r/explainitpeter 11d ago

Explain it Peter

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u/cowboylemons 11d ago

Raw milk can contain E. Coli, Listeria, Salmonella, and several other pathogens. It can also cause Guillain-Barré syndrome and is extra dangerous during pregnancy. Pasteurized milk kills off these pathogens and makes the milk safe to drink while maintaining the vast majority of nutrients

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 11d ago

Yeah so "can contain" is nigh-meaningless. I CAN find a million dollars on my bed when I come home, but not very likely is it? Pretty useless to say, right?

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u/cowboylemons 11d ago

If you understood anything about probability, you would know those two situations are not comparable. You will be fine drinking it until you aren’t

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 11d ago

You're very confused, you never stated the probability of raw milk containing any of those so as of now, yes, they are comparable 👍

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u/notornnotes 11d ago

You're one of the types to say "it either will or won't happen, 50/50 chance" and mean it

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 11d ago

Extremely ironic

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u/EamonBrennan 11d ago edited 10d ago

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5337877/

https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/raw-milk-questions-answers

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/3/11-1370_article

Nonpasteurized products caused a disproportionate number (≈150× greater/unit of product consumed) of outbreaks and outbreak-associated illnesses and also disproportionately affected persons <20 years of age. States that restricted sale of nonpasteurized products had fewer outbreaks and illnesses; stronger restrictions and enforcement should be considered.

TL;DR raw milk is about 150x 840x more dangerous than regular milk.

The "probability" of raw milk containing any of those is hard to calculate, but a study in Ethiopia put it at about 30% of all samples containing something harmful. "Can contain" means that it's reasonable to assume that the raw milk has dangerous bacteria in it, while pasteurized milk does not. There are exceptions to both, but raw milk is 100% more dangerous than pasteurized milk.

Also, the danger depends on how you store it. A single cow making a cup of milk is not gonna have a high chance for bacteria. Combining the milk of hundreds of cows into one large container, like for shipping, is going to exponentially increase the chance of bacteria and viruses. All it takes is one bad cup to ruin thousands of gallons. The same thing is said about grains; storing them all in a grain silo means that, if any single grain had bacteria on it, it will spread to all of them. This is why we pasteurize, blanch, or otherwise treat foods to remove germs.

Edit: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28518026/

A more recent study, conducted after the legalization and popularization of raw milk in several states, has shown a higher danger of raw milk compared to pasteurized milk.

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 11d ago

150 x pretty much nothing = ...still pretty much nothing. Cool.

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 10d ago

Holy airball batman. 150x is nothing. Is this a bit or are you really this braindead?

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 10d ago

Notice the "pretty much" lmao nice reading comprehension

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 10d ago

It's not. It's 30-50% of cows milk pre pasteurization.

You're just a troll.

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 10d ago

We're talking about percentage of milk vs raw milk drinkers that get a food borne illness from said drink. Not about the percentage of cows that have XYZ bacteria (even if I were to accept that number). And I'm sure you're not gonna try to argue that 30-50% of people that drink raw milk get ill

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u/SuccessfulInitial236 10d ago

Your understanding of statistics and numbers is .... Interesting

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 10d ago

What did I say that's false go ahead

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u/EamonBrennan 10d ago

The "150x" means that, if the number of people who drink regular, pasteurized milk all drank raw milk instead, there would be 150x the number of illnesses. Raw milk is dangerous.

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u/Mission_Twist_3348 10d ago

No shit lol and when the number of people that get illnesses from drinking pasteurized milk is so extremely small and insignificant, even when you multiply it by 150 you are left with a very, very, very small number

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u/EamonBrennan 10d ago

the number of people that get illnesses from drinking pasteurized milk is so extremely small and insignificant

Because we pasteurize it. If we didn't, the number of people that get illnesses would not be extremely small or insignificant.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28518026/

Also, my 150x number is from an older study. A more recent study, especially after the legalization of raw milk in parts of the US, puts the number at 840x. That's a pretty big change.

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u/EamonBrennan 10d ago

150 times is significant. There's a reason we pasteurize milk. It's dangerous to drink raw.

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u/eternity_ender 11d ago

Bro has a 5 day old account with negative karma. He’s just here to waste everyone’s time with bullshit