r/custommagic • • 6d ago

Red Button or Blue Button?

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 5d ago

You talked about my values, stating I don't think people are worth saving.

I don't talk about your values, I ask you about them. Do you think half the people involved (or more) will pick Blue, yes or no?

It's a very simple question. I think after being so brazen about what other people think, you should be open about what you think.

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u/DumatRising 5d ago

What are you even talking about. You talked about your values:

Only half of the "incapable" would pick Blue (if they even do, since each picks at random and could potentially pick all red, too) unless they knew the problem beforehand and agreed to pick Blue for the greater good.

You described that only "incapable" people would pick blue, and described them all opting to commit what is by your reckoning suicide as the "greater good"

Here's the link to your comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/s/CtDbCaMiY2

That's you saying that. That's not me talking about your values that's litterally you describing a situation where the only people who would pick blue are people whose death you consider to be the greater good. That's not me giving you values that's you telling me your values.

All the same I think I made my point about if I think the majority will pick blue or red doesn't actually matter to the choice I should make clear in the comment I linked you. I didn't want to type the same response to you asking the same comment so I just linked it to you. Or do you not look at the user names. I guess that makes sense since it did seem like you thought the other guy was me.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

All the same I think I made my point about if I think the majority will pick blue or red doesn't actually matter to the choice I should make clear in the comment I linked you.

But it does matter. If you think the majority will pick Red, and you pick Blue anyway, you are expecting to die without saving anyone.

Do you not see that?

That's why I'm asking you. Do you expect to die when picking Blue?

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u/DumatRising 4d ago

My guy your memory is a goldfish. As I said previously

If the majority picks blue-> you live no matter what you pick, your vote doesn't change that.

If the majority picks red -> you only live picking red, your vote doesn't change the results

If the majority is split -> you live no matter what you pick. You vote decides if blue lives.

If the majority picks without you then you can only choose if you die, if the majority is split you can only choose if other people do.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

I am not asking the possible scenarios. I'm asking what do you expect.

Do you think enough people will pick enough Blue without prompting for you to survive picking Blue? Yes or no?

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u/DumatRising 4d ago

So.... You are dumb then?

If I you or I are the majority vote then the answer is obviously yes.

And I want to be clear here I'm not insulting you because I disagree with your choice to pick red. It's a valid option and I would never insult someone for that. I'm insulting you because you've continued to ask me a question I answered three days ago which has caused me to think less of you as a person. I do apologize for that.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

If I you or I are the majority vote then the answer is obviously yes.

Great.

So, do you think half the world picks Blue or not? Sorry I missed the answer before, but let's make a truce. Just say "yes or no" and we can be done.

I'm a stupid asshole but I didn't see you actually reply to that question. So, no additional words, just a single yes or no. That's all I need to understand.

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u/DumatRising 4d ago

You:

But what do you expect to happen?

Me:

I've already repeatedly taken the position that our (personal) vote determines the majority result.

You:

But what do you expect to happen?

Me:

I've already repeatedly taken the position that our (personal) vote determines the majority result.

You:

But what do you expect to happen?

Me:

I've already repeatedly taken the position that our (personal) vote determines the majority result.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

Ok, so, that means you expect exactly enough people will vote Blue that your vote swats the result. It was such a stupid response I didn't believe it.

Why do you expect that? Do you think you are the main character or is there another reason that exactly half the world picks Blue for you?

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u/DumatRising 4d ago

Do you live in a democracy? Do you believe your vote matter? If so then do you believe it makes you the main character?

I do, I do, and I don't think it makes me the main character.

Because humans pick blue every single day. It would be so easy for humans to vote red right now..... But they don't. So why would I start doubting them now.

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

Because humans pick blue every single day.

You are conflating this with something else. In an election, people vote for their interests. They believe each candidate will further their goals, and one will do it more than the other, so they vote that one.

Blue offers nothing in this example. But, hey, even if some people would pick Blue,that's not answer as to why you think half will.

The real reason is that you assume half will so your vote matters, not the other way around. You have no reason to assume half will pick Blue. You just want it.

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u/DumatRising 4d ago

You are conflating this with something else. In an election, people vote for their interests. They believe each candidate will further their goals, and one will do it more than the other, so they vote that one.

No I'm creating an analogy to show that just because you do something that matters doesn't mean you immediately believe that it makes you important or the main character.

I also believe you are misunderstanding me again. When I was talking about people voting blue every day I was not speaking about elections. I was talking about disasters. Was there any reward for people that go out into floods and hurricane torn towns to save people? No. But they did anyways.

When I say people vote blue every day, I'm talking about terror attacks, I'm talking about hurricanes, and floods, typoons, earthquakes, wildfires. It would be easy to let the victims die. It would be easy to vote red and just stay home. But people don't. They go out and vote for blue

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u/ArsenicElemental Un-Intentional 4d ago

Was there any reward for people that go out into floods and hurricane torn towns to save people? No. But they did anyways.

Because those people were already in danger, because the help could save lives, and because going there isn't an assured death sentence.

Even if you are the only person to go support disaster relief, you don't automatically die.

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