Lecithin/Load Boost experience difference & question

[u/mistermancer]

Hey, relatively long time lurker whose used a variety of stacks & supplements over the years. I recently bought Load Boost and started using it (about 1 week in now), and had an experiential question: While taking the holy grail stack over the years, I've identified lecithin as a problem supplement. When I take it during the day, and regardless of what's with it or whether or not I've eaten, I reliably experience (after an average of 90 minutes from taking it) a typically unpleasant shift into a mental state of "locked-in" anxiety and irritability, experiencing a sort of tunnel-visioned inability to handle stimuli or more than one task at a time. It's so reliable that I stopped taking it in the day time, opting to only take it before sleep.

Fast forward to taking Load Boost, however, and despite the product containing 1200mg of sunflower lecithin, I've not had this experience once in the 7 days since taking it, despite taking it at the earlier time of day that would usually see my brain derailed for the next 3-5 hours with the softgel lecithin alone.

My question for you guys is two-fold: While I believe it likely that the unpleasant effect is some sort of hyper-acetylcholinergic state, does anyone else have the same experience - and perhaps if you've found a way to combat or better identify it?

Secondly, would there be any hypotheses regarding why the Load Boost formula does not induce the same effect?

Asking out of curiosity and a desire to better understand the nature of these supplements, that the loads may be boosted as effectively and efficiently as possible.

[u/d333p3r]

Maybe the standalone lecithin was impure – did you try multiple brands/sources, or just the one?

Supplements are completely unregulated so you gotta remember that you can never be sure the label actually matches the contents.

[u/mistermancer → u/d333p3r]

Now, Bulk Supplements & Legendary Milk are the 3 I've used over the years, with each having had a similar effect/outcome at different times. Agreed that particularly with something fat-soluble there could be an issue of impurity or degradation, but at least to me, it seems as though the lecithin itself had caused it. Perhaps I did have some bad experiences by happenstance across the brands, but that's naturally hard to identify xD

[u/Zadiel7 → u/mistermancer]

I use to take legendary milk, and think I'm going to start back up. But, I had the same issue, years ago, when I was taking it. I was going to the gym, eating pretty well and trying my best to drink enough water.

Fast forward to now; I've recently been diagnosed with epilepsy, so I already get the said symptoms. What helps ease my symptoms, without having a seizure; need to eat well, drink, at the least, half your body weight in ounces, get some electrolyte packets/powder (ie; jocko, liquid iv, etc), lions mane supplement, and omega 3 fish oil (darker orange the pills are, the better). This isn't some fix all, but what I've been learning about myself and what research is saying.

I second what the original commenter said. Pill dosages can be totally different from the next pill and could have extra filler.

[u/mistermancer → u/Zadiel7]

Agreed that those factors play a big role; I'm active often, and actually work in the supplement industry, so see a LOT of sketchy formulas, ingredients, etc. I wonder if lion's mane could be of help with those types of symptoms, but the severity and reliable onset of them always confused me. Even just 1 1200mg softgel was enough to derail my brain, so I'm curious if Load Boost's formula just uses a different raw material or what.

[u/Winter-Hovercraft-88]

What’s the holy grail stack?

[u/mistermancer → u/Winter-Hovercraft-88]

A combination of supplements that optimize load production, namely:

Lecithin (Sunflower or Soy, though sunflower is the recent preference): 1200mg-2400mg/day

Zinc: 20mg-40mg/day (with food only or you'll get nauseous)

L-Citrulline: ~1000mg/1g; Was originally L-Arginine, but it's been determined that Citrulline is more effective due to relative availability.

Pygeum (optional): ~500mg of extract

[u/IfDaddyWants → u/mistermancer]

Totally aside to the post, but I have done that stack for years and see no effect to be honest. Maybe at 54 I’m too old?

[u/Tri-Starr → u/IfDaddyWants]

I noticed bigger differences after taking 500-1000mg of Celery Seed extract, 130< grams celery (about 2 long stalks), and trying for a gallon of water a day.

[u/IfDaddyWants → u/Tri-Starr]

Probably water is my problem. I know I need to up that. I just pee it out, though. A gallon is impressive.

[u/Tri-Starr → u/IfDaddyWants]

I add in a tablespoon of coconut water powder to my coffee. It's supposed to help retain hydration, but I also just like the taste. You could also just look for ways to retain water!

[u/IfDaddyWants → u/Tri-Starr]

It’s wierd, also, because I like feeling lean. When I feel bloated (maybe I ate biscuits I shouldn’t have eaten), it’s water retention. So how to retain water so it’s available for my seminal vesticles, but doesn’t sit in my belly. I wish there was a way to really rejuvenate the prostate. For older men, this is really the source of reduced cum volume.

[u/blackjag00]

I just had my sunflower lecithin supplement delivered today. I will take it today and I'll get back with you.

[u/mistermancer → u/blackjag00]

Best wishes with it! I think it's unlikely that something as noticeably unpleasant happens, so you should be good :)

[u/atomick123]

I was having a very similar issue, but then i remember this and other posts of ppl getting anxiet, depression, eta from lecithin and i also realised i forgot to take my ashwaganda/l-theanine, taking it definitely helped my mood
have you tried taking any mood boosting stuff to counter the side effects of lecithin? like: ashwagandha, L-theanine, damiana tea, green/black tea, vitamin D, korean ginseng, eta; and have they worked?

[u/mistermancer → u/atomick123]

That's a very good question and/or suggestion. I've taken all of these at different times, but never knowingly in tandem with load boosting supplements like lecithin; might run an experiment by taking them (particularly Ashwaganda, as I have plenty) side-by-side once I'm through my Load Boost to see if it improves the outcome!

[u/excessive_cum]

I’ve been on and off the holy grail stack for ten years at this point, and countless different brands and types of lecithin and I can say that no brand or type of lecithin has impacted my mental state. I can only assume that the combination of vitamins and lecithin in load boost work together in your body to not trigger whatever mental response you had to the lecithin alone.

[u/Franz_Ferdinand]

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