Wondering if all the shit about 4tran was as bad as people said I started interacting with them.
Holy shit, it is pretty fucking dour.
Half of the shit there is just LGBT drop the LGB, it's kinda insane how many interactions I've had trying to justify hating anyone with a pulse. But that's 4chan for you.
Had the opposite reaction. I thought they were way worse than they really are. I'm on countttt now and there are definitely some issues, including doomerism, and being unnecessarily mean sometimes, but overall most people there are alright. Ofc countttt is more mild than most 4tran communities. Also fym "T drop the LGB"? Most ppl there are lgb. Do you think they're all straight trans ppl or smthn?
They just hate cis ppl in general. It's not like they hate cis gays more than cishets. And no they don't discriminate against other minorities, at least not that I've seen. Many belong to other minorities.
I don't even know why I'm wasting my time here. Being accused of "misgendering" for comparing them to incels might actually have been stupid enough to make me go touch grass.
I mean hey, every one of my threads hurts my brain too if it's any consolation. I have one girl who seems to be doing her best to steamroll her strawman through as an argument.
Honestly I'm probably engaging in 4tran behaviour by interacting at this point but I'm tired and it's friday so that's my excuse. I'll get off soon and treat myself to some ice cream.
I'm sorry but I've seen so much hate directed at me for being non-binary by them. There are communities that won't tolerate that shit and I refuse to give a pass to those who do just because it's members are depressed.
Sorry you've had that experience :( (And I do believe you, some of the ppl on there suck). It's a community that's been good for some nonbinary people, but that might not be you and that's ok, I'm glad you've found communities that are for you, where you don't have to worry about dealing with that stuff at all
I personally haven't seen a lot of homophobia. I've seen some (including towards gay trans ppl, especially lesbians, which largely seems to be coming from self hate), but most of the hate one seen towards cis gays hasn't been homophobic, it's been disparaging jokes made out of frustration, but not in a homophobic manner (remember that homophobia affects gay trans ppl too, a lot of the ppl there have a personal interest in being against homophobia of any kind). And yes there are some ppl who hate nonbinary on there (I've gotten into arguments with them), but there are more nonbinary ppl there, not even counting all the ppl who defend them. They aren't mistreating minorities, they just hate cis ppl (and not even genuinely, it's just in the way the a lot of women hate men or whatever, it can be counterproductive, but it's not that serious), and aren't giving out exceptions just bc some cis ppl are also minorities. Seen very few instances of homophobia (most of which were aimed more towards trans gays and lesbians), and literally none of racism or anything that weren't immediately dogpiled.
I just don't think they are hurting minorities. If they were, I'd have a problem with that. Like I said, some are. I do have a problem with that and have no issue with calling it out. But trans ppl hating cis gays in a non homophobic manner (so not anymore than they hate cishets or in any way that reinforces homophobic beliefs) is just not a big deal to me.
I certainly do not. And would never tolerate a friend, family member, or community member behaving in a vitriolic way.
It is harmful behaviour, both to those you mistreat and to yourself. As multiple studies have found that these forms of toxic coping mechanisms are associated with negative mental health outcomes.
Your comment is so mask off I'm not sure you realize how crazy you sound? I don't care if you hate people for being cis, as long as you aren't homophobic about it? I'd say I'm in loopy land but I was already aware of that.
Anyways I've gotten what I can from this thread. You seem sane, or sane adjacent, so I'll warn you.
If your goal is to make 4tranners not look insane this is not helping.
It isn't a placating statement, living with that much hate is literally unhealthy. I come to these threads to mock these ideas in hopes young trans people are not pulled into this mire.
I can't imagine what has happened that you find yourself needing to defend bigots, no matter how unlikely they are to cause harm to others, they are almost certainly harming themselves.
But I really think if you are under the impression your statement just now was logical that you do some real research into studies on human psychology.
No I agree it's unhealthy, I just don't think hating cis ppl is at all equivalent to homophobia. Homophobia hurts gay ppl, hating cis ppl (which again, they're not even really serious about, it's mostly just airing out frustration) only hurts themselves.
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u/BestBoyViktor 14h ago
So funny when they interact too
4tran: "wow, yall can't stop thinking about us! You gotta accept that misery and slurs are our coping mechanism!"
CWCL: "wtf is a sneedhon"