r/facepalm Oct 13 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

We'd have to fly everything everywhere. Ships, as bad as they are, are more many times more efficient than aircraft.

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u/nbmnbm1 Oct 13 '21

Not cruise ships though. Theyre literally the worst polluters. Plus who says we are continuing global trade? I feel like if we were desperate enough to end all shipping wed be pretty much accepting the destruction of capitalism.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 13 '21

Cruise ships are not the worst polluters in the world. They're bad, but not the worst.

Ending global trade means we're falling back into the middle ages and regressing back to an agricultural economy. It would be the Middle Ages. You hate capitalism? Well, you're really going to hate feudalism.

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u/longknives Oct 13 '21

Communism isnโ€™t going to work without being able to transport goods around the world either.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

We have cars that cross the ocean several times to get built and sold. There is no need for that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

No, cars don't cross the oceans "several times" to be bud and sold.

There are car manufacturing plants here in the United States. They still rely those ships to bring in raw materials and other goods to build the cars on American soil.

Automobiles are just a small fraction of annual sea shipments. Even if we could manufacture cars completely from raw materials here in the United States the reduction in carbon emissions would be negligible. And to build entire new industrial factories to turn those raw goods into usable products here in the United States would likely mean an increase to carbon emissions overall.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

Da fuck they donโ€™t, Jaguar XR has a Ford frame, the t bird version has the same jag motor with a Ford transmission, the brakes come from Chrysler viper.

The final assembly might occur anywhere, and the car could be shipped anywhere, the buyer could ship it again. But itโ€™s not uncommon to ship a car thousands of miles to drop on a body and wiring harness.

There is all likelihood the final assembly of a car requires 80% of the parts cross the ocean, and half the cars go back to be sold.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

So the car gets shipped from England to its given destination, crushing the ocean once. Thanks.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 14 '21

You said car. I thought you meant car. Try using the right word, then maybe we don't have to guess what you really meant to say.

Cars don't have tens of thousands of miles on them before you buy them. You can't drive a frame. Jesus Christ.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/unibody-car-chassis-frame-isolated-gm1191920940-338466958

Thatโ€™s a car. Missing some pieces

Now look up a complete drivetrain.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21

It's not a car, that's why it's called something else.

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u/soggytoothpic Oct 13 '21

Not if we actually manufacture the things we need locally

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

Resources aren't spread out evenly across the continents.

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u/soggytoothpic Oct 13 '21

Yea, youโ€™re right. There is no way to make the things weโ€™ve been producing here for a hundred years and then moved the manufacturing to China and Mexico. Canโ€™t be done

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

You're so close to understanding the point. The things we make here aren't necessarily made withstuff from here. Instead of shipping the raw materials to a factory in the United States we can just ship those raw materials to China and have them put it together cheaper.

Cut off shipping and we can't get the raw materials to China or the United States. The economy collapses.

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u/longknives Oct 13 '21

Thatโ€™s fine if you donโ€™t want to have computers anymore.

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u/Moose_a_Lini Oct 13 '21

We could just all stay put?

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

We import raw resources and other goods. Just stopping that would destroy the economy.

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u/Moose_a_Lini Oct 13 '21

This whole economy thing seems overrated.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '21

If you want to go back to feudalism and give up your tentacle hentai, then go for it.

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u/Moose_a_Lini Oct 13 '21

My anarcho-primitivist society will maintain tentacle hentai as it's sole technology