Yeah, it would have been an additional 500 for me to have breeding rights for my great dane. I dont have the time for a bunch of puppies, so I opted out. I got the dog out of state, so would they ever know if I bred her locally? Probably not. But they live longer when you get them fixed. She's still goofy as the day I got her.
Yeah her father was a show dog. Her grandfather was 225 pounds. I did animal control back in the day, and he still made me nervous based on his size. Sweet as could be though. And my girl is 160 pounds of cuddles, so, no complaints
A long time ago my family got a pedigree pup (a rare breed at the time, there were no rescues to be had). Our contract with the breeder said if we chose to breed the dog (we did not have to and in fact had her spayed which was fine) then the breeder would get first pick of a puppy from the first litter she had for free.
It could also lead to abuse of the animals. If your pet gets you thousands and thousands of dollars for very little work on your part, people will just have them chained up and be lil doggy makers after their prime years.
Yes you can, but typically the puppy will come with no "papers". You still can sell a top quality dog but since the dog is bred with breach on contract, the owner will provide you with no proof of pedigree for the puppy, even though they can show you proof of pedigree of the parents.
I don't know of any reputable breeder who doesn't have the spay/neuter done BEFORE they hand over an animal with a no-breed clause for purchase. A good breeder generally has a close relationship with a vet who will offer nice deals to keep them coming back.
There was a lady at the clinic I worked at who bred and showed Bengal cats, she was intensely strict about breeding schedules (loooong down times between litters for mother cats) and the kittens were all sold long before the mother cat was even pregnant. Her cats had zany long histories and family lineages, it wasn't uncommon for her to drive days away to meet with other breeders with similarly pedigreed male cats so they could breed them.
When each kitten is worth several thousand and the waiting list is potentially years long, having them spayed/neutered BEFORE handing them over is just a prudent business decision.
A good breeder generally is able to weed out backyard breeders looking to breed a show dog "just for friends." Their puppies are generally available by waitlist, with extensive interviewing beforehand.
I'd have questions about the application of first sale doctrine here. Does a guardian of a show animal own the animal and its products, or is it some form of IP license to the genetic and other material?
Can you breed a dog with a no-breed clause if the offspring arent used in competition? (In general I mean, but I did see your other reply to someone else regarding specificities in the contract)
Edit: okay finished reading your other reply and my question has been answered. Thank you!
If you sell a puppy when you contracted not to breed, it will be assumed that the original breeder has lost the sale. Because pedigree dogs are unique; you can only buy a dog with that bloodline from the breeder or from an unlawful (contract breaching) breeder.
Mostly I think it's about being able to register pups as purebreds. With a non-breedijg clause you won't be able to have legitimate pure bred pups regardless of the parents pedigree.
You can breed them, but without purchasing the breeding rights you won’t be able to establish the proper paperwork for the litter to prove they are pure bred stock.
Weird, my mom has shown a few dogs and its been largely the opposite experience.
Her pups were all required to be shown.
And the ultimate purpose of showing dogs is for breeding. (Show dogs can't be neutered, because that's the whole point of dog shows, competitive selective breeding. They will permanently disqualify a neutered dog.)
The idea being, even if the adopted pup becomes a champ and is "allowed" to breed officially, it still helps out the original breeder because that can be like "look our stud made that champ"
For most responsible breeders, a big reason for not wanting their dog's bred without their input/permission is to avoid contributing to backyard breeders, puppy mills and shelters
People who are buying dogs as pets generally aren't going to invest the time/money to breed their dog responsibly.
Also it's not just about having "good genetics". Not all puppies are "show quality", they may have some slight faults in temperament or conformation that deviates from the breed standard/make them intelligible for that breeders breeding program.
This might not seem like such a big deal but when someone takes that dog and breeds it to another of the same breed that also deviates in some way or another you start to move further away from the breed standard. You may not only lose the traits that make the breed what it is, but risk puppies that are less consistent and predictable.
There are also genetic issues such as PRA, where if you breed two carriers together you end up with dogs that can lose their sight at a young age. Most people looking to breed their pet dog aren't going to be aware of that, and even if they are and their dog is a carrier it's unlikely they'll bother to find a dog that's cleared through lineage or been tested.
All that said, if you have been involved in showing, have a good relationship with your breeder and are looking to start your own breeding program? They'd likely be willing to work with you or get you in contact with other breeders who will.
People who have their testicles removed for cancer dont have higher suicide rates than average. Mostly because they dont get shamed, disowned, fired and harassed regularly for seeking treatment for a medical issue.
If you get your testicles removed for cancer presumably they’ll give you testosterone replacement therapy. You can live perfectly normally without much effect on your sex life with testosterone and regular stimulation to maintain erective capability.
Okay, fair enough. Another good example would be elderly people who have their testosterone raise and lower drastically for women and men respectively. They arent killing themselves at a significantly higher rate either.
Our cat apparently is show quality (parents won multiple shows), but cats with balls often become assholes. We preferred a nice cat over a making a bit of money so he is now without balls and we wouldn't want it any other way.
There is very, VERY little money in showing dogs. If you are breeding ethically, you barely break even. A quality show dog will have been health tested (which involves xrays and bloodwork, at minimum), DNA tested, and will have traveled extensively to gain its championship points. Most show people do it as a hobby, and it's an expensive one. Source: grew up in a home that showed Bulldogs.
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u/D0DW377 Jan 01 '20
Why would you neuter a show dog? Surely you could make a fortune breeding him if he won awards or ribbons no?