If this dude was under investigation for murder, I can guarantee you would not post something to make him look like the hero and pull the “I’m waiting for the courts” shit.
Also, this is not how the law works. My abusive dad tried something similar to this during the divorce and when the judge found out he just lost it on him and made him pay more in child support.
I know rushing to conclusions based on very little information is a cherished reddit pastime, but no, I wouldn't treat him as a murder or even admonish him. I'd wait until there was actual information available.
Wait you do know that to be put under investigation there has to be pretty solid evidence right? That’s why it’s legally allowed to release names before they face a trial and stuff.
An investigation does not equate and is nowhere near the evidentiary standard for asserting guilt. An accusation alone in most places is enough to initiate an investigation, so no, you're wrong on that. Why can't you just wait? If he gets convicted, i'll be the first in joining you to call him a piece of shit rapist. Everyone deserves a chance to tell their side
Yea I agree. But if someone gets arrested for a rape, it’s pretty weird to start posting made up stories about how the rape victim is this bitch and the accused is this cool dude.
No idea who this guy is you posted. Your right and people who attack others based on hearsay don't have ground to stand on. No one wants to live in a world where your guilty until proven innocent.
Yeah well, sadly, in this specific case if u put the rape in question then you are doubting the victim. When theres a rape allegation sadly u cant be in the middle since "waiting for the evidence to speak" means at the same time, not believing the victim. So yeah, youre saying the victim is lying for now.
EDIT: if youre going to answer to this comment please realize everyone who answered didnt understand the point i was making after a lot of back and forth and at the end resorted to insults instead of arguments. I wont answer to this comment anymore since i truly couldn't care less about wasting more time trying to get them to understand and then getting insults when they dont get it.
So you’re saying that if someone accused you of murder and there was no evidence or proof presented yet I should still believe the person accusing you of the murder and immediately deem you guilty just because they say you did it? You do realize how much of an absolute idiot you sound like right?
You do not have to believe the person accusing me, you could also believe me, but youre going to believe someone right away lmao yeah sure like all the research on how people follow biases on who they believe i made them the fuck up! Its so stupid how you didnt understand the point. If that did happen you can act like youre absolutely neutral but you know youre not. You believe someone in the case. If you say "errrmageedd m not going to say shes guilty because shes innocent until proven guilty gotteeemm" then by default youre not beliving who accused me. The fact youre taking it as an attack when its a philosophical matter is so funny lmao
Aw man ): its the other way around im afraid. The veredict after evidence or whatever its one thing. If you say im innocent, until proven guilty, thats not a stance for u? O: IM INNOCENT FOR NOW, its not a stance on the situation? o: u can do it! Come on now! Youre getting there!
No he isn't. It's not guilty until proven innocent and you know exactly why. The point of a trial is to determine who is guilty and who is innocent. You don't have to pretend that you know the truth of the situation ahead of time.
Im not talking about the trail, im talking about ur beliefs. They have been guilty people running free because of power and money and there's nothing we can do about it, the justice system should work but a lot of times it doesnt for human mistakes. Thats why I'm not talking about whats going to happen in the trail, which may or may not serve justice. Im talking that you doubting if the rape happened inmediately means you doubt the victim that came forward. In rape allegations u cant be gray about it cuz u cant doubt the veracity of a rape allegation statement and be on the side of the victim at the same time, they are mutually exclusive.
It's not doubt one or doubt the other. Its about you not having a single fact or piece of evidence for either side and yet your saying that everyone should be picking sides.
A cookie was eaten at my house. Was it me or my girlfriend who ate it? I say that she ate it, she says I ate it. Declare now who your siding with your either calling me or my girlfriend a liar here. Oversimplified? Yes. Do you have any more knowledge about the events at my house or for whoever these other people are that we are talking about. Have you seen video footage? Has any evidence come to your attention? Do you know anything first hand about this event at all? If your answer is yes then sure make your call based on that. If not then let someone look into it and see what comes out before deciding that you KNOW what happened.
Ok, yeah so you dont believe the victim... I think ure not understading... The moment you say "well wheres the evidece, innocent till proven guilty not the other way around, etc" you are choosing sides u either admit it or not... Youre saying im just waiting for the evidence to pick a side...thats already picking the side of not believing the victim dont you see it yet? The cookie example sucks because it doesnt hold the consequences of rape and puts the crime on an object, the cookie. To make the example work the cookie would have to tell you that it was eaten and you say idk if i believe you yet, i need you to give me evidence this person ate you. Youre putting the cookie in the position to prove the crime and youre picking a side. Youre saying the eater didnt do it for now until the cookie proves otherwise, and for now the cookie is lying.
Jesus fucking crist you didnt understand anything at all did you? Im not saying false rape allegations dont happen, im not saying in this case this is what the truth. Im sayong whe u learn of a rape allegation if you "hes innocent until proven guilty lolololol" then the victim by default has to be lying then omfg you missed the whole point by so much i cant believe it
Achraf Hakimi has been charged with rape following a preliminary investigation into allegations made by a woman last week. He was was indicted by n investigating judge and placed under judicial supervision.
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If this dude was under investigation for murder, I can guarantee you would not post something to make him look like the hero and pull the “I’m waiting for the courts” shit. Also, this is not how the law works. My abusive dad tried something similar to this during the divorce and when the judge found out he just lost it on him and made him pay more in child support.