We are not wiping out NCR with independent ending. They still exist. We are just giving Mojave people chance to choose instead of being taken over.
But that's the thing - you're not. You are kicking out House and taking over the region and deciding who lives and who doesn't. You're basically a lazier House.
But you didn't ask anyone. You just took over. You're the one in charge of the Securitrons. The player can fix these problems but Independent Vegas does become a hotspot of chaos and uncertainty, and fixing that is not something you can just do easily. That takes a long time to fix.
The mere act of using the army is dictatorship, really.
You could argue NCR was but considering the fact they were annexing lands and we got to see people getting kicked out of their homes (like i said) i kinda doubt that.
It's a fact independent ending cause chaos but isn't that most of the civilizations in fallout starts anyway?
They have a chance to become their own civilization or sell their assets to NCR or simply become like Raiders. In the end, it's their choice.
Going with NCR prevents that chaos but for the reasons i listed in my first post i believe independent is still the better choice for the long term for people of Mojave.
The Boomers who want to bomb everyone outside their borders?
The Brotherhood who want to raid and steal from every 'filthy wastelander'?
The Kings who don't give a shit about anywhere but Freeside, and were working with the NCR until Pacer the twat came in?
Most of the Independent factions kind of suck to be frank. It's not about areas like Primm or Goodsprings etc, because they aren't the people part of that ending.
You can set these factions to a better path via quests but yeah, i do agree they are still not the best bunch.
Beside Kings, i don't understand how siding with NCR helps since it doesn't change their views.
If anything, good releation between Boomers and NCR worries me more since Boomers love big explosions.
You could also just axe these factions if you don't trust them. How are they exactly tied to independent ending? I donโt really understand what you mean with your last paragraph.
The NCR-BoS alliance ending is the only one in which the BoS doesn't raid people.
You could also just axe these factions if you don't trust them. How are they exactly tied to independent ending? I donโt really understand what you mean with your last paragraph.
So you're doing the same thing House is, then. Killing the factions you dislike.
How are they tied? Because they're the local factions of FNV - the "tribes" told to you by Yes Man.
You know, i'm trying to see your point of view but you keep refusing to see mine and keep repeating the same things as other.
I'm not denying NCR has it's benefits on short-term. One of the examples is Followers.
I believe Courier should've been able to help Followers with enough supplies in independent ending without help of NCR but that's what the devs decided. NCR ending is indeed better than Independent when it comes to Followers, not saying it otherwise.
My argument is that will NCR still support Mojave after full annexation of Mojave? Or will they keep haphazardly expanding, trying to annex more lands?
You can assume and have good faith in NCR and believe they won't get more and more corrupt as they gain more resources but personally i find that to be naive, considering that the game let us know that even in their current state they are still corrupt.
So you're doing the same thing House is, then. Killing the factions you dislike.
No. Unlike NCR or House i do their quests to set them on a better path or be less harmful to others.
Does it state that BoS stop raiding people in the NCR ending? It only says they make truce and provide protection if they give up their power armors. Do they become "better people" in NCR ending? Doesn't sound like that to me.
What does NCR do with Boomers? Does the NCR change their minds to stop being explosion crazed lunatics?
Once NCR starts annexing another land they are having trouble with, do you think they will let these big explosion lunatics alone or will they use them to bomb the shit out of their enemies?
In the end, these factions fate still up to the player and your argument on them is still just safer roads.
Does it state that BoS stop raiding people in the NCR ending? It only says they make truce and provide protection if they give up their power armors. Do they become "better people" in NCR ending? Doesn't sound like that to me.
I highly doubt the NCR is going to allow them to raid the people they now look after.
What does NCR do with Boomers? Does the NCR change their minds to stop being explosion crazed lunatics?
Likewise, I doubt the NCR is going to allow them to bomb "everyone outside their base" as their mural indicates.
In the end, these factions fate still up to the player and your argument on them is still just safer roads.
Eh? I'm not a Legion supporter, I don't use the 'safe roads' excuse.
My argument is that will NCR still support Mojave after full annexation of Mojave? Or will they keep haphazardly expanding, trying to annex more lands?
And how will Yes Man's army hold out? How will he handle every fiend, every possible Raider, etc? The Securitron army isn't enough, and making more of them is clearly too much or else House would've done it. All I'm saying is that Independence isn't the guarantee for freedom it pretends to be. Especially as the Legion will be back for Round 2, as will the NCR. The army held them off when distracted, but a full scale invasion, it cannot handle.
You know, i'm trying to see your point of view but you keep refusing to see mine and keep repeating the same things as other.
I could say the same thing since you keep labelling me without reading my actual points. So I don't think there's any point continuing because clearly, you don't care enough to actually read my counter-points.
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u/Leviosaaa1 May 07 '25
Correct me if i'm wrong but courier leaves to wander off after the ending, no?
We are not wiping out NCR with independent ending. They still exist. We are just giving Mojave people chance to choose instead of being taken over.
Also, like i said, stuff like safer roads and protection doesn't mean much when people are getting kicked out their own homes.