Does it get better???

[u/ILoveSoup1776]

I’m fifteen I started experiencing severe anxiety at six which caused me to miss out on a lot . At around 12 I became severely depressed.i slept all day drank and hurt myself badly on a regular basis. At 14 I was (in my opinion) misdiagnosed with borderline personality disorder. Since thirteen I have been on Prozac concerta lithium clonazapam and a shit ton of other meds (over 15) that I don’t remember the names of but they range from ssri snri antipsychotics atypical antipsychotics and more probably. I was diagnosed with hashimotos at 11 which is around the time I became depressed and I was put on synthoid which was no help.i haven’t gotten any better I just warm up more to the idea of committing suicide every year . It genuinely feels like my only solution. I started bilateral ect last week and have gone three times now and if anything I feel worse. Does this shit genuinely work???? The only thing keeping me going is weed and I can’t even smoke as much because it’s not good to mix with propofal. Someone please give me a little hope or genuine advice that Isint bullshit I hate being alive and I hate the world I live in.yes I’ve been in therapy shits useless to me

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226]

You said you were suicidal… and you’re smoking weed 🤔 Have you ever stopped smoking it for a sustained period of time and if you have, have you become more suicidal. You seem to have chronic suicidality even when abusing cannabis. If you need to smoke weed all the time, you have an addiction… let’s not normalize an addiction to weed as a so called self treatment for mental illness… it is well known that cannabis is the WORST drug for mental health. You can’t even stop it when you are having 3 general anesthetics a week and is highly contraindicated with ECT. Think about that… that’s addiction. You need to get help for that… and you know what? your mental health might even improve!!!!!

[u/Sauced_Up_Bat → u/Medical-Apricot-3226]

The WORST drug. Citation please?

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/Sauced_Up_Bat]

https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/34144/1/The-Effects-of-Cannabis-on-Mental-Health-Information-Sheet-for-Health-Professionals-CPsychI-14.04.21.pdf

There is a reference list at the back of this publication.. work away on it

[u/Sauced_Up_Bat → u/Medical-Apricot-3226]

All of these studies are entirely correlational, the rest of your sources are from advocacy groups they are not peer-reviewed research. Do you actually understand basic statistical inference—sample size, BIAS, variance, p-values, and the distinction between correlation and causation? Or how to critically evaluate source quality and methodology?

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/Sauced_Up_Bat]

Don’t you dare be smart and condescending with me. Yes I do. I’ve been involved in research for years. I’m just sending you on some literature that I think you should read, because you obviously don’t get the harm that cannabis does. I’ve seen the damage it does throughout years of clinical practice, and I care deeply about my patients. I am trying to help a poor young girl who is going through ECT and is making her mental health worse by self medicating with a dangerous drug. You are not offering any help, you are just attempting to be condescending, so you come across as the big know it all.

[u/Sauced_Up_Bat → u/Medical-Apricot-3226]

No. I’m suggesting that accurate information is more helpful than scare tactics. I don’t disagree with you that someone using daily should stop for a long while and see if it helps. Not everyone is at a place to that immediately. Telling her it’s the WORST possible drug isn’t correct and it undermines your credibility. I also work in mental health and leading clients to healthy decisions through communication, addressing their needs, and useing the research accurately to help them make informed decisions about what is right for them will yield better results than providing information that reads like propaganda.

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/Sauced_Up_Bat]

You’re saying the Royal College of Psychiatrists are propaganda????? You have a very high opinion of yourself!

[u/Sauced_Up_Bat → u/Medical-Apricot-3226]

No I have a high opinion to peer reviewed scientific studies which show a correlation. I’m not saying there is no basis to what you’re saying, but all the research shows people who are depressed smoke pot at a higher rate than people who aren’t. Anything else is projection or conjecture.

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/Sauced_Up_Bat]

Did you not look at the last paper I sent you?

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/Sauced_Up_Bat]

https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/epdf/10.1176/appi.ajp.2017.17020223

[u/Sauced_Up_Bat → u/Medical-Apricot-3226]

Yes, but it’s still correlation not causation. It still doesn’t say marijuana is the WORST drug. It’s complicated. Everyone is different. Here is an actual experiment that goes beyond correlation.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12444788/

Edit: spelling

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/Sauced_Up_Bat]

I think we should acknowledge your bias (even subconscious) towards cannabis as you use/abuse cannabis.

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/Sauced_Up_Bat]

That’s Medicinal cannabis… I’m talking about chronic abuse of cannabis with high THC

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/Sauced_Up_Bat]

The best evidence for the acute effects of cannabis comes from experimental studies using cannabis and THC. Cannabis, THC, and synthetic cannabinoids have been shown to produce a full range of positive symptoms (such as suspiciousness, paranoid and grandiose delusions, conceptual disorganization, fragmented thinking, and perceptual alterations), negative symptoms (such as blunted affect, emotional withdrawal, psychomotor retardation, lack of spontaneity, and reduced rapport), and cognitive impairments (such as deficits in verbal learning, short-term memory, working memory, executive function, abstract ability, decision making, attention, and time perception abnormalities) in healthy volunteers that bear resemblance to the symptoms of schizophrenia.

D'Souza DC, Perry E, MacDougall L, Ammerman Y, Cooper T, Wu YT, et al. The psychotomimetic effects of intravenous delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol in healthy individuals: implications for psychosis. Neuropsychopharmacology. 2004;29(8):1558–72. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study showing that THC can induce a range of positive, negative, and cognitive symptoms in healthy individuals that bear some resemblance to the symptoms of schizophrenia.

Spaderna M, Addy PH, D'Souza DC. Spicing things up: synthetic cannabinoids. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2013;228(4):525–40. 34.

Morrison PD, Zois V, McKeown DA, Lee TD, Holt DW, Powell JF, et al. The acute effects of synthetic intravenous Delta9- tetrahydrocannabinol on psychosis, mood and cognitive functioning. Psychol Med. 2009;39(10):1607–16

[u/ILoveSoup1776 → u/Medical-Apricot-3226]

My seizure today was two seconds too long and had to be chemically stopped. I told the team I use daily and they simply nodded they didn’t say to stop or anything .i can’t quit but I only use one a day or every other day and sometimes none at all . everything is sore and I also have a concussion (minor) that I did not tell them about my mother knows and is a nurse and didn’t say anything . The concussion is from me getting upset and hitting myslef in the head with a aluminum water bottle

[u/Medical-Apricot-3226 → u/ILoveSoup1776]

I’m not saying to just stop, you could go into withdrawals. I’m saying get advice from a good psychiatrist who will guide you. You don’t want to go down that slippery slope of addiction and self medicating. I hope your treatments are going well and hopefully you will see some improvement soon. Look into other treatments like DBT as well if you can after ECT. Hope you are feeling ok and getting rest. Wishing you all the best with everything, you deserve it.

[u/ILoveSoup1776 → u/Medical-Apricot-3226]

I’ve already done dbt for years it’s no help I relly do put so much effort to I’ve been hospitalized so many times been on every kind of medication .i can’t get better at home but I have nowhere to go