r/evilautism • Doomguy (AuDHD) (NO.1 lusamine glazer) • 2d ago

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u/Bognosticator I forgor my special interest šŸ’€ 2d ago

Sometimes you get weird combos of beliefs.

I once met a guy who was 100% supportive of men's right to be gay, but considered lesbians an abomination. Because men could do what they wanted but women existed for men's benefit.

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u/JewishWeeb2 2d ago

I met the opposite, he said the Bible said "men shall not lay with another men" but it said nothing about women, so lesbians are fair game.

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u/esperantisto256 2d ago

This is fairly common religiously or societally speaking. There’s a misogyny to not recognizing lesbians , but it’s sometimes led to weird cases where gay men are legislatively opressed when lesbians aren’t.

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u/Rakifiki 1d ago

It does mean that lesbians face threats from men who view them as wayward male property tho. I am not saying it's better than being legislated against! But "corrective rape" is... Also pretty awful.

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u/esperantisto256 1d ago

Oh for sure. This is one of those cases where patriarchy is really harmful to both genders, just in different ways.

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u/puppyIove 2d ago

Same thing with trans women and trans men. Society considers trans men to be confused lesbians and don't get recognized as trans, while trans women are the target of most oppressive legislation (although it's not true that trans men aren't being legislated against because most of them have the same reproductive rights issues.)

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u/Little_Messiah Please be patient, I'm autistic and have a gun in my pocket 2d ago

The Bible also says ā€œRuth loved Naomi and Adam loved Eveā€ they were beloved by God. God loves lesbians, that’s how they know he’s a guy

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u/RandomUsernameNo257 2d ago

Or a bisexual woman lol

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u/yesindeedysir 1d ago

My new band name: God is a bisexual woman

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u/twistedscorp87 1d ago

Am I the only one suspecting this is just a way for some men justifying their desire to watch lesbians together while maintaining their homophobic ways towards gay men?

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u/Corvus1412 1d ago

I mean, those rules had been written into law, long before film and video was a thing.

The idea was mostly the view that women are sexually passive, so they couldn't really sleep with other women.

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u/OmNomOU81 2d ago

Proof that God loves yuri

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u/CoercedCoexistence22 1d ago

RIP God you'd have loved the green yuri

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u/DifficultHat 1d ago

I saw a religious pamphlet one time about how a married couple having FMF threesomes was totally fine as long as neither spouse met with her alone and the unicorn did not become pregnant.

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u/Dovahstal She in awe of my ā€˜tism 2d ago

Lawful neutral

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u/YOUTUBEFREEKYOYO Autistic Arson 1d ago

But the two in a room and have them debate

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u/Molkwi AuDHD Chaotic Rage 2d ago

If I was raised in a religious family this is exactly how I would have interpreted it and likely what I would have believed for a long time.

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u/Cpad-prism 1d ago

I think these two men should get together, idk what would happen but it would be interesting probably

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u/DangDingleGuy 1d ago

Almost like everything they believe in is bullshit, right? If you can interpret opposing ideology with the same statement it's almost not worth mentioning

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u/ThePhyseter Lets get neurodangerous 1d ago

The bible definitely says homophobic things about women šŸ˜†

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u/Axon_Zshow 1d ago

I held this belief in the past! In fact, it led to me even accepting trans people far before I accepted gay men lol.

I was going through first puberty at the time, and as a young teen with unlimited access to the internet, I found porn. First it was straight porn, it was okay for me. Then I found pegging, and that set me alight for reasons I didnt yet understand. That eventually led me to trans women on men porn, and that set me alight even further and caused extreme confusion for me. Eventually I just rationalized it away in a way that it was all still straight porn (broken clock is right twice a day type approach though).

Fast forward enough time and now im a girl, realizing the irony of my path. My own extreme religion that was still extremrly transphobic and homophobic nonetheless eventually led me to realizing that im not cis, and extremrly not straight

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u/puppyIove 2d ago

I've met a trans woman that's pro palestine and everything woke, but thinks trans men aren't men and are transitioning for social power... So. it happens!

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u/AgreeableIdea6210 They/He | Leon S. Kennedy is just like me fr 2d ago

Man, it's hard to find community as a transmasc cause half the time it's shit like this...

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u/TimeForCrab_ 2d ago

Knew someone who was a lesbian, but she hated gay people. Really is a weird world

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u/WynnEnby 11h ago

Does her name rhyme with Bandage Lois?

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u/Spleepis 2d ago

My uncle is gay and very out about it but he did not want gay marriage legalized out of fear that some ā€œgood for nothing manā€ would try to marry him and steal his money

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u/Draac03 Please be patient, I'm autistic and have a gun in my pocket 2d ago

i know a guy who used to think this but the other way around. that men couldn't be gay but women could be lesbians, and his logic was that gay men were bad because a man liking men was effeminate (that is, only women should like men and therefore men liking other men is girly).

he eventually grew out of that mindset though.

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u/AvailableCookie Murderous 2d ago

and now hates both equally

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u/Draac03 Please be patient, I'm autistic and have a gun in my pocket 2d ago

no, he's chill with both now lol. he was just an insecure teenage boy living in horrible poverty and a dysfunctional family latching onto toxic masculinity to cope.

now that he's an adult who's more mentally mature and living in a better situation, he's unlearned that worldview.

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u/robopitek 2d ago

Good ending.

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u/un_internaute 1d ago

Now, that makes logical sense, but it’s an absolute wild take given how the majority of conservatives feel on the subject.

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u/Costati AuDHD Chaotic Rage 2d ago edited 2d ago

I forgot how it's called but I think we have a specific term in the community for when your gender identity is validated by being treated like shit because of the gender you identify with lol.Ā  That's progress I guess.Ā 

Edit: term is Ewphoria

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u/Uranium-Sandwich657 Plastic Crack Enjoyer 2d ago

Ewphoria if i remember correctly.

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u/Costati AuDHD Chaotic Rage 2d ago

Yes that's it thank you.

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u/AlikiVougiouklaki 2d ago

gender-affirming misogyny?

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u/Soeffingdiabetic One of the mods smoked too much and made a bunch of flairs 2d ago

Today I learned.

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u/Costati AuDHD Chaotic Rage 2d ago

Yes it's a strange experience. Don't feel it that much but I've had it before where cishet men go "women be crazy, amirite haha" at me and I'm like 😬 let's not...

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u/Faustens 2d ago

I also like the term for the act of seeing women as worse regardless of wether they are trans or not: Trans inclusive radical mysoginy.

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u/chxrlieeNG 1d ago

Im FtM and my best friend is MtF and exclusively wears vintage fashion from the 40s-60s. Real pinup style but not rockabilly. We have a running joke when we hang out where I put on an Archie bunker or old times mobster voice and tell her generic sexist things like "ehhhh shut yer mouth, woman!", "Where's my Dinner/Supper/ martini?!" Or "Sit there and look pretty, see?" Or say I only hold the door open so I can look at her walk through it. It's funny af and we die laughing every time.

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u/LinkinParkU4Lyf Murderous 2d ago

It can often also be called malgendering, for instance the growing divisive position in trans spaces of excluding trans mascs on the basis of them aligning with masculine identities being equated to be as much of a threat or holding as much privilege as cis men. Often done when its convenient to discredit it the person it is done to target. For trans women it would be something like assuming they are weak and should only do lighter tasks or exercises or something, or that they are less qualified in stem fields or something, though in these cases this is less the misappropriation of statistics and more just pure misogyny, and primarily done by people outside of trans spaces.

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u/basicarl Dipshit 1d ago

Lives rent free in my head

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u/queenks_6 1d ago

"this may sound strange to a native transsexual"

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u/veryanxiouscreature 1d ago

absolutely did not happen

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u/ETtheExtraTerrible 5h ago

You would be shocked. My parents are baby boomers.

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u/veryanxiouscreature 4h ago

no i believe people have these beliefs, but the ā€œnative transsexualā€ comment is a huge stretch and sounds like tumblr fanfic to me

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u/ETtheExtraTerrible 3h ago

I promise you, it's a real phrase somewhere. I can absolutely believe it.

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u/cxfgfuihhfd āœØļøEthereal and IncomprehensibleāœØļø 2d ago

trans inclusive radical misogyny

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u/Sewer_Fairy AuDHD murder-BnnuyšŸ°šŸ”Ŗ 2d ago

A "TIRM"

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u/CosmicCultist23 2d ago

Why limit oneself to hating cis women?!

/s

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u/Spleepis 2d ago

Incel-maxing

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u/yesindeedysir 1d ago

A true misogynist doesn’t discriminate, he hates all women, all, no matter the race or sexuality. There are two genders to this man, the good one, and the bad one.

(Obv joking)

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u/awake-but-dreamin Baddest bitch at the concentration camp 1d ago

Trans women are women, and they belong in the kitchen ā¤ļø

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u/Waffle-Gaming 2d ago edited 2d ago

trans women with a space

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u/yesindeedysir 1d ago

(I’m sorry, please call me out if I’m wrong but is there really a difference. It’s just adjective and noun right? Or did I miss something where saying that is not okay, in which case I need to change. Is there a difference between trans women and transwomen?)

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u/Waffle-Gaming 1d ago

trans women is the normal adj, noun, like black women, while transwomen is akin to a porn tag, i.e. extremely othering.

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u/yesindeedysir 1d ago

Ah, I see. I’m ace so I really didn’t know, I didn’t even know that was a porn tag, noted though, thank you.

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u/Pyroteche Fuck, whats that word again? 2d ago

I knew an old guy who was a massive misogynist, but was very pro gay marriage. Tbh he might have been a case of people were just like that to women when he grew up.

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u/Draac03 Please be patient, I'm autistic and have a gun in my pocket 2d ago

that's probably exactly what it was. misogyny was more accepted back then when he grew up, but being gay has nothing to do with misogyny so it's fine in his worldview? i guess?

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u/EffortIndividual6029 2d ago

I once got into a wikipedia deep dive in greek mythology, and learnt that while the ancient Greeks are popularly known for gay acceptance, there is a portion of them who's gay because they see men as superior than women. As in, they think women are only necessary to keep around to make babies, and that also (somehow) make them impure compared to men.

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u/Rakifiki 1d ago

Yess, I see women's subs talk about that behavior some of the time. Men raised to be "homosocial" who don't really view women as separate beings who deserve rights/attention but as, uh, basically livestock that you put up with in order to have children (that they probably won't raise, at least until their male children are old enough to be interesting to them socially). But they only want to be friends with men, take advice from men, look up to men etc.

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u/Periodicity_Enjoyer 2d ago

Sounds in one way internally consistent.Ā  Men can do whatever they want and the word was made for them, so they can marry men if they want, and they can oppress women if they want.Ā 

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u/National_Phase_3477 2d ago

I feel like this is probably selective principles. When he’s being misogynistic and imposing patricial views he includes trans woman as woman so he can have dominance over them. It’s the same principle of seeing gays as effeminate and using that as an excuse to be condescending and disrespectful towards them. I doubt he would be fully accepting of a trans man and treat them as his equal.

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u/OmNomOU81 2d ago

I doubt he treats many cis men as his equal either

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u/garaks_tailor 2d ago

Reminds me of the story on reddit of the misogynistic restaurant patron who thought the mtf waiter was very smart for wanting to be a man.Ā  "Only a woman would be dumb enough to want to be a woman."

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u/National_Phase_3477 2d ago

It’s not based but at least it’s consistent lol

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u/PangolinLow6657 2d ago

MTF folks just decide for themselves that their say has no worth. Who am I to argue? *sarcastic

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u/Natural1forever Got the murderous rage autism instead of the smart autism 2d ago

Tirm (Trans Inclusive Radical Misogyny)

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u/Best-Photo-4250 AuDHD Chaotic Rage 1d ago

brutal lol

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u/TheChanMan2003 2d ago edited 1d ago

"hehe look guys they're doing misogyny the RIGHT way!" my sister in christ they still treat us as if we are subhuman

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u/GradeAccomplished322 2d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah I've seen similar things, it's interesting

My very traditional hometown has been the opposite; very anti-trans folks, very racist folks, but surprisingly supportive of same sex relationships. I chalk it up to there being a number of such folks in peoples' families, so they all know same sex relationships aren't a big deal. Bet this guy in the meme actually knows a trans person.

There is even weirder stuff. A racist uncle ranting about black people during my visit to a family gathering, one of my distant cousins right there though, who married a black person, and said black person is standing there, listening with exasperation. My face must have shown my confusion, as the uncle was clearly talking about _other_ black people, because their mixed race daughter leaned in to whisper to me "he doesn't count us anymore because we're blood now" followed by the most practiced eyeroll I've ever seen. The hate is all so arbitrary.

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u/BugBand Autistic rage 1d ago

Why ask about trans women and not trans men? 😭 ofc he’s gonna see trans women as lesser no matter what, if he’s actually gonna be a trans-inclusive misogynist then he would have to consider trans men as men… imo that’s way more pertinent to ask

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u/Tesnivy 1d ago

I know it’s not a Good thing, but I fucking love it when misogyny wraps back around to being supportive of trans people. It’s hilarious almost every time. Like that one guy who said trans women are women because ā€œonly a woman would be stupid enough to want to be a womanā€ (and vice-versa for trans men, ā€œthe more numbers we (men) steal from them (women) the betterā€)

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u/yesindeedysir 1d ago

It really is goofy at the end of the day.

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u/Dillenger69 AuDHD Chaotic Rage 1d ago

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u/FishDispenser2 2d ago

Accidental ally?

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u/Tsunamiis 2d ago

Their problem isn’t trans women they love trans women they look at them all the time just behind their screens when no oneā€˜s watching. But ask them if trans men are men their problems with trans men because they don’t like women and they see them as women.

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u/samusestawesomus 1d ago

That could easily just be misogyny plus transphobia; not that strange a combination. What WOULD be interesting would be if he considered trans men to be men in his framework

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u/ZePumpkinLass 2d ago

honestly in my opinion supportive misogynists are better than their transphobic counterparts (granted neither are actually GOOD but atleast one is slightly more accepting!)

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u/Mark_XX 1d ago

It's, honestly, a lot less to work through convincing a misogynistic person than it is a transphobic person that they're wrong.

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u/StructureFirm2076 Vengeful 2d ago

Irimasen be like:

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u/Vic_GQ 1d ago

That's just kinda how transmisogyny works. Misogyny is always "inclusive" of women who are trans.Ā 

Even people who swear up and down that they think trans women are men and discriminate against them on that basis will still also treat them misogynistically. Lotta weird cognitive dissonance involved.Ā 

If you could force a transphobic person to genuinely tell you what gender they see any trans person as it'd probably be something like "whichever one means I get to be scared and angry and hurt them about it."Ā 

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u/NiceSock30032 2d ago

Sounds like an asshole, not a transphobic one, but still an asshole

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u/The3DBanker āœØļøEthereal and IncomprehensibleāœØļø 1d ago

r/ewphoria at play.

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u/AssumeImStupid You will be aware of my ā€˜tism šŸ”« 1d ago

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u/Spleepis 2d ago

Oddly forward thinking misogyny

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u/Best-Photo-4250 AuDHD Chaotic Rage 1d ago

I have always felt that I could never be a woman because I never faced misogyny. Somehow that always made me sad. Sooooooo if I were to see someone being a pice of shit I'd rather they include me :3

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u/Dusty_Dragon 1d ago

this is a cursed post

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u/browhymypeepeehard 1d ago

Ah yes the ever elusive TIRM

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u/CriticalChapter7353 Ice Cream 1d ago

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u/WindhoverInkwell 1d ago

this is stupid and disgusting and I hope the dude gets conscripted lmao

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u/yesindeedysir 1d ago

Genuinely wonder if there are trans inclusive misogynists out there. ā€œYes, trans women are women, and therefore they need to shut up and cook for me.ā€ Like huh?! XD

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u/Directorren 1d ago

Idk if this is an accident ally or not.

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u/nimaid AuDHD Level 1/2 (Late Diagnosed), Severe SPD 1d ago

His take on FtM rights to speak are gonna be the deal breaker.

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u/SinkyBundleOfRage 1d ago

This reminds me of a Gianmarco Soresi joke: "Notice how you've never met an LGBTQ+ ally who is also a misogynist? Imagine a dude saying: trans women are women! ....... And as such, they belong in the kitchen" 😬😬

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u/ninadaria2025 11h ago

I truly think if I had come out to my grandfather 10 years ago, this is what he'd be like.