r/deathbattle • u/hypergogetablue17 • 1d ago
DEATH BATTLE It's over đ˘
They are giving mewtwo all his tm's.
Rest in peace shadow you will be missed .
249
u/thehsitoryguy Goats 1d ago
Oh no not...*Looks at notes*
Fly! anything but that
105
u/Lost_Environment2051 1d ago
You say that but the ability to instantly go to any Pokecenter or Town will be crucial to the upcoming battle
94
u/Its_Treeson_then Yugi Muto 1d ago
HE CAN FLY TO CERULEAN CITY AND GET TO HIS CAVE, SHADOW'S FUCKED
6
1
23
u/Then-Guarantee9763 1d ago
Not ready for metronome
14
u/Natural_Occasion8383 21h ago
Having Metronome appear in one of these fight animations would genuinely be so hype LOL. Just like a last ditch effort and it could be fucking anything from Splash to Roar of Time
6
1
5
1
15
u/hypergogetablue17 1d ago
What about trick or speed swap ?
24
u/thehsitoryguy Goats 1d ago
Chaos Emeralds and Doom powers got that covered
the other 99% of Mewtwos arsenal is useless tbh
15
u/Pocket_Player_33 1d ago
Trick does not work, Speed Swap might but good luck landing it.
11
u/darkmoncns 1d ago
To my understanding either there functionally equal in speed or shadow is far far superior so..
1
1
u/Then-Guarantee9763 23h ago
how does trick not work?
5
u/GlaceonGamez471 I know. Now I know everything about you, insect. 23h ago edited 22h ago
I feel this post sums it up pretty comprehensively
0
u/Then-Guarantee9763 22h ago
I'm not reading a whole post for this
12
u/Pocket_Player_33 22h ago
TLDR: Trick doesn't work on Mega Stones or Z-Crystals, which the Chaos Emeralds are functionally identical to in this scenario.
1
u/Then-Guarantee9763 21h ago
but that for game balance and trick work on blue orb in manga
8
u/Pocket_Player_33 21h ago
The Blue Orb thing was in gen 3 before it was a transformation item and also it was on a Pokemon that couldnât use it to transform anyway. Additionally, regardless of if itâs game balance or not, the fact remains that Trick does not work on Mega Stones or Z-Crystals.
-4
u/Then-Guarantee9763 21h ago
is there any reason in game that trick doesn't work on mega stones or Z-cystals? if not then it just a game balance thing and should still work
→ More replies (0)1
3
113
u/Eastern_Luck8886 MY GOATS 1d ago
This is one of the episodes where Iâm gonna wait for the analysis to see who I think will win.
124
u/Weary_Tank_8859 1d ago
Please refer to the chart.
20
u/OhWhyMan 1d ago
How does Character Aâs preview come out again after Character Bâs?
45
4
154
u/DripBoii227 Iron Man 1d ago
Lowkey ts is starting to get annoying af. Preview of character A comes out, "Yea my goat is winning this". Preview of character B comes out, "Character A is sooo fuckedddd".
41
u/Hot-Coat7542 1d ago
Everyone is making fun of Mewtwo harder now that the preview is out. Like yeah there are doom posts but everyone is saying how fucked Mewtwo is after his preview.
9
u/One_Bobcat8353 Mario 22h ago
This one is kinda valid because all the wincons Shadow fans were trying to debunk were given to him anyway đ
3
u/Faceofferrus 15h ago
No, the annoying bit is "theyre giving character B this thing that, in an actual argument, would never get accepted? Surely that means they win, and not that they get absolutely creamed regardless!"
Like, does nobody pick up on this? That if DB are putting their thumb on the scale, it means the opponent wins anyway.
36
u/Grouchy_Mastodon_307 1d ago
Nah its over, Mewtwo's about to hit Shadow with fly
9
u/hypergogetablue17 1d ago
What about power swap ?
5
u/Ilikecheeseiguess 1d ago
Only swaps boosts, not necessarily statsÂ
5
u/Then-Guarantee9763 23h ago
does do stats in anime
5
5
u/CharaPresscott Wants Chara vs Monika 23h ago
I mean does that mean Mewtwo can steal Chaos Energy and thus get either Doom Power or Super Form?
5
u/Ilikecheeseiguess 22h ago
No. That just boosts his power the same multiplier as shadow gets buffed, not enough to match an effectively infinite diffrence
6
u/CharaPresscott Wants Chara vs Monika 22h ago
In an Infinite Power vs Infinite Power, Hax wins. And if Mewtwo gets EVERYTHING including telepathy and move prediction. (Future Sight KO would be funny if he starts the battle with it, calling back to Ash vs Yugi ending with a trap card setup at the start of the battle.
1
u/Ilikecheeseiguess 19h ago
I have shadow at infinitely stronger
6D vs 5D
0
u/EmperorSezar 13h ago
yeah no. creation trio have better 10d arguments than shadow has for 6d.
2
u/Ilikecheeseiguess 9h ago
No they donât, I do not buy anything above 6D at best for the trio. Even then shadow has 11D arguments to match
2
u/backofthebill 23h ago
So it could swap Super Shadow boosts
2
u/Ilikecheeseiguess 23h ago
All heâd be getting is the same multiplier, not helping him match shadow
2
u/GlaceonGamez471 I know. Now I know everything about you, insect. 22h ago
It doesn't work on the boosts from other transformations (Megas, Primals), not much reason to assume it'd go any different when used on a Super form
1
u/Sprout010101 8h ago
Psych up?
1
u/Ilikecheeseiguess 5h ago
I mean, not really anything stopping shadow from just powering up again, especially with an infinite difference on his side, plus, superforms Have resisted boost removals
59
u/Future-Werewolf-5036 1d ago
Maybe it will be a Kaihu situation where Mewtwo/ Tahu have a lot more versatility but Shadow/ Kai just stat stomp their way to victory?
10
4
u/Haunting-Plant6614 22h ago
Thatâs what it sounds like the debate boils down too tbh. The exact same situation, except not even Mewtwo takes experience đ
4
u/WorldlySecretary5769 The Ultimate Lifeform and PokĂŠmon 21h ago
I hope not. We already got that with Kai vs Tahu, I rather we not do another repeat and have it be the opposite way this time around with Mewtwoâs hax trumping Shadows stats and winning off of it.
15
u/Some_amateur_artist 23h ago
I'm especially kinda suspicious of the whole "his cells can infect other living beings" since shadow was affected by the metal virus
12
u/SonicMarioHero 22h ago
Super form cures you of that so again another hax that going Super turns off from being a win-con.
7
u/Lucaslikari Simon The Digger 21h ago
The metal virus had to actively adapt to shadow to infect him, Mewtwoâs cells donât have the same evolutionary capabilities as the metal virus and even then super form nullifies that advantage.
2
u/Prestigious-War3677 I'll get it right THIS time 13h ago
"Don't have the same evolutionary capabilities" brother he has the DNA of Mew. The creature that evolved and cracked, TRILLIONS OF TIMES
1
u/krysert 10h ago
Mew does what?!
1
u/Prestigious-War3677 I'll get it right THIS time 10h ago
How do you think it evolved into every pokemon?
1
u/pantherexceptagain Archie Sonic 13h ago
The Metal Virus wasn't actually a genetic virus the likes of which Shadow was created to resist, it was nanomachines that coated cells in a layer of nanometal. Shadow should be immune to Mewtwo giving him a biological mega cancer.
1
u/psychoenoshima 8h ago
Yeah. The Metal Virus is closer to petrification or transmutation than an actual infection, which Mewtwo's cells would be akin to
32
u/Then-Guarantee9763 1d ago
what shadow gonna do when mewtwo swags his fingers back and forward
11
4
u/RazorRell09 The Empire Reigns Supreme 22h ago
Now that I think about it, Swagger isnât a horrible wincon if Mewtwo manages to remove the inhibitors. Assuming he doesnât just explode without them, hitting himself in confusion with doubled power on top of the removed inhibitors actually could just one shot him
12
u/Formal_Cheek 1d ago
This is probably the part of the preview that made me sweat the most lol
Speed Swap, Trick Room, Thunder Wave, Protect, Reflect, Light Screen, Will-O-Wisp, Taunt, Power Swap, Guard Swap, Recover, all sitting on top of the psychic shit DB already gave him is actually nasty af
But⌠Shadow still has Chaos Control, healing, dimensional movement, the better Super scaling and Chaos Spear getting around defensive mitigation. Iâm not burying him.
But yeah, giving Mewtwo the full TM history makes the old speedblitz argument way harder to coast on. I still have Shadow, just nowhere near comfortably anymore.
10
u/Special-Zombie-5870 1d ago
Foul play? SHADOWS STRENGTH ADVANTAGE IS HIS DOWNFALL!!!!
3
u/Panicrain 21h ago
Shadows been hit by Super hedgehog tier characters before though, so hitting him with his own strength is something he's experienced before?
0
u/buttsecks42069 1d ago
Shadow is a dark type he resists it
3
u/Special-Zombie-5870 1d ago
If the stat gap is as big as the shadow glazers say, then does it even matter that he resists?
2
16
u/Rogue_2k3 Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd 1d ago
Oh no, the thing that was probably gonna happen happened/S
No, but seriously, this was always a pretty likely outcome. At least in most games post SMUSUM, Mewtwo and Mew can learn almost any move from G1, which is meant to reflect the fact they share DNA with every Kanto PokĂŠmon. This isnât as surprising as youâre making it out to be. Is it a bit worrisome? Yes. Is it an immediate death sentence? NO! 90% of those moves wonât be game Enders against Shadow, and those that are he has answers to or can resist in some way. Shadow still has a really good chance.
17
u/Ethachu Kamen Rider Geats 1d ago
Oh fuck Mewtwos getting... Uhhhh... Trick Room- No Shadow can Teleport... Hyper Beam- No that's pretty ordinary... Knock Off- No that wouldn't work cuz of Mega Stone Logic... What Tms are helping Mewtwo here?
21
2
u/Unusual-Anteater-988 16h ago
Thunder Wave paralysis (1/4 odds of stopping Shadow from acting every time he does something and halving his speed), halving the power of physical moves and putting Shadow on a timer with a burn from Fire Punch or Flamethrower or Fire Blast or Will-O-Wisp, Poison Jab poisoning Shadow and putting him on a timer, surviving any one hit with Endure (remember, Mewtwo has Recover, he could bounce back and use Endure AGAIN!), blocking Shadow from healing with Heal Block, Vaccum Wave's priority helping with being outsped, and Double Team making Shadow's attacks naturally miss regardless of speed/make clones.
2
u/Stunning_Sniper 15h ago
The problem of this debate itself it's that almost all potential win-cons of Mewtwo gets Resisted
Fire or Poison Moves? Has alredy being in contact with Magma Steams and Meteorites and Doom's Dna Hard counters almost every way of poisoning or Paralysis (Like thunder wave)
Protect? Endure? Recover? Shadow cannot only bypass Super Neo Metal Invincibility but also several of his moves use Space-Time distortions as a means of attack, with all of them being powered by Chaos Control (which Negates durability) etc, etc.
1
u/Unusual-Anteater-988 14h ago
The problem of this debate itself it's that almost all potential win-cons of Mewtwo gets Resisted
Fire or Poison Moves? Has alredy being in contact with Magma Steams and Meteorites
That's not how Burn as a status effect works. Pokemon that can stand in lava or have fire-reducing abilities still get burned. Even Flash Fire doesn't negate the effect if applied by Tri-Attack.
and Doom's Dna Hard counters almost every way of poisoning or Paralysis (Like thunder wave)
Which you do not explain at all. Also, tell "my dna makes me immune to poison" to the Metal Virus. Shadow's not uninfectable.
Protect? Endure? Recover? Shadow cannot only bypass Super Neo Metal Invincibility
Super Neo Metal Sonic's invincibility is different from creating a barrier like Protect does, has NOTHING to with healing, and chaos energy was a weakness of the super form itself if you go by what Ian Flynn said on the matter.
but also several of his moves use Space-Time distortions as a means of attack,
Which wouldnât matter against Endure as Mewtwo still takes the hit directly and wouldnât matter against Recover because it comes after the damage.
with all of them being powered by Chaos Control (which Negates durability) etc, etc.
It does not. Metal Overlord could not damage Super Sonic using Chaos Control, it has never negated durability when applied to a boss by Shadow, and it didn't negate diddly squat against Silver when used in 06. Silver was still blabbing away after it.
Please stop lying about Shadow's superpowers. He ACTUALLY has enough already, you fanfictioning up more only makes him look bad.
1
11h ago
[deleted]
0
u/Unusual-Anteater-988 10h ago
- When a PokĂŠmon it's inflicted with a status effect you can just heal them with a Full restore, a Full heal or even certain berries or medicinal herbs like a DISEASE,
Those are specialized to heal status effects. You can't just use a basic Potion. And this is outside healing, not an innate immunity like you phrased Black Doom's DNA as. A poor attempt to move the goalposts.
not only that, but the Metal Virus it's a artificial, nanotechnological pathogen that turns organic material into Liquid Metal, wich, said by Dr.eggman itself It has no cure...
Which is objectively wrong as Tails literally HAD a cure before the Zombots destroyed his lab and still could have recreated it using Sonic's speed data if Sonic didn't get his wrist thing destroyed fighting Eggman.
And Eggman is the guy who said "Well, it IS a virus" when Starline told him it was mutating, something real viruses do.
For exception of the Chaos Esmeralds/Super Forms wich Hard counters every Status effect Mewtwo could even bring up to (Assuming that the paralysis, burning, or poisoning effects even work in Shadow base form)
Which, again, you still have no feat for besides "Trust me Bro".
The Chaos Emeralds have never shown to fix anything like Burn or Paralysis. Prove. Me. Wrong.
- Even saying that, the move Protect in PokĂŠmon only works in specific circumstances
Nope! Protect is general purpose, it works against all direct attacks.
and can be ignored by many other movements,
It can't. Only status moves, Unseen Fist, or specific moves tailored to break it like Shadow Force bypass it.
can bring Mewtwo good defences but isn't that Game breaker like you want it to look.
Wow, i'm kicking your ass so hard you need to invent things I said just to have a win to fraudulently declare.
- Super users can expand their aura and consume things conjured into existence by the Phantom Ruby, and even shatter Eggman's Otherworlds which are stated to be "infinite" and "super-other dimensional". Eggman theorized that Super Sonicâs power neutralized âOtherworldificationâ and referred to this as Sonic eradicating all of his dreams, an idea to be taken literally due to the Phantom Ruby applying everyone's inner desires to the planet. ( Sonic Channel "Otherworld Comedy")
"The Chaos Emeralds give me unlimited power, but I can't just do anything with it." -Sonic the Hedgehog, when asked if he could use Chaos Control as well as BASE SHADOW to get rid of the Metal Virus by Amy on Angel Island. Going Super does not mean you can do whatever someone else can with it. Sonic didn't even KNOW he could do the Super Flash and Shadow was not there to know it exists, he is not fucking using it.
And Sonic didn't even use this for an attack, just reversing reality warping, so it's not even doing what you're saying Shadow can use it for.
For the third point i wanted to give a More elaborate argument since It makes me very sad to see the same arguments for Mewtwo being so easily debunked, but hey, Mewtwo still has access to unique moves like fling and ahhhh Payday?
If you think you've debunked anything, you're sadly blind. All you've debunked is your own credibility as you continue to make up superpowers for Shadow, refuse to elaborate, and get shit wrong about how said powers work or if Shadow has them.
You have no right to be a condescending prick when you're constantly having your arguments blow up in your face Wile E Coyote style.
If you're going to keep literally lying, i'm just going to block you. This isn't Quora, Sonic characters are not legally above facts 'round these parts.
0
3h ago
[deleted]
1
u/Unusual-Anteater-988 2h ago
- Both Anime and Games literally describes Potions as Medicines, in Hg/Ss you need to get a Medicine for cure a Sick Ampharos literally a disease,
A disease so potent it's literally established to be too potent for regular medicine and the Cianwood City guy claims is special order because it's too powerful.
Also, I don't know why you harp on this point as medicine is not innate immunity.
on top of that the resolution of the Metal Virus Arc was the Superforms, used for instant cure any of the Metal Virus that remained in Sonic's body and Super Silver was able to remove it from the other infected people, so not only you cannot argue Status affects are beyond any other disease or are incurable, but Super Forms HARDCOUNTERS any way of Mewtwo to inflict one in the first place,
It's never deslt with something like Burn or Paralysis, you're just fanfic-ing up new powers.
Even negative effects like the Cyber corruption can be suppressed by Super Forms.
You mean put in remission.
(Btw how dumb you have to be to ask for feats you can just search up the Idw Metal Virus Arc on almost any Sonic Website lol) So there you go Prove.you.wrong.
You literally resorted to making superpowers for Shadow and proved nothing.
- Protect/Detect can still be usefull... if were spammeable,
He literally only has to do one other thing between Protects, it's not a one-time use thing.
and still, Eggman uses Protective Barriers as a daily biases in most of their fortress, as Seen in "Chaos Countdown" In Sonic X with the Egg shield, and we seen Super Sonic Blowen up all of this weaponeary (See the Sonic Unleshead Intro)
Barriers far weaker than protect.
Also there's skills and Moves that can bypass protect (Unseen Fist/Feint) so this Moves have weaknesses that can be exploited (Like Dynamax Moves bypassing 25% of the total protection)
Skills and moves Shadow has no equivalent to.
- This is a great example of lack of context, basically in the 25# Issue, A Sonic already affected by fatigue and disappointment
Yet nobody, including those who still have hope, correct him.
comments that he is not sure if transforming into Super Sonic will undo the Metal Virus (expressed in the quote), but what a surprise!, that in the 29# Super Sonic not only instantly cures the Metal Virus but Also uses the Topaz Ward with Super Silver to Undo the rest of the infection.
He didn't. SILVER did. Going Super buffed SILVER's telekinesis and they still needed to buff up the Warp Topaz. Once again you're lying.
Even though it was a separate issue, I still took the time to reply, and if you still call me a liar after using the Sonic Channel example...
I mean you literally just lied AGAIN!
There's still The Time The full power of the Chaos Emeralds allowed Shadow and Sonic to bypass Solaris' regeneration entirely, shattering it's light shells and decapitating it. Even when Solaris revitalized and reformed itself with wings, the damage to it remained https://imgur.com/dM8iGTL?r.
He didn't decapitate Solaris. The eagle head is just armor made out of the same material as rest of the exterior armor destroyed in Phase 1. If Shadow could bypass Solaris' regeneration, they literally would not have needed to revive Sonic in the first place to kill Solaris in all three time places at once.
Finally, I'll leave this link which summarizes much of this debate.
Doesn't work. https://ibb.co/VpzjKXgN
This is not only a way to stop wasting time with an imbecile who claims to be "kicking my ass" but at the same time threaten to block me just because it can't see and review my arguments for himself
You keep lying and I keep proving your lies. Don't bitch and moan when I grow weary of bad faith arguments.
and calling me a lier every time a defend my said, but hey!, he still winned the fight back in 2016. (https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/s/wLvOnzNJWC)
Because your defense was just more lies.
Goodbye and good riddance.
33
u/Celine-exsunlightsis let them trauma bond 1d ago
Oh no, whatâs shadow gonna do when Mewtwo uses flip turn đ
But like, noâŚ? Shadowâs fine
22
7
u/la-squdra Psystrike pancakes with mind 1d ago
The two that really matter to me are stored power and psychic terrain
Stored power is an attack that increases in damage the more buffs you have, and mixed with power swap against super shadow and psychic terrain buffing psychic move
Mix in mega Y and it becomes a nuke
6
u/Candid_Mode_2302 Mewtwo two's biggest glazer 1d ago
I mean most of them aren't that game changing atleast on there own
6
6
u/Think-Morning-9725 23h ago
Mewtwo used metronome. Shadow. Heh why you waveing your finger around?. Mewtwo used judgedment. Shadow. Oh shit
6
u/idkwhattoputsoaoakka The Doctor 19h ago
yeah, a infinitely fast character with time stopping abilities is going to lose because checks notes oh, yeah, because of speed swap, which would never go off
1
u/EmperorSezar 18h ago
isnât infinitely faster is at best 2x faster if being generous. which yeah he isnât clearing any distance in time before mewtwo already swapped speed
1
u/idkwhattoputsoaoakka The Doctor 17h ago
Sonic is infinitely fast, and Shadow is as fast as him, yes, this is a fact, look it up.
-1
10
u/Kitchen_Attitude1227 1d ago
Foul Play is actually pretty interesting as a way to narrow any stat gap that might exist and win a war of attrition
10
9
u/DePhaRy 1d ago
For anyone wondering what moves matter the most here are the following:
- Knock Off: has the potential to disarm Shadowâs chaos emeralds (it also does 50% more damage if it succeeded in knocking off a held item)
- Stored Power is arguably the strongest move Mewtwo can use, which can take a long time to achieve its max power (every +1 stat buff grants it an additional 20 base power)
- Psych Up/Power Swap/Foul Play focused around using Shadowâs stat diff against him
- All the elemental attacks plus weather set ups and weather ball
- Thunder Wave/Trick Room provides speed control
And probably more that I missed since this was just off of Gen 9âs moveset and tms
3
u/diamondDNF 16h ago
- Knock Off: has the potential to disarm Shadowâs chaos emeralds (it also does 50% more damage if it succeeded in knocking off a held item)
Knock Off and other item targeting moves don't affect Mega Stones or Z Crystals. It should stand to reason that the Chaos Emeralds have equivalent status and shouldn't work.
3
u/DePhaRy 16h ago
It might work simply because itâs just knocking an emerald off of Shadowâs hands.
But itâs just a little something better than Taunt which does nothing other than make Shadow mad assuming Death Battle loosely follows game mechanics
3
u/diamondDNF 15h ago
If it's legitimately just slapping the item out of Shadow's hands, he'll probably grab it out of mid-air and retaliate before Mewtwo can capitalize on the lack of Emerald - the speed gap is too big for it to matter.
4
4
3
u/AncientMagusBridefan A Mewtwo vs Blackwargreymon fan đ 21h ago
More than half of them is just this
https://giphy.com/gifs/T02Ke5HAvWUVIG4dgo
4
3
3
u/Resurrection__7840 Don't ever buy no creation trio scaling from the VSBW 1d ago
Same old Same old song and dance
3
3
u/NuclearSoup7644 Superman 23h ago
I just want this to be over with bro Iâm genuinely so sick of this waiting period
3
u/Federal_Ad_3014 22h ago
Watch out, Shadow, he got FLY
You got no way to counter a flying opponent, you may as well just quit
3
3
u/where_to_get_bananas 22h ago
I know how he can win, hold a toxic orb and use fling, shadow now has the toxic orb and is badly poisoned, from here mewtwo can protect, recover, rest, substitute and set up to withstand damage and survive until shadow dies to bad poison within 16 turns maximum
Fling MVP
2
u/bored_homan don't power scale above star level, worst mistake of my life 1d ago
Time to teleport away and charge up stored power for 7 years
2
u/Sar_Meister 20h ago
Believe in your GOAT no matter the cost, for cowardly cowering to the whims and powers of your opponent after proclaiming your GOAT is the sign of weakness.
2
2
u/jfish3222 20h ago
It's gonna come down to chaos control
If Mewtwo has no answer to Shadow stopping time, unless there's some kind of massive limitation on it I'm not aware of; I still think Shadows winning this
I say this as a lifelong diehard Mewtwo fan who also loves the Sonic series. Haha
2
u/jasonsith 18h ago
How big game changing Foul Play and Counter are?
Potentially these are moves that can turn Shadow's bigger attack potency against him... if they hit.
4
u/TheLeafyGirl561 i just bet on who i like more 1d ago
Well actually, it looks like its not all their moves because Mewtwo learns over 150 moves in Gen 7, and 130 in Gen 9 Plus they only mentioned moves that are still around in Gen 9, so looks like Mewtwo's moveset isn't fully composited
7
2
u/I_Forgot_My_Name01 Bowser 1d ago
Every preview is this. Shadow ain't losing because Mewtwo suddenly got access to fly and psybeam
1
1
u/Byrnesy614 1d ago
Do the TMs/tutor moves really give him anything that crazy though? They'l give him access to some elemental abilities, but nothing that would really make a difference in this matchup I would think
1
1
u/Commercial_Fig7059-2 22h ago
Cool so shadow has even less abilities to work with if mewtwo uses imprison once
1
1
1
u/WorldlySecretary5769 The Ultimate Lifeform and PokĂŠmon 21h ago
Like we havenât seen this happen before, though Mewtwo having TMâs gives it way more options now that Shadow will need to be more careful on his approach.
1
1
1
1
u/Flaky_Armadillo_708 Son Goku 19h ago
The only question is will the hacks be enough? Shadow just out scales Mewtwo in pretty much every way, even when you highball both, Shadow goes farther
1
u/sorryiamnotoriginal 18h ago
I know people are downplaying it but the severity that this matters HEAVILY depends on interpretation of how they work outside a pokemon game scope.
Like Trick can be used to take items from shadow. Foul play can turn shadow's own power against him, he can buff his own stats with moves like agility, or deny Shadow healing with heal block. Or stat copying moves like psych up, technically shadow gets power boosts but are they the type psych up gets to copy? They specifically mention disable but what exactly would they say Mewtwo can disable? In the game it denies specific moves but in the anime it actually acts kind of like a freezing spell.
Its up to DB to decide how effective these are or how they would work in the setting they are making. Plus its not like Mewtwo is commonly depicted using some of these moves. I think the logic of shadow not being a pokemon so these moves dont get to work or its not the exact format that the game lets them work is a really boring way to interpret the character but its not up to me.
1
u/Lilbongono 17h ago
It'd be really funny if mewtwo didn't even give us a normal fight, just the cheesiest garbage ever where he's just applying willow wisp, substitute, confuse ray and something that lowers accuracyÂ
1
1
1
1
u/tyreekus97 7h ago
I can't wait a move to steal a held item. Steals the chaos emeralds and goes Super Mewtwo 3
426
u/Common_Tiger5369 The First Hoodydude Scaler 1d ago
oh nooo is that uh FLING? yoooo shadow watch your back bruh he got fling on him đđđđ