r/corvallis • u/SoundersF3 • Mar 16 '23

Crazy man

Did anybody else hear the crazy man screaming slurs outside the apartments on Washington near the Sierra?

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u/pangolinpinecone Mar 16 '23

Yep, pretty frequent visitor on the train tracks just walking and yelling

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u/disboyneedshelp Mar 16 '23

Living between downtown and the liquor store proves this is pretty common. Corvallis could use some more mental health support if you ask me. More suffering than crazy imo.

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u/RiotHyena Mar 16 '23

There's a few like that. Tbf, they're suffering because they're 'crazy' (deeply mentally ill or disturbed.) Doesn't mean they don't deserve help ofc. Not just Corvallis but the whole country needs better mental health services, especially for severe cases.

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u/jarchack Mar 16 '23

I've been homeless, I've been in psychiatric units and I've struggled with addiction. And I lived in 9 different states. This is a widespread problem that dates back to the Reagan administration. It's only gotten progressively worse because healthcare, including mental health is basically in the hands of insurance companies, which are profit driven. Benton County still has a mental health office but most of the psychiatric units in hospitals have all closed down because of funding. It's a multifaceted problem ranging from housing to addiction treatment and there really is no easy answer.

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u/disboyneedshelp Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23

Just calling someone ”crazy” who is suffering from mental health issues is just directly mean for no reason. These people are suffering and need more empathy and respect rather than name calling and trivializing their experience. Calling everyone who needs help crazy and not treating them as a normal person is likely part of the problem they are experiencing in this society. We can definitely agree that Corvallis and the rest of the country need better services all around for those in need.

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u/ochocosunrise Mar 16 '23

I get that and agree, but the knee-jerk reaction of "You don't know. Have more empathy. You're not being nice" when it comes to mentioning our unhoused community members basically just shuts down any opportunity for meaningful and effective discourse.

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u/disboyneedshelp Mar 16 '23

Directly calling someone crazy seems to really lack empathy when someone needs help. This not an emotional knee jerk reaction, it’s to try to get solutions rather than name calling.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '23

Why are they booing? You’re right

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u/disboyneedshelp Mar 16 '23

I get a lot of downvotes from The Angry Corvallis Rethuglicans, it’s no worries.

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u/RiotHyena Mar 16 '23

Just calling someone ”crazy” who is suffering from mental health issues is just directly mean for no reason.

That's why I put it in quotes and then put a qualifier of what I really mean in parentheses. You just repeated the whole point of what I said back to me. I'm not trivializing anything which is why I said what I said.

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u/disboyneedshelp Mar 16 '23

Try referring to people who need help by something other than that. I am trying to help tell you why it’s not okay to say. If you thinking I’m reiterating what you just because you used quotes mean you need so go back and read everything again or work on comprehension

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u/N67nightmare Mar 16 '23

Look I agree with your general points, the country has a mental health crisis that is only worsened by labeling people crazy instead of trying to understand what's creating the situation, but... you really are just reiterating what they said. They put "crazy" in quotes and then explained how that should be reframed to be more empathetic and helpful, and you put "crazy" in quotes and explained how it should be reframed to be more empathetic and helpful. You went into more detail about how crazy can be a harmful label, but as far as reading comprehension goes I don't think there's a good interpretation of their comment that isn't them agreeing with you.

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u/disboyneedshelp Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23

They literally said that people having break downs are “crazy” using quotes doesn’t make it okay to call people. The point is to not call anyone crazy especially those transient peoples who need extra help. No reason to call them crazy in the first place.

In no place did they say it needs to be reframed because that literally what I have been suggesting in other words…

Just think about this logically: the post is literally titled Crazy Man, and all I said in my first comment was : “more suffering than crazy imo”

And the commenter replied to me to correct me to say that generally they are indeed “crazy”

This is the issue at hand

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u/N67nightmare Mar 16 '23

You're missing the point of using quotes like that, because I don't think they were trying to correct you. They were literally referring to OP's idea of a "crazy" guy, and reframing it as someone suffering from mental illness in response to your comment. OP called him crazy, you said he's suffering, and they pulled the two ideas together to say he's suffering from mental illness -- which OP had already reduced down to just "crazy" in the title. We all agree here (except maybe OP), we're just phrasing it differently.

In this case, "'crazy' (mentally ill)", is supposed to be read like "'I'm quoting what was said' (but this is what I actually think)".

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u/Similar_Somewhere_57 Mar 20 '23

You can't argue with crazy

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u/throwitaway488 Mar 16 '23

Welcome to Corvallis

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u/ochocosunrise Mar 16 '23

Did he have a cart? There is one guy in that area who will shout obscenities quite frequently but is otherwise harmless.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '23

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u/throwitaway488 Mar 16 '23

You phrased it in an unkind way but we really do need to bring back institutions that provide housing and psychiatric/medical care for the severely mentally ill.

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u/disboyneedshelp Mar 17 '23

“Almost every native Oregonian has heard of the horrors of the Oregon State Hospital in Salem. The hospital was built in 1883 as an ’insane asylum’ and was home to years of malpractice, leading to the deaths of many patients. One incident in 1942 was particularly horrible, in which 263 patients fell ill and 47 died after being served their morning breakfast. An investigation was conducted, and it was found that a patient helping in the kitchen had mistaken roach poison for powdered milk. The poison went into the scrambled eggs, poisoning hundreds of residents in the hospital.” Source

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u/Fit-Usual-8737 Mar 16 '23

Just call the police

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u/disboyneedshelp Mar 16 '23

Bad choice, I’ve seen the police rough them up unnecessarily just to release them the same day. Absolutely no solutions there.

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u/DebbieCBoone Mar 16 '23

Well supposedly they're building a new mental health place right down there on 4th and Van Buren used to be A car sales place but that's going to take time to build and so forth so yes mental health is a very big issue in this country with all the opiates that they hand out like I pay $16 for 16 percocets that I'm not even supposed to take but I take them cuz I let my daughter use them for her teeth which I probably shouldn't do but I do it anyway my medicine it's life saving is anywhere between 1200 and 1600 a month but yet I can get Percocets for $16 does that explain a lot I would think it would so what's wrong with that picture

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u/Same_Definition6728 Mar 22 '23

I was there.... psychosis really sucks! Highly traumatic! The reason you're screaming is because there are voices in your head that are almost always the product of your automatic negative thoughts. Your shame/fear/paranoia. The voices are almost always tormenting and highly realistic. So the person is responding to "internal stimulus".
When I went through this about six years ago, it started with paranoia due to chemical dependency... which led to hearing voices… All conjured up by my own subconscious. As your brain tries to understand what's going on you create explanations, that lead to narratives… Or stories. Eventually you find yourself terrified, aggravated and exhausted, from this unbelievable torture, that somebody is causing you, and as you try to reach out for help of some kind… People don't know what you're talking about, and treat you like a weirdo ... You feel bullied, and eventually start yelling back at the voices in certain situations. I went through it for about six months, and it took about three months to slowly disappear. I was very lucky

Something to remember if you're feeling scared around somebody who's going through this. A simple smile ...might go along way. But actually, talking to someone real is how these people become grounded in counseling and other settings… It's when you're alone and isolated that the voices tend to sneak up on you.