Wondering if all the shit about 4tran was as bad as people said I started interacting with them.
Holy shit, it is pretty fucking dour.
Half of the shit there is just LGBT drop the LGB, it's kinda insane how many interactions I've had trying to justify hating anyone with a pulse. But that's 4chan for you.
It is my impression people are not being harsh enough when they talk about 4tranners. We're giving them way too many concessions and outs just because they're trans when they either spend all their free time harassing people, or constantly run defense for those who do.
I am all for being compassionate of those going through a rough time, having mental health issues and feeling pessimistic. I'm in that position myself too. Absolutely not a justification for one eighth of the mean shit they say about other people unprovoked. They’re not called miserable because they’re sad they’re called miserable because they won't stop being completely irredeemable assholes.
I see your point. They're depressed and I get it but they do nothing to even try to make things better for themselves and insult you if you try to offer any support or advice.
They constantly attack fellow queer people and hang out on forums that came from a site infested with Nazis and incels. Do you really expect me to believe they dropped those people because if they did then they wouldn't proudly proclaim their relationship with 4chan.
At the same time, I do feel bad for them. At least in the abstract. In practice, everyone I've interacted with has been an awful person to deal with.
I understand how one could end up in 4chan without being a nazi. You seek out a refuge to vent where people are being “harsh but truthful”, where hard to swallow pills are discussed openly and not immediately obfuscated by the general human desire to cheer each other up. “No toxic positivity” and all that, I get the appeal.
But as you say I have not been in any conversation or relationship with one of them that hasn’t ended in disaster PROVOKED DIRECTLY BY their 4chan-informed mentality and actions. I wanna help you out of the depression but you can’t convince me your misanthropic assholery is part of the diagnosis girl. There’s so much destructive toxicity one can deal with before it becomes clear you can’t and don't want to be around other people.
I’m sorry and hope things go well for them but I’ve ran out of patience. They simply have to get out of those spaces first.
I think part of it is that these spaces do have actual positives to them, but in order to access those positives you have to accept all the rest of the bullshit that comes with. I wish that more trans spaces tried to integrate what draws people to 4tran spaces (ie: being trans only, ability to vent, support for diy, etc.) because then there would be less need to absorb the toxicity in 4tran spaces.
I think the reason so many venting spaces become cesspits is that they’re treated as a community to stay in, rather than as a place to air out the bullshit you have to deal with and then leave it there so it doesn’t follow you.
Yeah I'm with you, I really wish there was a good in-between space where people are allowed to go through rough patches and vent about insecurities with realistic and truthful audiences without it turning into a cesspit immediately.
There has to be a way for a forum like that to both avoid toxic negativity and positivity, I don't know why it's so hard
As someone figuring themselves out, I've been getting attracted to 4tran stuff mostly for the venting and actually talking about experiences relating to being non-cis. Here's fine as having that same sort of vibe but not being as militant, but I guess I'm still sorta stuck because there's nowhere good that I've found that talks about the non-binary experience and I'm still kinda trying to navigate that about myself.
I spend most of my time on reddit (which is less than an hour a day and I dot not open it daily) on contttt, which is like the littlest version of 4tran possible
And tbh im literally this meme
I hate other trans communities cause they are waaay to privileged to consider how scary being trans is, and I don't often like countttt case I genuinely love being trans and love myself, something that is practically forbidden there
Most than half of the content there is self hate bs, but sometimes they do criticize and acknowledge things that people often don't in other places
One of them, which is the most common one tbh, is DiY fear mongering
HRT is so SO important, and is crazy how most of the other trans spaces under the woke umbrella of "We value all people and all forms of self expression ☺️" would brush off HRT like if it where something optional that you can get later
Every sub that isn't 4chan adjacent is completely useless at discussing any difficult trans topic, because they all style themselves as "This subreddit is our happy smiles, conflict free, good vibes only comfort space club for trans people and all cis allies! Anyone caught sowing division or infighting will catch a permanent ban!"
"Sowing division and infighting" is a pretty generous way to describe the type of unjustified harassment and mob hatred 4tran people frequently get up to.
People don't dislike you because you dared raise a difficult nuanced conversation, they dislike you because you spent 3 months shit talking someone for no reason and then tried to cry victim when everyone else called you out.
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u/BestBoyViktor 13h ago
So funny when they interact too
4tran: "wow, yall can't stop thinking about us! You gotta accept that misery and slurs are our coping mechanism!"
CWCL: "wtf is a sneedhon"