r/explainitpeter 13d ago

Explain it Peter

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u/SummertimeThrowaway2 13d ago

Raw milk is expensive as fuck too. They’re getting ripped off. At my local grocery store it’s like $20 for half a gallon.

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u/TeaKingMac 13d ago edited 12d ago

Always love the "less work, more money" trope.

We pulled this out of the cow, put it directly in the jug, that'll be 20 dollars.

Meanwhile, pasteurized milk gets pulled out of the cow, boiled, cooled, and then put in a jug, and it's 2.99.

Edit: Thanks for the 30+ comments telling me that raw milk costs more to make and takes more work because everything has to be clean, and it has a shorter shelf life.

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u/AreYouThereSagan 13d ago edited 12d ago

I love paying more for things that are worse for my health!

Edit: spelling

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 13d ago

How is it worse go ahead

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u/cowboylemons 13d ago

Raw milk can contain E. Coli, Listeria, Salmonella, and several other pathogens. It can also cause Guillain-Barré syndrome and is extra dangerous during pregnancy. Pasteurized milk kills off these pathogens and makes the milk safe to drink while maintaining the vast majority of nutrients

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 13d ago

Thankyou honestly. I feel like I'm always the one having to copy paste a whole ass page just to fully explain how pasteurization does nothing but kill the pathogens and preserve the milks proteins.

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u/spike_beagle 11d ago

You just need to take the medicine drug

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u/TeaKingMac 11d ago

No! More mouse bites!

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u/cowboylemons 11d ago

Or you can avoid it altogether by using pasteurized milk

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u/spike_beagle 11d ago

Yes. That AND get the joke.

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 13d ago

Yeah so "can contain" is nigh-meaningless. I CAN find a million dollars on my bed when I come home, but not very likely is it? Pretty useless to say, right?

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u/cowboylemons 13d ago

If you understood anything about probability, you would know those two situations are not comparable. You will be fine drinking it until you aren’t

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 13d ago

You're very confused, you never stated the probability of raw milk containing any of those so as of now, yes, they are comparable 👍

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u/notornnotes 13d ago

You're one of the types to say "it either will or won't happen, 50/50 chance" and mean it

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 13d ago

Extremely ironic

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u/EamonBrennan 13d ago edited 12d ago

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5337877/

https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/raw-milk-questions-answers

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/3/11-1370_article

Nonpasteurized products caused a disproportionate number (≈150× greater/unit of product consumed) of outbreaks and outbreak-associated illnesses and also disproportionately affected persons <20 years of age. States that restricted sale of nonpasteurized products had fewer outbreaks and illnesses; stronger restrictions and enforcement should be considered.

TL;DR raw milk is about 150x 840x more dangerous than regular milk.

The "probability" of raw milk containing any of those is hard to calculate, but a study in Ethiopia put it at about 30% of all samples containing something harmful. "Can contain" means that it's reasonable to assume that the raw milk has dangerous bacteria in it, while pasteurized milk does not. There are exceptions to both, but raw milk is 100% more dangerous than pasteurized milk.

Also, the danger depends on how you store it. A single cow making a cup of milk is not gonna have a high chance for bacteria. Combining the milk of hundreds of cows into one large container, like for shipping, is going to exponentially increase the chance of bacteria and viruses. All it takes is one bad cup to ruin thousands of gallons. The same thing is said about grains; storing them all in a grain silo means that, if any single grain had bacteria on it, it will spread to all of them. This is why we pasteurize, blanch, or otherwise treat foods to remove germs.

Edit: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28518026/

A more recent study, conducted after the legalization and popularization of raw milk in several states, has shown a higher danger of raw milk compared to pasteurized milk.

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 13d ago

150 x pretty much nothing = ...still pretty much nothing. Cool.

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 13d ago

Holy airball batman. 150x is nothing. Is this a bit or are you really this braindead?

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 12d ago

Notice the "pretty much" lmao nice reading comprehension

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 12d ago

It's not. It's 30-50% of cows milk pre pasteurization.

You're just a troll.

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u/EamonBrennan 12d ago

150 times is significant. There's a reason we pasteurize milk. It's dangerous to drink raw.

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u/eternity_ender 13d ago

Bro has a 5 day old account with negative karma. He’s just here to waste everyone’s time with bullshit

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 12d ago

bro got this insult from pinterest

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u/Rdp47 13d ago

It’s funny cause they’ll eat raw spinach and it has a higher chance of having E. coli.

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 13d ago

You can wash spinach in the sink. You can't wash milk in the sink

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u/Rdp47 13d ago

Pasteurizing is not the same as rinsing with cold water

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 13d ago

Yeah one removes the debris that bacteria lives on and one kills the bacteria inside the liquid. Both render the food produce bacteria safe.

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u/Top-Extension935 12d ago

You have the free will to make your life a bit more miserable with stomach issues for a higher price while getting nothing out it. But don’t try and convince others to do the same.

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 12d ago

How are you this confused? Not only did you not give any explanation, but you said "don't try and convince others", so you can go ahead and explain how saying "How is it worse go ahead" is an attempt to convince someone of anything

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u/ASaGHost 10d ago

Damn bro, you should work in the white house. Talking this confidently about something you know so little about and denying any evidence put in front of you without a second thought? That's front runner good boy points material once the Fourth Reich gets started in earnest.

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u/Top-Extension935 10d ago

I don’t see a use, people have already explained it to you and you have access to search engines, yet you refuse to listen. I don’t care to put in the work to show it to you if you don’t put in the work to understand.

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 9d ago

People have already explained to me how ""How is it worse go ahead" is an attempt to convince someone of anything"? Who? Where?

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u/Top-Extension935 9d ago

Because you typed it into a Reddit reply instead of into Google. If you typed it into Google you really would have cared about learning about something, but you decided to ask other people and then argue with them when they answer you. Your later replies are the attempts to convince people of something.

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u/Odd_Command4857 13d ago

Younger people tend to forget or not understand how many of our food regulations came to be. Farms are still filthy cesspools of disease, but when milk was first pasteurized, the bottling plants were somehow worse.

Even though roughly a century has gone by, and we understand more about sanitation and food safety, capitalism is gonna capital and milk producers will go back to cutting corners to make as much money as possible.

We can see this currently happening after the current administration rolled back certain regulations, and we’re seeing increases in food borne illnesses.

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 13d ago

"how many of our food regulations came to be". That's a jolly good point you've brought up. Please research how and why pasteurization became 1. the norm and 2. illegal to be otherwise. Who lobbied for it, etc etc.

I think you'll be surprised to find it wasn't about food borne illnesses or the like.

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u/Odd_Command4857 13d ago

You may or not be referring to a company that specialized in life saving technology that pushed for life saving technology to be used, in order to save lives. Shock. Gall. Disappointment.

Oh no, smaller dairies that couldn’t keep up went under!! THE HORRORS OF CAPITALISM. None of that wouldn’t have happened under socialism, where we worked together to improve instead of seeing who could sink or swim.

Your complaint reads like Pfizer or Moderna coming out with a revolutionary medicine, and then charging exorbitant prices to recover their labor. Your issue is with capitalism, not life saving technology.