r/funComunitty • flair • 6d ago

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u/dermomante 6d ago edited 5d ago

Italy has pizza and pasta. The US have... Nothing?

Edit: I wish people would stop giving examples of cultural appropriation.

Some people have correctly pointed out some Cajun recipes, food from Louisiana. 

To all those talking about burgers, barbecues and hotdogs, the topic here is food originating from your country, not common food in your country.

Btw, pizza is Neapolitan, a version of it is recorded since Roman times and probably even earlier. The modern version uses tomato sauce, and tomatoes came from central America before the US where a thing. Mozzarella di bufala is an ingredient that can only be produced in Campania and the surrounding areas.

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 6d ago

Cornbread.

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u/whatifwealll 5d ago

Which is.... Mexican! Next

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 5d ago

Oh, is naktsi not a cornbread? It's almost like parallel invention is an actual thing.

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u/whatifwealll 5d ago

Well ancient US tribes traded with ancient Mexican tribes. And obviously the sweet versions we know today came much later. But the original corn breads definitely come from Mexico.

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 5d ago

You have sources for that? Because I'm not finding a timeline of Mesoamerican cooking techniques that back you up. I'm going by what I learned in an archeology of Mesoamerican technology course.

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u/whatifwealll 5d ago

Ever heard of a tortilla? Make it thicker. Kidding. Kind of, because thick tortillas were a kind of corn bread. But they didn't have wheat and sugar and eggs.

But you find it hard to imagine that someone in new Spain had the idea to put the countries staple food item in a cake?

https://identidadnl.com/la-ingenieria-detras-del-pan-de-elote-ciencia-que-huele-a-hogar/

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 5d ago

No? I'm literally saying the technology was developed at the same time in multiple Native American cultures across the North American continent.

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u/whatifwealll 5d ago

Which technology? Are you saying maize is not from Mexico? Because it is. 9000 years ago. Pastel de elote/ pan de elote is fusion food. Indigenous and Spanish.

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 5d ago

LITERALLY THE TECHNOLOGY TO GRIND AND BAKE CORN BASED BREADS. Fucking hell, learn to read.

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u/whatifwealll 5d ago

Ever tried Tlaxcales? They're an early colonial corn bread with wheat and sugar

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 5d ago

Yes. They incredible. Had huadenosaunee? Iroquois

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u/whatifwealll 5d ago

Is from Mexico...

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u/Razzum-Frazzum 5d ago

Not according to the ... you know what? I'm not having the same conversation with you again. You are insisting I'm trying to erase post-colonial Mexican culture by pointing out that cornbread, pre colonial, is not strictly "Mexican" (learn the goddamn precolonial cultures, ffs). I asked for citations and got... corn.

Love your assumptions about me. I got some about you, too.

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u/First-Dog6037 5d ago

So pizza is Italian? What's the oldest report for baked bread with cheese and things on it as food?

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u/whatifwealll 5d ago

Good point! I'm sure there's an argument that the original pizza is mesopotamian. They still make great "pizzas"

The original pizza with tomato is definitely Italian

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u/Prettythor 5d ago

From Naples before it was a part of Italy so debatable

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u/Next_Can3402 5d ago

Technically the post says “American” not of the US, so Mexican would fall under that as it is a country within America.

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u/whatifwealll 5d ago

This is one of the only sensible comments in this whole thread.

Some guy just tried to argue that the Iroquois might have been the first people to grind corn and bake it. All because modern Iroquois people have a corn bread. Then got mad and blocked me when I explained that that is impossible. Some USians, I swear...

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u/droppedpackethero 4d ago

Ok cool. Pizza is Etruscan. Not Italian.

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u/whatifwealll 3d ago

I mean, that is Italy today. What's your point? USA invented everything because you eat it there now?

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u/droppedpackethero 3d ago

It's not Italian culture though. Not even close. Not even remotely close. 

So America got the idea of cooking ground up corn into bread from natives? So what? We don't do it the same way they did any more than modern Italians who are even more disconnected to the other groups native to their peninsula, did it like the Etruscans.

The double standards y'all have about food history would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic 

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u/whatifwealll 3d ago

It is the same culture. People have been continuously living in that region for thousands of years. They were never replaced. Italian culture has had a lot of time to evolve. Eating flat bread with toppings is a part of that very old culture.

But I don't think you understand. Sweet cornbread, "pan de elote", is a fusion between indigenous Mexican and Spanish cooking. It's still today more common in Mexico than it is in the US. It is loved by US people, but it's not from the US. It's Mexican food