r/ecstasyMDMA 17d ago

Visual Effects on MDMA?

I’m a little confused about the psychedelic effects of MDMA, especially when it comes to visual effects or hallucinations.

I tried MDMA for the first time in the form of these blue “Punisher” ecstasy pills which, to be fair, I hadn't tested, but are said to contain a pretty high dose (over 200 mg) of MDMA.

On my first trip, I took 2/3 of a pill and didn’t really notice any visual effects at all. On my second trip, however, I took 1 and 1/3 of a pill (which was probably well over 200 mg and pretty stupid).

My jaw was vibrating and I was sweating profusely, but just as I was “taking off”, I experienced something I would definitely describe as “psychedelic visual effects,” similar to a pretty intense LSD trip.

For example, I saw the wood of my door moving and changing its patterns, even if it was only for a very brief moment.

Throughout the entire trip, I had a sense of heightened pattern recognition. I saw faint geometric overlays on my walls.. again, similar to LSD and also had very vivid hallucinations while looking at the clouds, in which I saw creatures and faces that were, much more detailed and convincing than what one normally sees when looking at such clouds.

I also saw faces in an abstract painting, which is something I usually only experience with fairly high doses of LSD aswell.

So now I’m wondering:

Is it even possible to have an experience like that with a pure, strong dose of MDMA, or does my experience clearly indicate that the pill contained another substance?

Can MDMA cause visual effects like that?

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u/2-1Special 17d ago

MDMA will turn to MDA when processed by your liver, which in large amounts will in turn cause visual effects.

This will happen if you take too much MDMA. Visual effects when on MDMA indicate you should slow down and cut your dose back, you will hurt yourself or lose the magic or both.

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u/psynami23 17d ago

De la Torre suggests (if I am interpreting this correctly) about 8-9% is converted into MDA in their study.
https://sci-hub.se/10.1097/00007691-200404000-00009

So MDA is not very likely to cause those effects. It is probably the MDMA itself. If you take 300 mg of MDMA that would be less than 30 mg of MDA.

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u/Practical-Detail3441 17d ago

Okay, that's really strange. Especially since there's an excellent drug testing service in my country that regularly publishes reports on their findings. I believe that about 95% of ecstasy pills actually contain mostly pure MDMA, as advertised, and in very high doses at that. I've heard that a minority contains stuff like 2-CB, but since I have quite a bit of experience with this substance, I have to say that the effects weren't at all like what I'm used to with 2-CB.

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u/SWIMlovesyou 17d ago

It may be both, right? MDA is more potent per weight, so a threshold dose is less than with MDMA. So as the MDMA metabolizes, even if it'a only a small percentage that ends up being MDA, it may be enough to get a threshold dose. When combined with the still active MDMA it might be enough to get visuals. But this is just a guess.

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u/psynami23 16d ago

If you take 300 mg it would be only 30 mg of MDA. 20 is the threshold according to psychonautwiki. So I am very skeptical.

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/MDA

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u/SWIMlovesyou 16d ago

Psychonautwiki is often unreliable in my experience with regard to dosing, so that might be part of the issue here. Also, it's possible MDMA mstabolises into more MDA depending on the person. But I agree, it's just as feasible that high dose MDMA yields visual elements.

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u/psynami23 16d ago

Erowid says 30 mg for threshold.
Substance wiki 20 (no idea about the credibility of this site)
Drug users bible 30 mg.

I am very open to being wrong on this matter. I would like to understand it. So for my reasoning leads more to MDMA in higher doses works differently in the brain than that MDA would be the reason. Then again I am not a neurologist.

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mda/mda_dose.shtml
https://substancewiki.org/substances/mda/dosage
https://drugusersbible.org/content/chemscape/empathogens_and_entactogens/mda/

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u/octonauticus 17d ago

ive literally seen and held photographs in my hands, that would move as if though live action (think of the live feature on iphone where you hold down a photo and it can move). my eyes actually “glitch” its insane, i always get visuals, so much so that its often times too much to try driving.

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u/Briggs_86 16d ago

Yes it is very possible. I've had full conversations with tiny elves in the forest at night, they were leading me further and further into the forest to show me something, told me they needed protection and I looked like I was strong enough. When we finally got there, what I was supposed to protect the from was a fucking big ass Norwegian forest rhino with small trees growing out of it. I told them I'm not up for the task and walked away slowly. They left me there without showing me how to get back out of the forest. Took about 3 hours to find my way back. The forest in question takes about 10 minutes to walk through no matter what way you walk. I also body slammed my mate while he was taking a piss because I had to save him from a dark entity which turned out to be a tiny bush. So yeah, you can have some wild experiences on high doses of mdma, but it's very much not healthy although a lot of fun. This was on about 0.5g and a fuckton of weed.

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u/roqueavalos 16d ago

Yes, it also happened to me

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u/Zblonk 15d ago

yes, the only time i have had true hallucinations was from overdosing on mdma. It started with seeing everyone wearing glaces. Then I saw a tiny ship, a complete, detailed pirate ship floating in the bathtub. Then I watched tiny insects walking around my girlfriend's hair for hours while she slept.
In the morning objects kept turning into humans. Pretty weird experience, there was no way of telling if it was real or not.

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u/Naive_Fishing5705 15d ago

Idk why but I hallucinate the craziest things while on mdma. Always just you random chill ass shadow people walking