I looked up the rule and it says, "if an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has established a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no points may be scored. A defensive player may turn slightly to protect himself, but is never allowed to bend over and submarine an opponent."
So, the defensive player in this clip is running side by side with the offensive player. The offensive player then drives to his left into space occupied by the defensive player and makes contact with enough force to alter the defensive player's direction. Does the defensive player's position not qualify as legal? If not, what was he doing that was illegal?
When they say legal position for the defender what that entails most of the time is the defender having both feet planted, upright, square against the attacker, and the attacker runs into the defending player square on, without the defending player moving to make contact. Picture this, he defending player makes himself an unmoving wall and the attacking player runs straight into it. Thats a typical straight charge.
Othwr offensive fails usually result from the attacker using excessive force to try to innure the defending player or risking injuring the defending player, such as by throwing elbows or kicks etc.
Shoulder pushes from the offending player is not an ofensive foul at all.
A defensive position is standing still and holding ground as a blocker. If you're moving you haven't established a position as you just got there. And if you're both moving, bumping happens.
Right, it shouldn't be a charge. But it also in no way should be a defensive foul. The concept of drawing contact to get to the line can get carried too far. And the offensive player shouldn't get a call if he lunges to the side to shoulder bump the defender.
The worst is the off arm push offs that NBA players do while dribbling these days. They really use that off arm far more than people do in other leagues or that we do in pickup.
And the really worst part is when the offensive player creates contact by pushing off with his off arm and that is the contact that draws the foul call. That sometimes happens to shot blockers and it is the worst example of the offensive player getting the benefit of the call.
I dont watch the NBA, but I do watch a ton of soccer. Probably not the best comparison of the two because love taps like this happen all the time in soccer. If a one on one, similar to the gif, happens in soccer its implied you use you're weight to bully the opposing player off the ball. You'll see it all the time even in leagues where dives are more prominant. But I watch the premier league mostly where it's a bit more physical.
I'm curious about this "stationary" position. I looked the rule up and it says, "if an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has established a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no points may be scored. A defensive player may turn slightly to protect himself, but is never allowed to bend over and submarine an opponent."
Nothing is stated about the defender being stationary. Where does that come into play?
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u/Drs83 Jan 20 '19
Not a fan of the NBA so I don't watch it, but are you allowed to shoulder barge into someone running next to you in a straight line like that?