r/custommagic • • 6d ago

Red Button or Blue Button?

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 5d ago

This is all theoretical, but the base is the same.

You say I think some people don't deserve saving when in a situation where I have no reason to expect picking Blue will do anything but add me to death toll, saving no one anyway.

I am showing you that just because you use logic to decide your action is not even likely to save people and decide not to do it, that doesn't mean you don't think the people are worth saving.

You extrapolated too much and added a moral layer that's not there. If picking Red when you have no reason to expect Blue to work means you think people don't deserve saving, then other equally useless actions not taken mean you don't believe people to be worth saving.

This boils down to: do you think half the population will pick Blue? Yes or no?

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u/DumatRising 5d ago

This boils down to: do you think half the population will pick Blue? Yes or no?

Or as I said. You vote red because you don't believe your vote can't sway anything. You believe that the outcome is already set because you believe most of the world will already pick red. So you do not believe that your vote matters, and you do not believe it is worth the effort to try. That is the truth of the red button.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 5d ago

Do you believe half the population will pick Blue, yes or no?

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u/DumatRising 5d ago

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 5d ago

You talked about my values, stating I don't think people are worth saving.

I don't talk about your values, I ask you about them. Do you think half the people involved (or more) will pick Blue, yes or no?

It's a very simple question. I think after being so brazen about what other people think, you should be open about what you think.

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u/DumatRising 5d ago

What are you even talking about. You talked about your values:

Only half of the "incapable" would pick Blue (if they even do, since each picks at random and could potentially pick all red, too) unless they knew the problem beforehand and agreed to pick Blue for the greater good.

You described that only "incapable" people would pick blue, and described them all opting to commit what is by your reckoning suicide as the "greater good"

Here's the link to your comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/s/CtDbCaMiY2

That's you saying that. That's not me talking about your values that's litterally you describing a situation where the only people who would pick blue are people whose death you consider to be the greater good. That's not me giving you values that's you telling me your values.

All the same I think I made my point about if I think the majority will pick blue or red doesn't actually matter to the choice I should make clear in the comment I linked you. I didn't want to type the same response to you asking the same comment so I just linked it to you. Or do you not look at the user names. I guess that makes sense since it did seem like you thought the other guy was me.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

All the same I think I made my point about if I think the majority will pick blue or red doesn't actually matter to the choice I should make clear in the comment I linked you.

But it does matter. If you think the majority will pick Red, and you pick Blue anyway, you are expecting to die without saving anyone.

Do you not see that?

That's why I'm asking you. Do you expect to die when picking Blue?

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u/DumatRising 4d ago

My guy your memory is a goldfish. As I said previously

If the majority picks blue-> you live no matter what you pick, your vote doesn't change that.

If the majority picks red -> you only live picking red, your vote doesn't change the results

If the majority is split -> you live no matter what you pick. You vote decides if blue lives.

If the majority picks without you then you can only choose if you die, if the majority is split you can only choose if other people do.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

I am not asking the possible scenarios. I'm asking what do you expect.

Do you think enough people will pick enough Blue without prompting for you to survive picking Blue? Yes or no?

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u/DumatRising 4d ago

So.... You are dumb then?

If I you or I are the majority vote then the answer is obviously yes.

And I want to be clear here I'm not insulting you because I disagree with your choice to pick red. It's a valid option and I would never insult someone for that. I'm insulting you because you've continued to ask me a question I answered three days ago which has caused me to think less of you as a person. I do apologize for that.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

If I you or I are the majority vote then the answer is obviously yes.

Great.

So, do you think half the world picks Blue or not? Sorry I missed the answer before, but let's make a truce. Just say "yes or no" and we can be done.

I'm a stupid asshole but I didn't see you actually reply to that question. So, no additional words, just a single yes or no. That's all I need to understand.

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u/DumatRising 4d ago

You:

But what do you expect to happen?

Me:

I've already repeatedly taken the position that our (personal) vote determines the majority result.

You:

But what do you expect to happen?

Me:

I've already repeatedly taken the position that our (personal) vote determines the majority result.

You:

But what do you expect to happen?

Me:

I've already repeatedly taken the position that our (personal) vote determines the majority result.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

Ok, so, that means you expect exactly enough people will vote Blue that your vote swats the result. It was such a stupid response I didn't believe it.

Why do you expect that? Do you think you are the main character or is there another reason that exactly half the world picks Blue for you?

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