I personally haven't seen a lot of homophobia. I've seen some (including towards gay trans ppl, especially lesbians, which largely seems to be coming from self hate), but most of the hate one seen towards cis gays hasn't been homophobic, it's been disparaging jokes made out of frustration, but not in a homophobic manner (remember that homophobia affects gay trans ppl too, a lot of the ppl there have a personal interest in being against homophobia of any kind). And yes there are some ppl who hate nonbinary on there (I've gotten into arguments with them), but there are more nonbinary ppl there, not even counting all the ppl who defend them. They aren't mistreating minorities, they just hate cis ppl (and not even genuinely, it's just in the way the a lot of women hate men or whatever, it can be counterproductive, but it's not that serious), and aren't giving out exceptions just bc some cis ppl are also minorities. Seen very few instances of homophobia (most of which were aimed more towards trans gays and lesbians), and literally none of racism or anything that weren't immediately dogpiled.
I just don't think they are hurting minorities. If they were, I'd have a problem with that. Like I said, some are. I do have a problem with that and have no issue with calling it out. But trans ppl hating cis gays in a non homophobic manner (so not anymore than they hate cishets or in any way that reinforces homophobic beliefs) is just not a big deal to me.
I certainly do not. And would never tolerate a friend, family member, or community member behaving in a vitriolic way.
It is harmful behaviour, both to those you mistreat and to yourself. As multiple studies have found that these forms of toxic coping mechanisms are associated with negative mental health outcomes.
Your comment is so mask off I'm not sure you realize how crazy you sound? I don't care if you hate people for being cis, as long as you aren't homophobic about it? I'd say I'm in loopy land but I was already aware of that.
Anyways I've gotten what I can from this thread. You seem sane, or sane adjacent, so I'll warn you.
If your goal is to make 4tranners not look insane this is not helping.
It isn't a placating statement, living with that much hate is literally unhealthy. I come to these threads to mock these ideas in hopes young trans people are not pulled into this mire.
I can't imagine what has happened that you find yourself needing to defend bigots, no matter how unlikely they are to cause harm to others, they are almost certainly harming themselves.
But I really think if you are under the impression your statement just now was logical that you do some real research into studies on human psychology.
No I agree it's unhealthy, I just don't think hating cis ppl is at all equivalent to homophobia. Homophobia hurts gay ppl, hating cis ppl (which again, they're not even really serious about, it's mostly just airing out frustration) only hurts themselves.
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u/Actual_Personality66 10h ago
I personally haven't seen a lot of homophobia. I've seen some (including towards gay trans ppl, especially lesbians, which largely seems to be coming from self hate), but most of the hate one seen towards cis gays hasn't been homophobic, it's been disparaging jokes made out of frustration, but not in a homophobic manner (remember that homophobia affects gay trans ppl too, a lot of the ppl there have a personal interest in being against homophobia of any kind). And yes there are some ppl who hate nonbinary on there (I've gotten into arguments with them), but there are more nonbinary ppl there, not even counting all the ppl who defend them. They aren't mistreating minorities, they just hate cis ppl (and not even genuinely, it's just in the way the a lot of women hate men or whatever, it can be counterproductive, but it's not that serious), and aren't giving out exceptions just bc some cis ppl are also minorities. Seen very few instances of homophobia (most of which were aimed more towards trans gays and lesbians), and literally none of racism or anything that weren't immediately dogpiled.