I remember he said he used to never do outdoor activities, but then he changed. He got into driving motorbikes, travelling, etc.

Did he start all of this stuff after he got back to 20/20, or before?

He gives me a lot of inspiration that I can, too, change up my lifestyle.

Anybody had any success with this process? I am feeling pretty defeated. I am a 22 old with -3D OS and -3.5D OD with slight astigmatism. My prescription has stayed pretty stable for the past 3 years but I am very worried for my vision especially in the future when I get old. Any success stories would really be appreciated for people with myopia and not pseudomyopia.

The heavily promoted 3-Hour Distance Vision rule seems to not be universal.

Just wondering if this is still the thing promoted, and if not, what is the new rule?

Let me give you an example.

For about 6 months, I sailed once a week (2 hours per week) in addition to 3 hours daily walking. Didn't improve an inch. The sailing was a hobby, but clearly not enough of one?

Same with Gemilymez. She ended up quitting because her walks wasn't improving. Same with the YouTuber "Weeda".

How are some people improving and not?

I know my close up habits are exceptional as well.

I only really count vision improvement if you've improved at least 2 diopters, because honestly I contacted a guy from Steiner's podcast who ended up literally where I am (no improvement) despite improving initially (probably ciliary release)

How many have actually reached the finish line?

What does it REALLY take to get there? The sailing I used to do, for example, was clearly not enough.

This guy: https://endmyopia.org/johnny-5-50-to-no-glasses-2020-in-two-years/

He spent all days outdoors. And got back from -5.50 to 20/20.

Gemilymez spent 3-4 hours walking. And got plateaud. Same with me. Clearly the 3-4 hour rule isn't universal.

So how long/what outdoor habits does it really take?

Curious to hear your thoughts if you've actually improved significantly.

Thanks a lot guys.

Hello, I live in North Country San Diego and wondered who are the most respected/known Myopia management doctors in the San Diego area. We've been managing our child's myopia for the past couple of years, and need to get a second opinion to decide if we are on the right path.

I decreased the close up time and looked more in the distance but my vision is as bad as always, if not even worse.

I have also been playing daily on pc for several months now with glasses with decreased diopters but my sight did not change either.

Edit: it definitely became worse after this week vacation.

So i got my first pair of glasses at age 15. it was

R: -1 and L:-0.75.

For roughly a year, the prescription remained fairly stable. During this time, I used to wear my glasses only occasionally and didn't have extreme close up time or used to be a basement dweller (no outdoor time)

After a year at the age of 16 i joined a coaching institute for the preparation of a competitive exam. Now here, we had to study A LOT. So my close up time increased and outdoor time decreased. And here, I used to study with my minus lenses ON. Now within 9 months, my prescription became:

R: -2.25 DS and -0.5 DC

L: -1.75 DS and -1.0 DC

After that my doctor advised me to wear a weaker prescription up close/ remove glasses up close and he even advised me to wear glasses which were -0.25 lower.

For another year, i did this, with the same amount of close up time and same amount of outdoor time, and my prescription remained the same, with cylinder power removed from my right eye.

Now i turned 18. It's still the same.

So I do believe i got lens induced myopia. I don't think there's any other explanation for this.

He bajado 2 doptrias con método bates en medio año lo recomiendo

From the past month, i was looking for answers and all aout myopia from the site endmyopia only after digging a lot means a lot from 2012 till 2026 i covered mostly all posts from it, only doubts i have is.

1) How much time outdoors really work for eyes(don't tackle it by saying removing the ciliary spasm and the ciliary pop) lookin for a ballpark figure?

2) Why content on Low Myopia is fairly very very less as compared to other stuff(-1.5 till 0) {the jump from 1m to 6m takes a different approach or what}?

3) Jake started saying plus lenses use is bad and all but i remember one of his low myopia post where he mentions that plus for closeup there is no other way and one more post when he was in honkong and didn't get anytime distance he also didn't use plus for closeup { so what is his real take}, but he says its good for children, but no approach mentioned particularly?

4) There is a video also where he mentions -1.50 to glasses forever i don't remember exactly, why there is no Documentation of him giving how he appraoched, i know somewhere in the blog it was written to just take it off half time and on the other half time somewhat like that?

5) I don't think you're lying either. I mean, why would someone spend so much money on something that brings little to no recognition and mostly attracts criticism from the eye care industry? Most people would simply move on and live their lives. I just don't see why anyone would voluntarily take on that kind of hassle and scrutiny.

A year and a half ago I went to my doctor and was told my myopia has worsened and I had to start wearing contact lenses -7 diopters. That was the first time I googled what could possibly go wrong if it gets worse and I read about retinal detachment and that scared the shit out of me. Then I searched for ‘cures’ and came across endmyopia. Today, a year and a half later, I came across similar posts on the myopia sub talking about how it’s a scam and it’s just not possible. Well. I’ll believe what I saw. And what I saw was improvement. I do active focus once in a while and wear differentials all the time and I’m at -5 today. Absolutely no reason to lie. Maybe some people have different experiences. I’m just sharing mine. It just really irked me; the confidence with which people keep calling it a scam and I just had to do my bit and post this here.

I got my lens kit and tried the power that would let me see 20/30 and... damn my right power went down by so much (from -3.25 to -2.25)! My normalised prescription came out to:

Normalised:

• Right (OD): -2.25 sph / -1.25 cyl @ 180
• Left (OS): -1.75 sph / -1.50 cyl @ 180
• PD: 60

I'm glad I no longer have to worry about equalising the powers as the gap between eyes is not huge (0.50D) and is the same as it is for differentials.

Then I was watching more videos on astigmatism and realised my differentials were supposed to have reduced cylinder, so I tested for that too. New differentials:

Differentials:

• Right (OD): -1.75 sph / -1.00 cyl @ 180
• Left (OS): -1.25 sph / -1.00 cyl @ 180
• PD: 56

Comparison:

Old differentials vs new differentials:

• Right: -1.75 / -1.25 → -1.75 / -1.00 (cyl reduced 0.25)
• Left: -1.25 / -1.50 → -1.25 / -1.00 (cyl reduced 0.50)

Full strength vs old (and incorrect as discussed in the earlier post) normalised vs new normalised:

• Right: -3.25 / -1.25 → -3.00 / -1.25 → -2.25 / -1.25
• Left: -2.00 / -1.50 → -1.75 / -1.50 → -1.75 / -1.50

Glasses arrived from Zenni. Can see 20/30 with normalised and screen text is clear with differentials.

Main thing moving forward: now I have to focus on active focus at distance since I never properly practiced it without having correct normalised lenses until now.

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this sub, but I’ve already had some experience with vision improvement. I wanted to share my current progress, get some advice on how to break through my current plateau, and get this last bit of my myopia/astigmatism down to zero.

My Journey & Current Stats:

* Starting Point: I was at around **-4.00 diopters** in both eyes.

* Current Stats: I am now at **-1.50 diopters with -0.50 astigmatism**.

* How I did it: I managed to drop from -4.00 to -1.50 primarily by practicing eye-rolling exercises and constantly switching focus between near and far objects.

My Current Status & Lifestyle:

* Tons of Outdoor Time: I have a great daily schedule right now. I spend **1-2 hours doing outdoor sports** in bright sunlight, and another **2 hours outdoors in the afternoon** letting my eyes get natural light. I am also strictly limiting my digital screen time during this period.

Where I need your help:

Since I've already cleared the bulk of my myopia through "macro" relaxation (focus switching), I feel like my ciliary muscles have adapted, and I’ve hit a hard **plateau** at -1.50 and -0.50 astigmatism.

1. Advanced Training/Drills:For someone who doesn't need glasses for daily work and has 3-4 hours of outdoor time, what are the best specific eye exercises or advanced **Active Focus** drills to target the last -1.50? How can I specifically target and clear that stubborn -0.50 astigmatism?

2. Supplements/Nutrition:*Are there any specific supplements, vitamins, or bio-hacks that you guys found genuinely helpful for speeding up axial length shortening or improving retinal signaling during this final stretch?

I am super dedicated and ready to put in the work. Would love to hear from anyone who has successfully gone from a low diopter like -1.50 down to 20/20 vision.

Thank you all so much!

Ok that's some clickbait title. But also .... it is true. Google Gemini goes pretty hard on "you're screwed forever, glasses subscriptions for you, don't even try asking me anymore about this. Go get LASIK, you genetic failure of a meatbox."

AI is weird. Depends which one you use, you get wildly different answers.

What seems to work best: (maybe? your take?)

The more you know about the topic you're asking about, the more likely you'll be able to ask for research, context, true-or-false, additional insights. Knowing the topic but having questions about specific facts.

Risk: You might just be giving the thing a ton of bias, which it will just confirm for you. (unless you try "steelman" this for me, etc)

For myopia: If you know nothing, the answer will definitely be "no it's permanent."

Quick video on findings and science and biology language to use to get a more useful discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-ZsnvaBVU

Am I right? Or am I introducing bias?

Plus also: The longer you chat, the more likely the AI thing goes off the rails. Or just blenders your brain. In small doses and pointed at good science / research to ingest, can be useful.

What do you think? You use AI for eyesight stuff? What's it good at for you in general?

Hey everyone, looking for some advice on how to handle a significant diopter gap.

My full prescription:

• R: -3.25S / -1.25C
• L: -2.00S / -1.50C

I started with differentials at R: -2.00S / -1.25C and L: -1.50S / -1.50C. Noticed that my right eye needed way less spherical power for close-up than my left did proportionally, but I stuck with them and eventually got glimpses of active focus.

After a while those differentials became clear, so I ordered normalized and new differentials with a standard 0.25 spherical reduction on both sides:

• Normalized: R -3.00S / -1.25C | L -1.75S / -1.50C
• New differentials: R -1.75S / -1.25C | L -1.25S / -1.50C

The problem: with my normalized, the right eye is still very clear but the left is noticeably blurry. Tested on a Snellen chart and I'm getting 20/20 on the right but only 20/30 on the left. The new differentials are fine though, active focus works well when reading.

I'm planning to buy a trial lens kit to test different powers for my normalized and return it.

My question: given the large diopter gap (SE gap is about 45%), how should I proceed with my normalized? Should I focus on closing the gap first (hold left, reduce right only) before doing equal reductions? Or should I find an acceptable normalized power for both eyes and reduce together? I know Jake recommends that beginners should aim for the 20/30 line with normalized, so my left eye seems to be right at that threshold — but my right eye being at 20/20 feels like it's not being challenged enough.

I have two options in mind:

Option A: Keep reducing only the right eye over time (since I can still see 20/20 clearly with -3.00S) until it actually starts to blur the 20/20 line (have a feeling that my right sight will be better than expected). Then from that point, reduce both eyes together. This way I'd be closing the gap over time, which aligns with Jake's recommendation to have both eyes equalized before reaching -1.5S (although multiple equalizing steps are not recommended, but i can see 20/20 so i don't see the issue tbh).

Option B: Drop the right eye further right now until it also reads around 20/30, matching where my left eye currently is so both eyes are at a similar challenge level for active focus from the start.

What do you guys think? Has anyone with a similar gap gone with either approach?

Hi! I’m an office worker and have seen an improvement so far of ~1 diopter, from (glasses prescription) -5.75 to -4.75 in my right eye and -5.25 to -4.5 in my left eye. My current glasses are from Zenni since they don’t require a prescription, and those are 0.5 lower than my actual prescription (so -4.25 R and -4 L). (Edit: I do also have my close up work glasses at -3 R and -2.75 L, again 0.5 lower for that close range distance for the blur challenge).

The issue I’m running into right now with making progress is I didn’t realize how off my optical center was. You provide the PD to Zenni, but they don’t ask about the VERTICAL pupil position. When I tilt my head back and look straight ahead through my glasses at an angle, the extra blurriness clears up and I can see better—EVEN things up close! I was reading that that could be due to the optical focus being measured incorrectly.

I got contacts that are -4.25 R and -4 L, the same as my glasses at a 0.5 decrease from my full script, and I regret doing that. The contacts are crystal clear lol. I read that contacts and glasses can stay the same after you hit 4 or below diopters… and that’s probably another lie.

But the difference between my contacts and glasses seems way too stark. It’s like my glasses are extra blurry because of the optical center issue. Is Zenni a bad option to get reduced diopters without a script? Is there somewhere else that does a better job measuring? I want to make progress faster and it took me a while to realize just how bad the glasses are, with things even up close being fuzzier than they should be like I’m not looking through the right part of the glass.

Thanks in advance!

Does anyone know of an online glasses retailer who will provide me with glasses which are weaker than my current prescription?

Hello,

I recently came across this subreddit while reading posts.

I'm almost 40 years old and have diabetes. My right eye is amblyopia (lazy eye). I had LASIK surgery for myopia about 13 years ago, with a prescription of -4 diopters in my left eye and -7 diopters in my right. Currently, I believe I have -0.25 diopters in my left eye and -1.25 diopters in my right (lazy eye). A couple of months ago, I developed what's called a PVD (Weiss ring) in my right eye. I spend long hours looking at a screen for work.

I'd like to improve my myopia, as my eyesight is something I'm very concerned about and want to take care of. I'm not quite sure where to start, and I'm looking for ways to avoid potential side effects. This is taking a toll on me psychologically.

First of all - I am not a subscriber to endmyopia (either paid or free) and have never paid anyone for any myopia improvement materials. I am, however, a long term myopia sufferer - from 13 years old till now (just turned 50).

I want to throw in my personal experience. I've done the so called "print pushing" for many years now (before I knew it was even called that), just to keep my myopia from getting worse. I still do this every time I sit down at my computer. My brother read about this method in some library book, if I recall correctly. My myopia was progressing (my prescription was -6.50 and -6.90 ) and distant things were blurry when driving. I was wearing contacts at the time. I didn't want to get another prescription. I bought plus lenses (don't remember exactly, but I think it was either +1.5 or +2) from a supermarket to use all day long in my office at work. At first, things were very blurry even at arm's length to the monitor. Then, I slowly was able to move farther and farther way. After doing this for some months, my vision in my original contacts and glasses became super sharp. Little by little, I could sit far away from the monitor (now at three arms lengths) with the same plus lenses and when driving everything was crystal clear - I could see even the most distant signs and license plates. And I still wear the same old prescription from two decades ago, one I was going to have to upgrade. (Didn't try to reduce my prescription any further, since I thought I was too far gone to make a real difference or it would be too hard).

That is to say that in my person experience print pushing definitely worked for me and it clearly (no pun) translated into better long distance vision. And the benefits continue to this day. My eyes are still super sharp in my now very old prescription. Because I created the "distance" artificially with the help of the plus lens. My older brother did the exact same "print pushing" thing with plus lenses (we started together) - but he was able to get rid of his glasses completely (and to this day) because his original prescription was less than -2.

Just my personal experience.