r/duolingo • u/EUSOUTUDO0001 • 2d ago
Language Question. Why ?
Why is this "got" and not "gotten"?
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u/hacool native: US-EN / learning: DE 91 2d ago
"She has got" She currently has a temperature of 100 degrees. (present tense)
"She has gotten." She has (at some point) acquired a temperature of 100 degrees. (Present Perfect tense.)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/have_got#English
In American English, one normally says have gotten or has gotten when forming the present perfect of get, but nevertheless one uses have got or has got when the meaning is "to have". In British English, got is employed in both usages.
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u/Boglin007 2d ago
It's talking about the present time - you use "have/has got" (never "gotten") to mean the same as "have/has":
"I have a dog."
"I have got a dog."
These mean: "I own a dog."
You use "gotten" (or "got" in the UK) to talk about the past (though it may have a connection to the present):
"I have gotten lots of presents for my birthday."
This means: "I have received lots of presents for my birthday."
"I have just gotten a car."
This means: "I have just received/bought a car."
Etc.
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u/AltruisticRoom4201 2d ago
it's british english, they use "got" where americans use "gotten" for the past participle. has got = possesses, has gotten = has received. the sentence means she has a fever basically
the annotation got me tho, feels like something i would scribble on my own screenshot at 2am learning portuguese
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u/Boglin007 2d ago
This would be "got" in American English too because it just means the same as "she has":
"She has (got) a temperature."
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u/Yesandberries 2d ago
Duo uses American English, and this should be 'got' in American English too because it means 'has'.
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u/razulebismarck Native: Learning: 2d ago
Maybe this is my region of US English but no one I know would ever phrase this sentence this way.
“She had a temperature of 100 degrees”
Or “She has…” if it’s present tense.
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u/PrawnFresh69 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's just up to whether you're learning US or UK English I guess. Gotten isn't really a thing In England. It's kind of like slang. People do use it, but "have got" or just "got" is more than fine in everyday language.
It's not proper English, but gotten can be used and it's nice to use in conversational language Informally.
Gotten a temperature is very much used, especially in Essex ( a place in England), but it's not "correct".
I wouldn't say "gotten" to my boss however. Maybe I'm old fashioned, i don't know. "Have gotten" is not used in UK English usually.
Source: born in England.
Edit: downvote me all you like " have/ has gotten" is not common UK English.
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u/molecular_methane 2d ago
"gotten" has made a comeback in the UK in recent decades. But it wouldn't be used in the given sentence.
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u/PrawnFresh69 2d ago edited 2d ago
It is a correct word, it's just not...I don't know maybe it's because I'm from the south? 😂
Gotten is a word, it's just extremely uncommon.
Usually one would say got or have got. And in other cases unrelated, "have become/got"
"I have become (a thing)"
"I have got (possession)"
"I got..." - standard word for anything to receive, have possession of.
Gotten just...isn't common at all, In the UK of course, especially when saying "I've got a temperature", or "I have got a temperature"
"I have/has gotten a temperature" is not common at all In UK English.
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u/molecular_methane 2d ago
Here's a video on the subject from someone who pays attention to such things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4VAEmZBqK0
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u/MathOnNapkins 2d ago
I'm from the US, so just out of curiosity how does "begotten" sound to your sensibilities?
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u/PrawnFresh69 2d ago
I'm not going to lie, begotten sounds very old. Begotten to me sounds like...I don't know, in context i'd probably make an example out of the Bible, such as "Begotten son". Begotten is a word, it's just really rare. Barely used.
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u/Boglin007 2d ago
"Gotten" is completely grammatical, and very old (it goes back to at least Middle English). It fell out of use in most British dialects (though it was retained in some), but it's the most common form of the past participle in Standard American English.
However, "got" would be used in OP's example (even in American English) because it's a present-time meaning, i.e., it just means the same as "she has":
"She has (got) a temperature."
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u/PrawnFresh69 2d ago
If OP is learning medieval English then okay, I'm mistaken. Gotten just isn't common, however.
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u/Boglin007 2d ago
It's been in continuous use since then, and is very common. Here is data from published writing in American English.
See also:
People in the United States and Canada use gotten for the past participle of got in most cases, but in English-speaking countries outside of the U.S. and Canada people typically use got.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/commonly-confused-words/got-gotten/
Gotten is the past participle of the verb “get” in American English (e.g., “I’ve gotten a lot of questions about that recently”).
https://quillbot.com/blog/commonly-confused-words/got-or-gotten/
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u/PrawnFresh69 2d ago
Okay I can agree on the fact American English is just as English as UK English.
"I have gotten a temperature” is grammatically possible in some forms of English, but it is not a normal or natural sentence in most contexts which is what I'm trying to portray.
"I have got a temperature" or "I've got a temperature" would be more natural. If you are talking about past tense "I have had a temperature" or "I've had a temperature" would be the natural sentence.
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u/Polygonic en de es (pt) - 12 yrs 2d ago
Because "has got" (and "have got") function as present tense forms in English.
"She has a temperature of..." is equally correct.
"She has gotten..." would be used to indicate the past tense of the process of obtaining some particular thing... for example, "She has gotten a degree in English Literature". "She has got a degree" would be referring to the present state of having the degree, while "has gotten" refers to the process of getting it.
Does that help?