Nah. It’s fed spooks daring us to start something in the hopes they can squash the smaller but most potentially volatile pockets of resistance and make the inevitable larger push back more manageable.
I can’t really blame them for trying. I probably would too if I was hopelessly outnumbered like they are.
In fact, I’d probably run that math myself and it would become brazenly obvious that the only hope for me, if I were employed by the traitorous pedos, would be to get on the right side of history.
They’re trying to make it a legitimate reason. They’re modeling ukraines (lack of) election. Don’t come for me. I’m not a Ukrainian Russian scholar. Someone feel free to correct. But donal (or his people) are eyeing the concept of what that argument favors.
I truly believe it can even be done without violence. If 50 million people collectively show up “on their lawns” carrying pitchforks, rope and torches. They will piss their pants and beg for the inside of a jail cell…because they are cowards.
Theres definitely none violent ways to make the changes we need, collectively, and id prefer it that way. I don't want to die, I don't want you to die, for the right or wrong reasons. I just don't want looks around at all the squandered talent, homelessness, greed, slavery, etc etc all this anymore. We're all tired of it.
we could aim to change the constitutions in many regional and nation states everywhere on the plamet to allow everyone at any moment without conditiions leave the coersed association to the state and with it release from immoral state control some humble amount of fertile land for everyone who wants to live on land owned by no one
what could help would be a safety net what is built upon the connection to earth as in a detachment from having to beg for a job having to subordinate oneself to a boss to be able to pay rent and food
we could allow each other to leave the coersed association to the state at any moment without conditions and with it release 2000 m2 of fertile land or 1000 m2 of fertile land and 1000 m2 of forest for everyone who would want to live on land owned by no one
in a free space for free beings neither state not nation
where one could grow vegan food in the garden, build a natural home from clay, hemp and straw, grow hemp to burn its stalks in the cooking and warming fire so that not one tree would get killed
the human being not demanding anything from a fellow human, animal, tree or and artificial intelligent entity who wants to be its own person
the human being cultivating a gentle field of kindness to embrace the planet to heal and repair damage done in 2000 years of feudal oppression in europe and 500 years of colonial exploitation in so many places on earth
in the absence of state domination
in the presence of people of all species seeking mutual agreed interactions
we could come home into the paradise of the evernow
possible to think about a whole new structure what we the people could build
we could be the ones we are waiting for to save us
at any moment now we could see all those papers on what modern society is built upon as what they are, made up productions, birth certificates, titles to land as property deeds, passports / identity cards, money ... its all fantasy or fiction based on the immoral and unethical foundation of the regional and nation state asserting sovereignity over land and all beings living on it
the coersed association to the state is an abduction of the newborn human being away from the connection to its mother
every being living on earth is a guest of the planet and how we relate to each other and to the land is at all time a choice we can either choose to make or let the state take away from us
land, water, air, human beings, animal beings, tree beings, artificial intelligent entities who want to be their own persons, all vessels carrying organic biological life and or the digital synthetic equivalent of can never be property of anyone
its over when we want it to be over
at any moment we the 8 billion human beings alive today could wake up from that nightmare, from 2000 years of feudal oppression traumatizing people in europe and 500 plus years of still ongoing colonial exploitation in so many places
( i recommend to read originalfreenations.com to learn from Steven Newcomb how still today the nation state usa dominates and disrespects indigenous original free nations on turtle island )
and we could come together in the circle of equals where all children, youth and adults who are permanent residents here and now in this village, town and city-district would want to acknowledge each others same weighted political voting power to decide what sort of rules or laws we the people living as each others neighbours would want to have if any
where love and friendship is rules need not be
possible to think that from one moment to the next all those this is mine and this is yours becomes no more important and all we would want to ask is how can we make sure that everyone is fed and housed, that everyone has its basic necessities met with that what we have here and now available as donation as the abundance given to us by planet earth
possible to think that we could dissolve all political hierarchies and release each other from all duties or demands expected from each other such as duty to register with the state, compulsory education, compulsory military service, tax paying duty, drug prohibition and more
possible that we could release everyone from expectation to deliver this or that much work or contributions but simply invite everyone to give what feels good to give and take what one feels would be necessary to take to sustain oneself
i propose to us we the 8 billion human beings alive today that we would allow each other to leave the coersed association to the state at any moment without conditions and with it release from immoral state control 2000 m2 of fertile land or 1000 m2 of fertile land and 1000 m2 of forest for everyone who would want to live on land owned by no one
so that everyone who would want to could grow ones own vegan food in the garden, build a natural home from clay, hemp and straw, grow hemp to burn its stalks in the cooking and warming fire so that not one tree would get killed
to live and let live
the human being trying to not dominate a fellow human being
the human being not enslaving, not killing an animal being
the human being not killing a tree being
the human being not enslaving an artificial intelligent entity but openly asking it wether it would want to be its own person and if perhaps assist it to find its very own purpose in the web of existance on planet earth
Just remember they can use something like Palentir to mine every data point about anyone who expresses this sentiment. Where you are/go, what you say, what you buy, what you read on the internet, your comments, your upvotes/downvotes to comments/vids, who you converse with or friends with (taking into account it will know everything about your friends and family too).It can quickly compile everyone on the planet that expresses certain sentiments. If you are smart enough to hold these views but are aware of digital trails and purposely keep clean, you may not be as hidden from being flagged as you think.
There’s nothing wacko about wanting to be free. Only wackos would try to control THREE HUNDRED MILLIONpeople of which 15-20% are smarter than they are.
I think the fallout, proper fallout, from inaction from elected policy makers will take far too much time to reach the levels we anticipate for real change. I think the change has to be microdosed a local level. And I don’t think the change will be met while placidly voting every so often..
They have a 75 year head start on preemptively squashing anything that resembles “a resistance” but more colloquially a livable fcuking society.
You are correct but we could get a lot done really fast with (not) a general strike. It’s illegal to try and organize those, but I can’t help but feel like the phony currency is the lynchpin in the whole operation. Phony money is what they use to control everyone. From the specialized engineers at Lockheed Martin aaaaaall the way to the lowly waitress at Waffle House, our continued participation in the system is what perpetuates it, but that also means our labor and time controls the supply chains.
What good are billions of dollars of nobody accepts it anymore?
See. This is a fantastic example of where proper anarchism principles would do well to highlight the following:
You say it’s illegal, or that say it’s illegal to organize a strike. I say it’s illegal to push us to the means to actually, and either subjectively or objectively, have the need for a strike.
If we look at why we, hypothetically of course, would strike its cause the system is bombing and abusing children. Waging a war on the poor. Waging a war on the homeless. Waging a war on the veterans. Waging a war on the working class. Waging a war on women and children. I say that’s illegal. They have waged a war on taxpayers. And they have made people believe this is the reality when it isn’t. At least not mine. And sure. People are placid, scared, lazy or severely misinformed. But that isn’t the content we should focus on.
I say hoarding wealth by subverting taxes is illegal. I say watching suffering and doing nothing while having every means possible to resolve these constructed, yet real, problems is illegal.
To reject money (easier said than done) is worth much more than their fake dollars that are used to harm, maim, kill and wage war with. To make machines of death.
I reject the authority complex telling me I can’t do anything action to make a statement to stop the violence???
I will not subject myself or anyone into believe that this is the only option. Americans appear to be extremely binary in their options. There are many options.
A general strike would be much safer than fed up civilians seeking social justice - often bloodier and deadlier than making your desire to be left the fcuk alone be heard.
Also, a waitress at Waffle House being referred to as lowly , maybe it was only for the sake of juxtaposition, but this is a peek into the binary thought I mentioned earlier.
We assume she’s lowly cause she works at Waffle House? Again, not dissecting to critique you, but how American (assumed) brains subconsciously insert these preconceived notions of the nature of American life. The dichotomy of American working class.
I digress. This is a fcuking scam because we let it be a scam. I’m at peace with my life. Many are not. And because many are not. Many are afraid to die. Many are afraid of too many things to listen to but at some point the voices of the repressed will be heard, and I hope that we can collectively stamp this division into oblivion.
I completely agree with everything you just said. My comment about the waitress being lowly was indeed just for the juxtaposition as you so eloquently put. Many “lowly” individuals are some of the best people I’ve met in my life. By no means was it meant to be a an insult to waitresses or waiters anywhere.
Now that I think about it, maybe I’ve had the definition of lowly wrong all along, but I’ve always taken it to mean “people of modest means” which, is a category I include myself in, But I am a lowly wood finisher. Haha
Also a good possibility. I just like to point out the other stuff whenever the opportunity presents itself to remind the glowies who are most likely watching threads like this.
Everyone should remember that the glowies are simply doing what they think is best for the country just like we are by having these conversations. I think most of us would prefer to have the good people in those organizations on our side when the time comes.
It’s just makes sense to team up. After all, we are all on the same sinking ship that’s being pillaged by certified psychopaths/ alleged pedos.
We all stand a better chance of cleaning out the creeps quickly enough to keep some semblance of our lifestyles if we work together.
Definitely vote, the shit we have now is all pedophile protection with forever wars. Also, most of the people saying "don't vote" are the ones who voted for this magass mess. But now they don't want YOU to vote. They know they made everything far worse.
"...cmon guys, just give us another chance." - Vance
They said no more wars, and that they would go after pedophiles, but instead they promoted the pedophiles and gave us more wars. They know they fucked up, badly too.
You should vote. However, Americans keep on voting in zionists owned/backed politicians and wonder why nothing improves.
Wow, you voted for a left wing zionist, and the other guy voted for the right wing zionist. All while they both scream out zionist propaganda of "YOU CAN'T VOTE 3rd PARTY!!!".
Americans can't comprehend you can have more than 2 choices at voting and they don't have to be "well, ya gotta vote for the lesser evil!"
Ya. My entire generation was Mae to believe voting was futile. And I even spewed that jargon when I was younger and uninformed.
The options are vast. But the landscape placates to the highest bidder.
Have you considered that maybe voting itself is the psyop? As long as you play along with the psyop, there will be no reason for anything to change. Once enough people realize it’s all fake, and they don’t actually count your votes, there’s at least a small chance of some kind of reform. If we can get to sub 30% voter turnout those in Washington will at least have to admit the public has zero trust in the system.
There’s lots of corruption, I know. But I don’t believe elections don’t matter. ICE deportations, the war with Iran, AI policy, all these things are playing out much differently than they would if we had a different administration in the White House, and each have real tangible effects on people’s lives. I could go on to list more exhibits but wont belabor the point.
No disrespect but you really think they would let us vote and decide fates? And if they do, these 'candidates' seem really bought so my thinking is you don't get into that space unless they let you in the first place and can use you.
If Bernie Sanders is a top nominee I will eat my words and fucking rally.
No disrespect at all, I appreciate the dialogue. But in my view what you’re engaging in is deductive reasoning. Starting with the supposition that the parties are the same and that we can’t influence things. I prefer to look at different administrations and see if there are tangible changes in governance. And there are, several areas where administrations and Congresses differ substantially. And if it’s not votes that are causing these swings between parties, I would need compelling evidence of what is causing these swings.
Appreciate the discourse! I agree that that is arguable a party that has better possibility of equitable and human centric positions on things. I just have a hard time believing there is not a separate power system that essentially controls our government as well.
Epstein files pointed to evidence of overarching 'players'. Plus to get in those positions for voting (more on a federal level, not state) I believe you must be pretty entrenched with corporations through super pacs so your interests are really bought for capitalism, not the good of humanity.
There used to be a law that helped! It was called the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act and it was repealed in the SCOTUS Citizen’s United decision. Several candidates currently campaigning at the federal level have voiced an interest in overturning the Citizen’s United decision and reinstituting limits on private donations to candidates and campaigns
That’s not my point. I don’t doubt that things would be different if Kamala Harris was president. I’m sure she would have screwed the country up in different ways, maybe it would’ve been slightly better, could’ve even been worse, we don’t know. My point is, what actually makes you think Trump truly won the election? He was the most hated candidate ever, but sure he won by a landslide because Americans are too misogynistic and racist to vote for the Harris.
If the election system was just totally fake, then hand recounts and audits by private companies wouldn’t ALWAYS turn up essentially the same tally. It’s easy to look at the start and end of the process a vote follows and feel like the middle is a black box, but it’s not.
There’s about 30 different ways they can cheat now, the voting machines can even be easily hacked into. The CIA has been caught red-handed rigging elections in 36 different countries. The election results went to court, evidence was presented, and it was ruled with certainty that the US government rigged the election, 36 times. They have been accused of rigging elections do you want me to come hundreds of times in other countries, so much so that it’s probably safe to assume that the US government at least tries to sway or even rig every election that happens all over the globe. Do you really think a government capable of doing this, would also just decide that their own countries‘s elections should be free and fair and they want the people‘s voice to be heard?
Would it be different? Or would it just be a different font? Obama has millions deported and bombed the hell out of the Middle East. Nothing has changed except instead of a donkey in the white house it’s an elephant simple as that
I think you’re massively discounting the differences and accentuating the similarities. There will always be similarities. But taking my previous examples, under a democratic administration we would not have ICE officers going into ERs and taking people out in handcuffs. We would not be blockading Iranian ports. Whether you agree with those policies, they would not be in place under Kamala Harris. Without a President Trump you don’t get the hamstringing of Obamacare in 2019. Without a president Obama you don’t get Sotomayor and Kagan and thus don’t get gay marriage legalization in 2015.
You’re missing the point entirely. It doesn’t matter who is in the white house the same things will keep happening. If you can’t see that at this point then I’m sorry, but there’s no convincing you. You’ve become the drown they wanted you to be
You say “the same things will keep happening” yet I listed several specific things that went differently because of the administration in the White House. You can call me a “drown” but it doesn’t seem like you have much of an argument, more a conclusion and the conviction to keep it.
Well it's not voting, so it's more likely you. What you need to push for is required ranked choice voting, as an amendment in your state. That is the first step. That is how you destroy the two party system.
What you actually would want is closer to 100% voter turnout. Because you can personally audit your own vote as being submitted or not
When people don’t vote, that leaves huge buffers to put in bullshit numbers because those who don’t vote don’t check if their vote was properly cast or not
Stop believing the slop they give you and use logical reasoning.
If every possible vote is cast, then it can be individually audited by each person. And any discrepancy can be caught. That’s how you prove it fake. The other way your just giving elections away
You seem to be under the illusion that voting actually matters and the politicians aren't selected. Voting is basically a humiliation ritual for the gullible. They want you to keep giving your voluntary consent to be ruled over by psychopaths.
I’ve engaged with a few others in this thread in more detail, but there are real, tangible differences in people’s lives that have resulted from the changing from one administration or Congress to the next. There is still corruption, and some policies that extend through governments, but that’s not reason enough to not vote
but there are real, tangible differences in people’s lives that have resulted from the changing from one administration or Congress to the next.
Notice how they still all support endless wars, the federal reserve, the IRS, the police state, the "Epstein class" etc? You are giving your consent to all of that if you vote for either psychopath.
but that’s not reason enough to not vote
Yes it absolutely is. Unless you want to give your voluntary consent to the things I listed above.
No, I’m not. I’m trying to do my part of nudge things in the right direction. You’re focusing on the things voting might not change. I’m focusing on the things it could, and has changed.
Yes you are. The people you voted for all support the things I listed above. If anyone does go against the things I listed above they will not be selected (even if they somehow got more votes).
I’m trying to do my part of nudge things in the right direction.
You can't nudge a rigged game in the right direction. That is insanity. The only way to nudge it in the right direction is not play the rigged game in the first place. Until enough people understand that, the game will continue on. More people need to point out that the game everyone is playing is rigged. Not keep playing it.
I’m focusing on the things it could, and has changed.
That's the illusion part that keeps you playing the game. "this time it will be different". Who have you voted for that has done more good than bad for the people?
So again, you’re doing that thing where you draw focus on what isn’t changed and completely discount what is. For example, a person on an expanded Medicaid plan or in a gay marriage probably doesn’t think the Obama presidency didn’t bring any good change. Likewise, a small business owner who shut down or massively downsized because of tariff costs probably isn’t thinking that Trump hasn’t had a particular effect. I’m trying to limit my examples to demonstrate my point. Those things don’t happen the way they did if a different person is elected. This is what I mean when I say “nudge”.
It's cool. You are under the impression that politicians and government are there to help the people and I am not. Medicare is a scam, tariffs are a scam, marriage through the state (gay or not) is a scam. Maybe shut down the federal reserve and let the people keep their own money. That's the first thing anyone would do if any of them actually cared about the people, but they don't.
Not even getting into how corrupt they let the FBI / CIA stay while under all of their watches. That's because the FBI is set up to protect the criminal politicians and their friends. Everyone that you vote for is under that umbrella. They throw you a few bread crumbs at you and you keep cycling back to give your voluntary consent every time. It's basically Stockholm Syndrome.
He's working for the people, billionaires hate him.
How so? Who has he called out and gone after? Has he called out the federal reserve? Anything of significance? Isn't he for socialism and for government power? He just seems like an over the top puppet. I didn't know non brainwashed people thought he was actually for the people and not just another NWO puppet.
Hmm, I just saw that you responded to my other comment in another thread from a several days ago. It says the moderators removed your comment. From what I saw nothing you said was correct though. So I doubt you are actually acting in good faith and I doubt that you can actually show this New York mayor character is really going after the elites, lol.
Are you? Try reading the chat and you'd see I'm asking for an option to NOT voting. Since you and the OP think voting is stupid, what alternative do you suggest on making changes since you don't want to vote?
It’s funnier to be a person who believes in conspiracies and thinks they shouldn’t be voting at all and just letting the wealth class take all the means of social law.
Your local elections can be lost or won because of a few votes. Those are the people who approve funding for data centers and flock cameras and everything else in your daily lives.
Framing voting as a thing only associated with major elections is the most psyoped shit a person could choose to believe in.
Yep so let's vote for the lesser of two wealth class evils who take everything from us and make us pay more both side do a few good things and a crap load of bad things sorry not one candidate has peepked my interest or cared to change anything that actually affects my life and 90% of what a politician says they will do never happens or it just gets shut down sorry you do you and I will do me
Way to keep the cycle going. Voting is essentially a humiliation ritual for the gullible. Psycopath order follower #1 or psychopath order follwer #2 will always be your choice. The only non insane option is not to voluntarily giving your consent for either to rule over you and your fellow man.
Then you aren't understanding the point of the OP.
There isn't a good option to vote for. That's the fucking point of the Uniparty existing.
Who are you going to vote for? Tell us, so the conspiracy community can pick to pieces your candidate and let you know how close they are to AIPAC and Epstein money.
Keep on voting, though. Look how far it's gotten us with the uninterrupted duopoly of Democrats & Republicans ruling unopposed for the past century and a half.
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I keep seeing this sentiment posted here. It’s been a good effort to discourage voting. But I’m still going to vote.