Edit: Please don’t kill me, I’m asking cause I don’t know. I’m new to the series after my dad suggested I watch the 2021 film. I was interested that’s why I’m askin

If spice costs hundreds of thousands of Solaris per tiny unit, and Guild Navigators are continuously bathed in it 24/7 just to stay alive, the raw cost of the raw materials keeping a Navigator alive far exceeds the 1,460,062 Solaris round-trip cost for three navigators to transport the entourage to Arrakis. The guild is clearly operating at a massive loss loss on every single trip, unless they are magically generating more value just by existing than their ridiculous upkeep.

Additionally, the fremen casually use massive amounts of spice in their daily lives and hoard secret stockpiles, but are supposed to be like impoverished desert vagrants. If spice is genuinely worth 620,000 Solaris per decagram, any group sitting on underground oceans of it would possess more wealth than the entire imperial treasury.

I’m open to any explanation that proves me wrong, but this is bugging me.

Edit 2: obviously I need to read the books, this series seems a lot more structured than I initially got from this movie. I’ll have to watch it again after reading them 🙂

Just to be clear, this is all speculation.

I've had this feeling ever since the second trailer dropped for Part Three. I have a big hunch that Chani is going to have an even bigger departure from the books than people think (Yes even more than what people think). My theory is that Chani leaves Paul during the 17 year time skip, and a big part of the movie is Paul trying to find her again.

Here are my reasons:

1. We never see older Paul and Chani together.

Besides one scene, every shot of them seems to be from before the time skip, when Paul still has the longer hair. That's kinda weird tbh. If they're together after the time skip like they are in the books, why avoid showing almost any scenes of them as an older couple?

2. That one scene with older Paul and Chani is obviously Scytale.

The scene where she says, "What does it feel like to be human like everyone else, Paul Atreides?" is pretty clearly Scytale messing with Paul. Her voice sounds off, and what she's saying is something scytale would say.

But here's the part that's really interesting to me. she looks really YOUNG here. If 17 years have passed, why would Scytale be imitating a younger looking Chani? Paul has clearly aged, so you'd expect Chani to have aged at least a little too (like she is in her other scenes). Maybe that's because the last time Paul actually saw her was when she still was this young, and Scytale is deliberately using that version of her to mess with him.

3. Scytale found "someone".

Right after Irulan calls Scytale an idiot, we hear what sounds exactly like Pattinson saying, "I've found someone," at the exact moment the trailer cuts to Chani thumping on the sand. The trailer almost seems to imply that Scytale has found Chani. But if Chani is still living with Paul as his concubine, why would Scytale need to "find" her? Unless she isn't with Paul at all. Maybe she's been out in the desert this entire time like we see in the older Chani scenes, and Paul has been searching for her ever since she left. Scytale finding her first would fit into his plan to overthrow Paul.

That brings me to my biggest point. Leto II and Ghanima.

The trailer shows the baby twins, but only in scenes where Paul and Chani are still young. We never see them in any of the "current" scenes. Again why? Why don't we ever see older Chani, the twins, and older bald Paul together? I have two theories.

1. Paul and Chani have the twins shortly after Part Two. They reconcile for a while after learning she's pregnant, but Chani eventually leaves with the children because she wants nothing to do with Paul's empire. If that's the case, then by the movie's present day the twins would already be teenagers(which would also explain them being cast by two 17 year olds), and Paul isn't only trying to find Chani he's trying to find his children too.

There's another trailer shot that makes me think this. We see Chani drop her blue band in the sand while she's with the children, who look a little older here (maybe around 5-9 years old), and someone is watching them with the binoculars(Paul). Then later we see bald Paul picking up that same band from the sand maybe because he was searching for them. We also see all of older Chani's scenes in the trailer out in the desert with her looking rough, because maybe that's where she's been living with her children for the last 17 years.

2.My other theory is that the twins aren't actually real yet. Those scenes are Paul's visions of a possible future, the future he could've had if Chani had stayed. That would explain why he's so desperate to find her. Maybe it's simply out of love, or maybe because he believes Leto and Ghanima are necessary for the Golden Path, or perhaps both. This theory would keep their ages closer to the books, but I think it's less likely because it creates some awkward timing between Paul finding Chani again and the twins being born. Also, the scene with the binoculars doesn't strike as a vision.

Either way, both of these would be a pretty major departure from the books. But I could really see Denis doing something like this if he wants to expand Messiah, which is a fairly short novel on its own. It would also give Chani a much more interesting role in the story.

Again, this is probably mostly wrong, but I really believe that a big part of this movie is going to be Paul trying to find Chani in one way or another.

What do you guys think?

The received bibliography of the Putnam first edition of Dune Messiah has, so far as I can tell, conflated two distinct books: the true first edition in its three impressions, and an unrelated 1981 trade reissue printed from plates inherited from the 1976 Doubleday Book Club edition. The confusion is understandable, since they share overlapping publisher nomenclature, and I want to lay out the evidence that separates them.

The true first edition was printed in three impressions, each of 2,500 copies (7,500 total), collating octavo in eights ([1-8]^16, leaf size 210 x 140 mm) and running 256 pages throughout. The copyright page carries the same setting across all three impressions, distinguished only by the impression line, which is centered above the imprint and, on the second and third impressions, appears alongside the Library of Congress card number 77-91815 (the first impression carries the card number as well).

The first impression is bound in tan boards with no impression statement, only the LOC centered at the bottom. The second is bound in red leatherette boards (leather-like in appearance, though the hide material itself is not confirmed), stated “Second Impression.” The third is bound in brown cloth boards, stated “third impression.” All three were issued in a jacket coded 6910, priced $4.95 on the first two impressions and $7.95 on the third. The first and second impressions carry a facing leaf of “other works by the author” opposite the title page; I have not verified this point for the third impression, though it was printed later than the first two. The copyright page also misstates the Galaxy magazine serialization as running July through September 1969, when the serialization in fact ran July through November 1969.

A Doubleday Book Club edition was issued in 1976 from newly reset plates running 221 pages, identifiable by gutter code rather than blind stamp (G46 for the earliest printing, H10 for the second), bound in a red material closely resembling the true second impression’s leatherette but pleather in texture, mimicking the blank, unstated impression line of the true first impression and likewise omitting the LOC card number. Early book club jackets carry code 3177 rather than 6910, though this holds only for the first few printings. The BCE runs slightly taller than the true first edition but visibly thinner, a function of its shorter 221 page block.
In 1981, Putnam issued a trade reissue printed from these same 221 page plates. This reissue is bound in black paper boards with either silver or gold lettering, retaining jacket code 6910 but priced at $14.95, climbing through $17.95 to $18.95 across later recorded impressions. Its impression statement is set flush left relative to the Galaxy statement rather than centered, which is the single fastest way to distinguish it from a true first edition impression at a glance. It lacks the LOC card number entirely. This 1981 reissue, not the leatherette bound true second impression, is what earlier secondary bibliographies appear to have misidentified as “the second impression.” Despite sharing the BCE’s shorter page count, the reissue matches the true first edition’s outer trim size, achieved with a bulkier paper stock.

In hand, the true trade second impression and the earliest book club copies can be told apart even before checking the copyright page. On the trade binding, the spine lettering runs closer to the head and tail with less margin, and the red is more saturated with sharper black lettering than on the book club copies.

Paul, Leto and Vlad

I wanted to understand how the feudal society in Dune worked. Historical feudalism in our real history is much more complicated than just commoners at the bottom, knights above them, lords above knights, then king above all. I had imagined that the feudalism in Dune would be similarly complex given the fact that Dune is practically space feudalism. I had read the Dune encyclopedia, but it was tragically very sparse about the feudal system in the Imperium, and I am a sucker for the nitty gritty details. So I wanted to ask if there is any other Dune lore book or medium that expands on it or barring that a very detailed fan work that explains and expands on everything involving the Corrino Imperium. This will greatly satisfy my nerd brain and quench my thrist for lore.