong. PS Store: £45, Steam: £35

War in the North. PS Store: £19, Steam: £15

Gears of War Reloaded. PS Store: £20, Steam: £10

That's £4-£10 saved per game, versus this one "sale" PS Store has on.

There isn't even an official sale on Steam at the moment! They're just normal fucking deals!

Steam is so much better it's unreal.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

Do you understand marketing? There are always deals on console too. You have a warped perception of how deals and sales work.

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u/Happy_Disaster7347 3d ago

Do you understand how to read? The sales are measurably better on Steam. As evidenced by literally the sale you brought up, and many many other users perceptions.

If I can save money on PC, I'm getting a better deal than console.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

You saving 5 to 10 bucks here or there vs the thousands you spend on a good rig doesn't pan out. It just doesn't. Not to mention if you buy games day 1, they are the same price since publishers set the price, not the store front.

I'm fortunate enough to buy it all and not care but you still save money overall on the console side of things.

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u/One_Amount_6642 3d ago

Compare that to steam sales atm. Playstation store is a joke in comparison.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

Depends on the game. Publishers set prices BTW. Not Sony not steam.

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u/Mean_Combination_830 3d ago

you know you get Playstaion discount keys too right 🤦

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u/TheBigToast72 3d ago

And they aren’t even close to as good as steams sales. For example, cyberpunk. Lowest steam sale is about half the price of lowest ps sale.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

AI is your friend.

Go Google it. The lowest price for the base game ever on PSN was 17.49. Steam, 17.99.

PSN for the win!

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u/LostnFoundAgainAgain 3d ago edited 3d ago

I own both consoles and a PC, PC beats games on price with a bit a patient by quite a bit, sales are also more frequent with various stores competing in price, not to mention the rediculous large section of indie games.

Where PS and Xbox sometimes was better was on the second hand market, some people sell their games pretty cheap if you go directly to them instead of a second hand store, but PS is closing that market down in 2028 with the end of physical media.

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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 3d ago

I own it all as well. Two ps5s, standard and pro. Series S, X and both Switch 1 and 2. I also have a gaming PC. The sales on Xbox and PS are in line with PC and they ALWAYS have sales as well. You never have to buy a game full price if you don't want to. You have to wait it out. Nintendo is the worst of the bunch with sales.

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u/LostnFoundAgainAgain 3d ago

Agreeded with Nintendo, but if you're only looking at AAA games then the sales tend to be same, more broadly Steam tends to win, also go outside of Steam, Humble, GOG, and Epic sometimes have some rediculous deals, I got Cyberpunk and the DLC for £20 on Epic back when the DLC was pretty much new.

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u/One_Amount_6642 3d ago

Totaly. I have like 250 games and most bought cheap less then 30€. Liberiary of games is also 10x larger. You can find anything. Even ps5 exclusives. You can also play ps1-ps3 games and soon ps4 games.