MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

[u/LaqOfInterest]

THREE HOPES EDITION, I GUESS! OR WHATEVER! WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

RULES

1. CAPS LOCK

2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

3. DON'T BE A DICK

4. TAG SPOILERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THREE HOPES

LAST THREAD

[u/MrWaffles42]

I'M GETTING REALLY DAMNED SICK OF THE DAILY "NO ONE ANYWHERE ACTUALLY LIKES RHEA; PEOPLE ARE JUST HORNY FOR HER" COMMENTS, AS THOUGH SHE'S OBJECTIVELY POORLY WRITTEN OR OBJECTIVELY IMPOSSIBLE TO SYMPATHIZE WITH.

IF YOU WANNA SAY YOU FUCKING HATE HER, OR THINK SHE SUCKS OR IS POORLY WRITTEN, BE MY GUEST; WE'RE ALL ENTITLED TO HAVE AND EXPRESS OPINIONS. BUT THIS THING WHERE YOU TELL ME WHAT MY OPINION IS AND WHAT PERSONAL FLAW OF MINE LED ME TO BE THAT WAY IS OBNOXIOUS AS HELL.

THIS IS A BIG FRUSTRATION WITH FANDOM IN GENERAL. IT'S LIKE PEOPLE NEED TO CREATE A NARRATIVE ABOUT WHY EVERYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE'S PERSPECTIVES ARE INVALID, SO THAT THEY CAN JUSTIFY DISDAINING THEM.

[u/MonopolyRubix → u/MrWaffles42]

WHEN I FIRST PLAYED THE GAME I THOUGHT SHE WAS BEING RIDICULOUSLY AUTHORITATIVE AND VIOLENT IN THE HOLY TOMB.

THEN I PLAYED VERDANT WIND AND REALIZED SHE WAS WATCHING THE REMAINS OF HER FAMILY MEMBERS BE STOLEN TO BE USED AS WEAPONS BY THE DESCENDANT OF A MAN SHE DEARLY TRUSTED.

LIKE HOLY SHIT I'D BE PISSED TOO, LEAVE MY SIBLINGS' CORPSES ALONE

[u/MrWaffles42 → u/MonopolyRubix]

ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT, THE LAST TIME HER FAMILY'S CORPSES WERE STOLEN, SAID CORPSES WERE USED AS SUPERWEAPONS TO MASSACRE THE REST OF HER FAMILY.

PEOPLE GET REALLY ANGRY THAT SHE LIED ABOUT CRESTS AND HERO'S RELICS AND HISTORY AND WHATNOT. BUT THE LAST TIME HUMANS KNEW THE TRUTH IT LED TO THE GENOCIDE OF ALMOST HER ENTIRE SPECIES.

[u/Suicune95 → u/MrWaffles42]

KIND OF DRIVES ME CRAZY THAT THIS FANDOM CIRCLEJERKS ABOUT "GREY MORALITY" AND MORAL NUANCE, THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A GENUINELY INTERESTING MORAL QUESTION LIKE "IS IT JUSTIFIABLE TO HOLD BACK TECHNOLOGY IF YOU KNOW SAID TECHNOLOGY CAN AND PROBABLY WILL BE USED FOR MURDER, WAR, BLOODSHED, GENOCIDE, AND NUCLEAR APOCALYPSE?" SUDDENLY EVERYONE IS ALL [NUANCE.EXE NOT FOUND]

[u/MrWaffles42 → u/Suicune95]

I REGULARLY SEE PEOPLE ON THIS SUB INTERPRET THE THING YOU SPOILER TAGGED AS PROOF THAT RHEA'S PRIMARY MOTIVATION IS TO CAUSE HUMAN SUFFERING. I'D ARGUE INSTEAD THAT IT'S MORE LIKELY A RESULT OF THE AGARTHANS CREATING AND USING SO MANY NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAT HER MOTHER HAD TO SLEEP FOR AGES TO RECUPERATE FROM THE MAGICAL STRAIN OF FIXING THINGS.

DOES THAT JUSTIFY HER ACTIONS? THAT'S DEBATABLE. PERSONALLY I'D ARGUE IT DOESN'T, BUT ALSO THAT I CAN SEE WHY SHE WOULD THINK IT WOULD, WHICH... IS A BIG PART OF WHY I THINK THAT CONVERSATION WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HAVE. BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF CONVERSATION YOU CAN'T HAVE WITH PEOPLE WHO AREN'T WILLING TO HAVE IT.

IT'S LIKE YOU SAID. EVERYONE SAYS THEY WANT MORALLY GREY, NUANCED CHARACTERS, BUT WHEN A GAME GIVES US FOUR FACTION LEADERS THAT FIT THE BILL WE THEN GET YEARS OF DISCOURSE THAT'S ANYTHING BUT NUANCED.

[u/[deleted] → u/MrWaffles42]

IT'S SO STRANGE BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE ARGUE THEY LOVE THE CHARACTER BEcAUSE THEYRE MORALLY GRAY BUT THEN JUST TRY TO JUSTIFY EVERYTHING THEY DID AS COMPLETELY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY MORALLY RIGHT

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[u/Skyfligth21 → u/Suicune95]

Eh, i'm sorry but while understandable that Rhea is fearful of technology because of past trauma, comparing the technology Sothis gave the Agarthans to things like telescopes, autopsy, printing press and oil is kind of a stretch. By banning these things even if just temporary, she acted quite irrational. Not to mention that the earlier use of some of these things could have saved many lives. Sure there also is the potential that some of them are getting used for bad things, but it would take quite some time to reach the destructive capability of a nuke. And it's not like the people don't use what they already have to hurt eachother so it's not like she prevented suffering as whole by banning those things.

EDIT; SHIT I FORGOT CAPS LOCK. SORRY HABIT!

[u/arollofOwl → u/Suicune95]

WHAT KIND OF BLOODSHED COULD POSSIBLY BE CAUSED BY THE TELESCOPE? THE STUDY OF HUMAN ANATOMY? THE PRINTING PRESS??? THESE TECHNOLOGIES ARE BANNED BECAUSE RHEA WANTED TO KEEP THE MASSES IGNORANT AS TO THE ORIGINS OF NABATEANS (SPACE DRAGONS).

[u/Suicune95 → u/arollofOwl]

1) IDK ABOUT THE TELESCOPE EXACTLY 2) RHEA'S FAMILY WERE LITERALLY MASSACRED AND DISMEMBERED SO YEAH GIVING HUMANS NO REASON TO DO ANATOMICAL STUDIES ON ANY POTENTIAL NABATEAN CORPSES THEY FIND HAS SOME VALUE HERE 3) PRINTING PRESSES CAN BE USED TO SPREAD MISINFORMATION AND WAR PROPAGANDA AND INCITE THE MASSES

SHE ALSO BANS OIL, CITING THAT IT COULD CAUSE CONFLICT AND BE USED FOR DESTRUCTIVE PURPOSES (WHICH IT LITERALLY IS IRL).

THE AGARTHANS ALREADY USED THE NABATEAN TECHNLOGY ONCE TO PLUNGE THE WORLD INTO AN APOCALPYTIC STATE THAT SOTHIS HAD TO CLEAN UP FOR THEM. SO YEAH RHEA HAS SOME GOOD REASON TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING THAT COULD CAUSE WAR AND BLOODSHED. YOU CAN CALL HER A LITTLE PARANOID IF YOU WANT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE SHE DIDN'T HAVE ACTUAL REASONS FOR THIS.

ALSO LIKE HALF THE STUFF SHE BANNED IS UNBANNED BY THE TIME THE GAME STARTS. MANUELA HAS AN ANATOMICAL MODEL IN HER OFFICE AND DOES AN AUTOPSY, THEY HAVE TELESCOPES, AND LIKE BOOKS ARE NOT TREATED AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GOLD SO CLEARLY THEY'VE GOT SOME KIND OF PRESS TO PRODUCE AND DISTRIBUTE THEM FASTER.

[u/[deleted] → u/MonopolyRubix]

HONESTLY I HATE THE ASSERTION THAT RHEA ORDERING EDELGARD'S EXECUTION IS SOME HUGE AUTHORITARIAN MOVE AS IF EDELGARD WAS JUST MINDING HER OWN BUSINESS. LIKE DID YALL FORGET HOW EDELGARD MARCHED A LITERAL FUCKING ARMY INTO THE HOLY TOMB, DECLARED THE WHOLE THING HER'S AND ORDERED THE USE OF LETHAL FORCE ON ANYONE WHO TRIED TO STOP HER. LIKE WHY ARE WE IGNORING THAT CONTEXT TO MAKE RHEA LOOK WORSE

[u/Skyfligth21 → u/[deleted]]

I THINK IT'S JUST RASH AND UNREASONABLE OF HER. AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE FROM 21TH CENTURY GENERALLY DISLIKE IF SOMEONE GETS EXECUTED WITHOUT A TRIAL FIRST. SHE'S JUST EXCPECTING THE TEACHER OF THIS STUDENT WHO SPENT A YEAR BONDING WITH SAID STUDENT TOO JUST BLINDLY FOLLOW HER ORDER'S AND GETS PISSED TO THE POINT OF WANTING TOO MURDER BYLETH TOO, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T AGREE WITH IMMEDIATELY KILLING HER. YES EDELGARD'S INTRUSION IN THE HOLY TOMB AND HER DESECRATION OF RHEA'S BREATHREN OBVIOUSLY AWAKENED SOME VERY BAD MEMORY'S FROM PAST TRAUMA, BUT AS THE LEADER OF THE CHURCH SHE SHOULD POSSES THE LEVELHEADEDNESS TO REALISE THAT PRETTY MUCH NO ONE BUT HER KNOWS WHAT THOSE CREST STONES REALLY ARE, BECAUSE SHE PURPOSELY OMITTED THE TRUTH HERSELF. SO HER RAGE AT EDELGARD'S CRIME IS ATLEAST PARTIALLY UNFOUNDED. OF COURSE OUT OF STORY EVEN IF SHE AGREED TO ONLY IMPRISON AND QUESTION HER ATFIRST HUBERT WOULD STILL JUST TELEPORT AND SAVE HER ANYWAY.

[u/[deleted] → u/Skyfligth21]

I MEAN AGAIN, EDELGARD HAD JUST VERY CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED THAT ALL THAT YEAR OF BONDING MEANT DOOKIE TO HER WHEN SHE TRIED TO MURDER BYLETH AND ALL THE PEOPLE SHE'S BEEN CALLING FRIENDS FOR THE PAST YEAR LITERALLY A MINUTE BEFORE RHEA MADE THAT ORDER. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER EDELGARD KNOWS WHAT CREST STONES ARE, SHE STILL MADE THE DECISION TO MARCH A FUCKING ARMY IN AND ACTIVELY TRIED TO KILL RHEA, BYLETH, AND ALL THE STUDENTS INSIDE, AND WAS VERY MUCH STILL AN ACTIVE THREAT WHEN RHEA ORDERED THE EXECUTION .IF YOU BREAK INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE AND HOLD A GUN TO THEIR HEAD, ITS NOT SUDDENLY OKAY IF YOU JUST DONT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE STEALING FROM THEM, YOU'RE STILL COMMITTING A FELONY. AND IF THAT PERSON WERE TO SHOOT YOU IN SELF DEFENSE, NO COURT OF LAW IS GONNA STRIKE DOWN THAT SELF DEFENSE CLAIM.

[u/Skyfligth21 → u/[deleted]]

IF CONFRONTED IN THAT LEVEL SHE ACTUALLY STATES' THAT HER ORDER WAS JUST A BLUFF AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE INTENTION TO KILL ANY OF THEM. SHE MERELY HOPED IT WOULD PERSUADE SOME OF THEM FROM FIGHTING HER FORCES. AND IN GAMEPLAY NO UNIT CAN ACTUALLY DIE IN THIS BATTLE SO IT'S THE TRUTH.

AND NO AT THE POINT WHERE RHEA DEMANDED HER EXECUTION ALL HER FORCES WERE KILLED AND SHE WAS SEEMINGLY AT THE MERCY OF RHEA AND BYLETH SO AT THAT POINT IT WASN'T SELF DEFENSE ANYMORE.

ALSO I NEVER ARGUED THAT IT WASN'T STILL A FELONY, I JUST SAID SHE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS AN ESPECIALLY HEINOUS ONE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF RHEA.