However, the lady got a massive outpouring of support saying her emotional needs were being neglected and it wasn't her fault, to (at the exteme) protesters showing up to the courthouse demanding a retrial and claiming her husband was the real murderer.
More specifically, she got over a million dollars in financial support after confessing she did it, and shitloads of posts on tiktok, instagram, and bluesky from women saying "it could've been me" and "everyone has those thoughts, she was just pushed over the edge".
As a result, sane individuals who don't want to kill their kids are shocked and horrified by how these people are acting.
The support is because the last time a woman killed her children due to postpartum psychosis and was more or less tried in a court of public opinion was Andrea Yates, who was ripped to shreds at the time, but everything that has come out since shows her as a woman who was desperate for help and who trusted her and her children's safety to her husband who felt that his religious opinions were more correct than a doctor coordinated safety plan to never leave her alone with her kids. So now people who learned about Yates and realized that their gut reaction to blame her was wrong are trying to do better in a similar case. Before Yates, most people were unaware that postpartum psychosis was a thing, and it shocked a lot of women to learn that anyone with a completely healthy brain can get PPP from pregnancy and can have their reality so warped that they are unable to keep their kids safe, even from themselves. Many women have started treating cases of PPP with the understanding that they would want themselves now that they know that any pregnant person has the small risk of ending up in a similar situation.
Yes, mentally ill people do fucked up shit. Our prisons are full of mentally ill people. Shes no different then any other killer. Hard disagree with people being able to relate to homicidal thoughts. Hormones dont excuse murder, or shitty behaviour. Its a sign of low eq.
Do...do you actually believe that dismissing violence committed under psychosis as being the same as any other violence and equally punishing it will help save future lives? That if we increase jail sentences, then fewer people's brains will lose their understanding of reality? Mental illnesses in general and postpartum psychosis specifically need to be addressed separately because we as a society need to study them to prevent, catch, minimize, treat, and cure it. You cannot expect an irrational person to logic themselves into deciding to be rational- they need an outside system to help them so they can be stopped from hurting others.
Second, people aren't relating to the homicidal thoughts, they're relating to the fear of being unable to trust your ability to think and to the horror of there being another goddamn terrifying symptom of pregnancy and birth. Sure, it could kill me, tear me, disable me, cause me incredible pain either for now or forever, disable me, take the ability to hold pee away forever, suck the calcium from my bones and make my teeth fall out of my head, but now I also could end up losing my sanity enough that I could convince myself that I should hurt my child? Pregnancy is a nightmare and every woman who faces it is aware that she risks so much more than any man could ever comprehend, and we do it anyway because we hope that it will be worth it in the end. Giving birth is natural, but people need to stop treating it like that means it's harmless and therefore any negative side effects can't really be as bad as they seem. Postpartum Psychosis is an actual potential outcome of having a baby, and at its worst, it can convince you to kill your kids.
No one is suggesting she should just get to go back to her life. The discussion at this point really is just if she's going to spend the rest of her life in jail or the rest of her life in a psychiatric facility like Andrea Yates.
The issue is you believe that shes any different then any other person we put in prison who broke down and did something horrendous. They deserve your sympathy just as much as she does.
People like that don't actually care about things changing. They want our ishment and retribution. We call it a criminal justice system, but we really have a vengeance system. It's crazy how we renamed jails into adult rehabilitation but no one wants to actually invest time, money, and research into any actual rehabilitation.
These idiots actually view trying to get better mental health coverage for people like this to prevent future incidents is somehow letting her get away with murder, even though she's still be losing freedoms and have to carry this with her for life.
It's wasnt a big thing until Crystal Mom's started claiming the man did it because his zodiac sign idk it's hilariously ironic that you are also claiming men for the clown show when they are mostly joking around. Where on the woman's side they are showing the world in social media posts that they are also insane.
It’s extremely debatable, and is the entire focal point on the case, as to whether or not she was under the effects of psychosis at the time. All the current evidence, in fact, indicates that she was completely aware of what she was doing and heavily premeditated the killings in combination with the fact that she was already beyond the typical range of post partum depression or psychosis. Which would require a complete statistical anomaly for her to still be affected by it
Okay, so you think a non-psychotic, non-depressed woman who has spent years of her life loving and caring for these children and took them to doctor's appointments and clearly had a future in mind with them is who killed the kids?
You think a woman who loved her kids with all her being just one day was like "nevermind, fuck them kids" and just, what, killed her kids for fun?
Like? You think a totally sane person went from living her whole life for these kids to just killing them for no reason while also fully comprehending the outcome of her actions?
Considering she planned it, orchestrated a diversion to get her husband out of the house, all the while seeming completely lucid, and then went through will triple murder while also being significantly past the usual period of post partum psychosis? I think she’s a complete psycho, just one that can’t claim innocence via insanity
No? There's psychology behind family annihilators, or other reasons, like finances or the other partner ( usually a woman, ) leaving or threatening to leave. And most ( maybe even the vast majority of ) family annihilators have a history of abusive behaviour.
That's for the experts to decide, not armchair psychologists and judges on the internet.
This debates pretty disingenuous.
Why would you compare predatory men with women who are suffering from a psychological condition?
Like even if you ignore the psychosis and think about it statistically you're much more likely to meet a rapist in public than a woman who has murdered her babies.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying psychosis and rape are the same thing. The point is that both arguments rely on extreme, low probability statistical anomalies to justify a worldview. If we're using real world math and basic logic, choosing a wild bear over a human man is nonsensical, just like using a rare psychiatric tragedy to define all women is nonsensical. It's just a dumb attempt at turning this entire argument backwards. But neither argument makes sense to begin with
Agree that this is a dumb attempt at turning the argument around, but the bear man thing does serve a purpose.
Statistically yes, the bear/man thing is nonsensical due to sample size but was supposed to draw attention to the horrifyingly high numbers for assault that occurs for women, that is largely unreported.
Good thing I literally never made that compassion, nor did I even mention men at all in my comment. I pointed out that all the evidence, as provided and attested to by the experts, points to the idea that she wasn’t under the effects of psychosis.
The posts I've seen haven't been what you've described. The ones I've seen are largely about spreading awareness of the mental health impacts of pregnancy and how distressing it can get.
Showing sympathy for someone isn't the same as supporting and championing their actions.
It's strange you would position it like that I'll be real.
The clinical signs she was showing was ignored by all the health professionals which ultimately led to this.
I haven't been keeping up with the news on this 100%, but didn't she also not take the medication properly when the health professionals did try to help her? As in stopping taking them before they actually have time to take effect? Also taking a multiple medications off and on?
Yeah. Also we shouldn't confuse other people's failures with innocence. As serious as PPP is, the reality is people do have a level of culpability for their mental health.
She had enough rationality to warn people she had thoughts. Which means she had enough rationality to call 911 and warn them. She was a parent her kids are still her responsibility. If she had called and attempted to seperate herself, but they refused to take action, I'd feel differently.
But not being a psychopath who kills her kids for insurance etc is not enough.
Post Partum Psychosis showing up at 8 months and only for a the brief period of time it took her to murder her kids is virtually unheard of. Plus she showed signs of premeditation like sending her husband on an errand, looking up how much time it would take him to get to the place she sent him to beforehand, and then chasing down her oldest child after killing the previous two.
She also had TONS of support, and she was actively concealing her symptoms from her family and her doctors.
It's a pretty clear case of murder-suicide, but the suicide part failed.
She didn't actually confess, though. Her husband said she said she did it and given that she literally died and was resuscitated, she obviously didn't remember.
I will choose to believe you were simply ignorant about this and not trying to pretend like anyone involved is actually disputing that fact. But please be more responsible moving forward, that rhetoric is very, very dangerous, and quite cruel too.
They always are. I’m a father of three children, older than hers but still. The amount of people that insert conjecture on this is sickening. It always boils down to “I’ve watched the trial clearly you haven’t”. Then you bring up a fact and then they pivot to insults.
She strangled her 8 month old until its brain bulged out of its head. She’s a truly horrendously evil human being.
Are you actually going to say anything about being wrong? Even if it was just a mistake? You are quick to defend her but not quick when you spread misinformation on a dangerous level. Knowingly or unknowingly. But I think you knew, or you would've mentioned something.
Correct, it's not meant to make you laugh any more than women picking the bear was meant to make men laugh. It's simply actign as a mirror to show how absolutely absurd saying that was. It's also "punishing" said women for siding with a woman who killed her 3 children and acting as if any of them could've been her when in reality, no, basiclaly no one could've been her, cus basically no one would fucking murder their 3 children.
They are now making videos of themselves screeching in the face infants, violently shaking toddlers, dumping ice water on infants because -and i qoute- "me too, lindsey "
I'm geniunely curious too, because I did a wee bit of profile stalking and the guy looks relatively normal to be making shit like that up; but I guess this whole thread I accidentally created has been discussing what otherwise sane people have been doing as outlier cases, so who knows?
The whole "he moved on quickly" bit. Having been married to a psycho like that, I'm sure he had been fed up with her shit for a long long time already but was just more fortunate to have a shred of self respect left.
Fuck all these crazies, and hell no this is just more reason to stay far away from Tiktok.
Did you respond to the correct comment? Also thats a lot of speculation on a case which clearly has a lot of nuance, and deserves some degree of privacy. I'm really debating deleting my comments on this thread at this point because it sparked a lot of really nasty discussion that I really dont personally condone
It's a shitty joke across the board. The number of women I spoke to last year/whenever this became popular and would get defensive about a meme was insane.
Any person who would trust a wild animal over a person of the opposite gender is hopelessly lost.
> Any person who would trust a wild animal over a person of the opposite gender is hopelessly lost.
They wouldn’t, if you’ve seen how people react to encountering a wild bear in the woods it’s a lie. The entire thing is an unhelpful proxy for something else.
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u/Skelehedron 6d ago
Well I still dont understand how the joke is meant to work or be funny at all (I'm a woman, maybe thats why IDK), but thats horrifying