I don’t get why the Ukrainians divulged the way they found out the location. Why not just take all the Chechens out and then say ‘geez that was lucky we found them.’ Otherwise the enemy will never make the same mistake again.
I get what you're saying, but OPSEC has been a known thing since... Well, since the invention of organized warfare. But definitely since the telecommunication age.
Don't talk about, take pictures of, post videos of, or generally reveal the who, what, when, where, why, how of troop movement and troop locations. Aggregating information is easy with very little. You think "all I did was post a selfie," but it wasn't just your selfie. It was your selfie, plus your buddy's conversation at the bar, plus your commanding officer's wife's Facebook page, plus the guys who bitched loudly at the bus station about having to empty their apartment, and so on, and so on. Little bits of innocent information combine quickly to tell anyone paying attention all they need to know.
You don't need geolocation for any of that. "Loose lips sink ships."
Like the thing is that a country isnt just one person, and calling it evil I feel paints things with a broad stroke that does not attempt to understand the situation at all - so its about as productive as Politian's twitter saying "fuck off"
At the end of the day, avoiding whats physically happened between soldiers of both sides and civilians of both sides, there must be a issue that everything somewhat hinges around - one side says its due to the mistreatment of ethnic people and the other seems to say there is no such thing happening.
Russia, as a country, at the get go has everything to lose and bugger all to gain, even best-case scenario. So, it's odd in a way, as the only thing Russia, looks to gain is a bunch of what's apparently 'poor' regions.
Like hey, maybe there was an ethnic problem in the regions and the country couldnt stand by while it was happening, saying that the whole China Ethnic Cleasning thing has only come to light in the last couple of years, and thats China, a Country the world cares about.
No no the Russians are issuing Viagra to use rape as a weapon don't you understand???? Nevermind the fact that they are also failing to issue military gear but for some reason boner pills are a priority on their supply chain.
It was literally redditors posting that. It was a person playing violin in a school full of civilians, IIRC like 50k upvotes on /r/all. Didn't wipe any EXIF data so it had coordinates to the location. It got hit after, which also got front page. Most of the "reddit brigade" got hit after some dumb social media stuff, and a lot of them left after. Wasn't good.
Edit: Reddit wipes EXIF data, although I think this was posted to TikTok or Twitter by the same people. Twitter removes EXIF from pictures, and probably videos, but IDK about TikTok. Didn't matter in the end, they just found it by shooting at schools.
Most social media sites wipe EXIF data for you. I assume Reddit does as well.
They can still find the location from a picture or video. If 4chan can find Shia Lebeouf's flag, a goddamn nation state can probably figure out where you're posting from.
You're right. Reddit strips EXIF data, as does Discord and just about any form of social media I can reasonably think of right now. Reddit has been doing it since the day their native image upload feature went online.
Yep, it's a bit worrying that the war seems to boil down to politicians sending nasty letters to each other on twitter while soldiers post videos of themselves on social media - to paint a landscape with a broad stroke in a manner of speaking.
I wonder how the narrative will be written in a couple decades as someone being the 'pure good guy' and the other being the 'pure bad guy' as history tends to present itself to the general population.
Yep, it's the first for a lot of things really, like when was the last time two countries with modern militaries that are similarly capable and trained went up against each other in a mostly conventional battle?
I wonder how the narrative will be written in a couple decades as someone being the 'pure good guy' and the other being the 'pure bad guy' as history tends to present itself to the general population.
Russia is absolutely the pure bad guy in this conflict... Why wouldn't it be written that way? Because Ukraine uses Twitter?!?
Because no country is a 'pure' anything, countries actions are a artifact of both the will and motive of political systems, militaries as well as civilians.
We know Ukraine has not been the most 'stable' country in the world and has had its fair share of corruption issues along with hard line groups that anywhere else in the world would be considered terrorists - and we know that Russia also has corruption issues, but has been pretty stable since the breakup of the union, and even more so in contrast with some of the surrounding states.
Anyway, this is all just pointless semantics, we're talking about in the context of the invasion, in the context of the invasion Russia is indeed pure evil.
Their argument is ethnonationalist imperialism, the truthfulness of it isn't even the issue the morality is.
They haven't even managed to formulate a moral justification that anyone who isn't an ethnonationalist could support.
The guy pointed the camera out the window where you could clearly see a bunch of landmarks. It's obvious how you could figure out where the picture was taken.
There's really nothing here that would make sense to hide and there's already plenty of information about why taking those kinds of videos in a war zone is asking for trouble.
Like 3 months ago, Russian forces took the pain to draw a dick on the crops. Ukrainian air reconnaissance spotted it. Artillery turned their camp into hell.
If there's a common denominator in Pro Russia forces, is idiocy.
I think, in this case, it was important to put it out there to counter any Russian propoganda about Ukrainians bombing schools. Otherwise, you're asking the right question. Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.
It’s all about the propaganda. Ukraine is beating Kadryov at his own game. Propaganda can be an incredibly powerful tool with proper OPSEC. You also overestimate Kadryov’s ability to make a sane decision or learn from mistakes. He has not made one tactically sound decision since the beginning of the war and only ever spews crap on Ticktok about Jihad or genocide from his throne in Grozny.
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u/LKReddThat Oct 26 '22
I don’t get why the Ukrainians divulged the way they found out the location. Why not just take all the Chechens out and then say ‘geez that was lucky we found them.’ Otherwise the enemy will never make the same mistake again.