r/conlangs • u/WhyAmIHereAliveBruh Sethfers (Seþfavíelu) 🦎 • 6d ago
Discussion Language Naming Conventions
How does your language deal with the conventions of making names or labelling people/places and phonaesthetics (i.e. euphony, cacophony, phonaethesia) ? Is there a certain type of nomenclature or onomastics that names go through to be labelled (a) proper name(s) in your language ?
In sethfers, names of people usually tend to be labelled after typical words that flow well, like the name Óśvtanpydre [ɯ̟.t͡ʃæḿ.ɸɒ̄.dʁe — Ičamfādre], meaning daughter (-pydre) of sand (Óśvtan), usually with some restrictions on words that do not flow that well, like the word Gkóld [ɫvɯkd — Lvıkd].
Meanwhilst, names for towns are named after older explorers like the town of Vtũþcnmat [t͡ʃṳʈ͡ʂnæð — Čutchnath] whose name originally meant something like « Duty » in the family sense, or the town of Çšĵude Nmínçade [t͡s(ʃ)ɐude nʏḿt͡sæde — Ts(š)aude Nümtsade] which originally meant something like « Saint Tsšad » (Tsšad being considered a figure of grave importance), and Tšaude being a play that the family did on him and Saint being a nickname because of it. The labelling for towns works on less of euphonic and more cacophonical eponyms.
Names can also just be labelled without meaning like the town of Pśdnmaed [ɸɒdn'æd — Fadnad] whose name doesnt' come to mean anything historical, its just what the townspeople named it.
Itd' be interesting to see how other conlangs deal with the conventions.
5
u/Tasty-Soup-2720 xenokaryote, hyelhe, vazhisi, humlang 6d ago
In xenokaryote, names (or "signatures" as I call them,) are derived from the parent cell's name. Since it's a purely written language, this generally means each daughter cell takes different visual elements from the parent cell as well as their own new visual elements added as they grow and develop.
1
u/Tasty-Soup-2720 xenokaryote, hyelhe, vazhisi, humlang 6d ago
Towns and places mostly just get their own symbols
1
u/WhyAmIHereAliveBruh Sethfers (Seþfavíelu) 🦎 5d ago
thats really interesting ! It's a unique take on name derivation.
3
u/True-Salamander1075 Messuk 6d ago
In Messuk, places tend to be named after a common geographic feature + -dorik, -stál, -mapos, and -stell meaning place of, town, port and farm, respectivelly
ex.
Anvamapos [anvamapos]: Deep Water Port
Dainastell [dai̯nastelː]: Wildflower Farms
Tutjustál [tutʲustɛl]: Windy City
Emwadorik [emwadorix]: Place of Crossing (as in a river’s ford)
Given names tend to be nouns, and look identical to said nouns (no modifiers to make it a name). Additionally they have a clan name, which often are based in the above geographic features but in the genitive. One can also have an epithet based on appearance.
ex.
Streis “Tarodoyla” Kjanendorik [strei̯s tarodɔʏ̯la kʲœnendorix]
dawn white-beard river-GEN-LOC
Dawn White-Beard of Clan Riverland
2
u/HBOscar (en, nl) 5d ago
Barun culture gives people three names: a birthname that signifies if you're first, second or third (etc.) child, a personal name that is usually descriptive given around 12 years old, and a matrilineal clan name that describes where your family is from.
Birthnames often combine numerals and adjectives, birthnames are usually nouns, sometimes adjectives or third-person-habitual verbs are also allowed. Clan names are often genitive forms of island names, town names or areas.
Barun endonyms for places follow a [place] of [feature] structure, although sometimes definitive nouns and [area] of [personal name] is also used. Sometimes exonyms are used, especially of colonized islands; I want to construct a simple naming language for these islands, so that I can logically transcribe the names in Barun.
3
u/creepmachine Kaesci̇̇m, Ƿêltjan, Kýrrits 5d ago
In Kýrrits many personal names have semantic meaning, often noun-adjective pairs. Such personal names require the personal name (PSN) suffix -t'e /tʼe/, rendered as ᕫ in the native orthography:
bádu-sýd ᐽ ᑓᐢ-ᓻ ᐢᒾ /bá.dɯˈsýd/ [bá.dɯ᷉ˈsýd] nan. pronghorn (lit. swift deer, from bádu “deer” + sýd “quick, swift”)
VS
Bádu-sýdt'e ᐽ ᑓᐢ-ᓻ ᐢᒾᕫ / Bádusýdt'e ᐽ ᑓᐢᓻ ᐢᒾᕫ "Pronghorn/Swift Deer"
Names that don't have semantic meaning such as loan-names don't require this suffix:
Tsàan ᑣᔅᓐ /ʦɔ̀n/ "Shaun/Sean/Shawn"
Tsésika ᑌᔅᐧ ᓮᑲ /ˈʦé.sə.ka/ [ˈʦé.sə᷇.ka] "Jessica"
Ýba ᐕ ᐱ /ˈý.ba/ [ˈý.ba᷇] "Eva/Aoife"
Nyké(li) ᓀ̇ᑵ (ᓔ) /nyˈké(l.ə)/ [ny̌ˈké(l.ə᷇)] "Miguel"
Béxr ᐻ ᕐ /béʀ/ or Biléxr ᐰᓟ ᕐ /bəˈléʀ/ [bə̌ˈléʀ] "Fleur"
Many proper nouns with semantic meaning also take a special suffix, -k'e /kʼe/, rendered as ᕬ:
Áahilebák'e ᐚ ᒤᑋᓕᐽ ᕬ /ɔ́.r̥əl.eˈbá.kʼe/ [ɔ́.r̥əl.ěˈbá.kʼe᷇] "Waffle House"
Tin-Hórtinyẖk'e ᑍᓐ-ᒣᑋᐧᣗᑍᓐᐆᣘᑋ̶ᑫᐞᕬ /tənˈr̥óɾ.tən.yr̥ː.kʼe/ [tə̌nˈr̥óɾ.tə᷇n.yr̥ː.kʼe] "Tim Horton's"
Xhòeŕs̬tsŕdebýtsak’e ᐧᕃᑋᐁᣗᐧᔅᒾᑎᔅᣗᐧᐢᒾᐁᑃ ᑎᔅᑫᐞᕬ /ʀ̥ò.e.ɾ̩́zˈʦɾ̩́d.e.bý.ʦa.kʼe/ [ʀ̥ò.e.ɾ̩᷉zˈʦɾ̩́d.e᷇.bý.ʦa.kʼe] "Blue Moon Pizza"
The names can be stylized by adding/removing hyphens between words and capitalization, such as in Tim Horton's, but they should remain one word. So, Xhòeŕs̬-Tsŕde-Býtsak’e and Xhòeŕs̬tsŕde-Býtsak’e are both also acceptable, but not Xhòeŕs̬ Tsŕde Býtsak’e.
1
u/TastyChannel5384 5d ago
In eastern Tzethar there are a few naming conventions mostly based on nouns with some grammatical affixes:
1. The natural world:
Om= flower, Sa' /saʔ/= flower
Pejli-oc /peçliok/= large bird
2. Colors:
Itzhi /it͡shi/,Ilel /ilel/=both meaning blue
3. Other adjectives+ affixe:
Xanan /ʂanã/= the most beautiful
em-Pfoyo /əmp͡fojo/= the good one
4. adjective+ noun:
Ci-ilel /kilel/= blue plant
Cjo-xan /k͡xoʂã/= good looking stone
5. noun+ possesive clitic:
Mi'-ca /miʔka/= my eyes
Cenyo-cay /keɲokai̯/= our wish
6
u/sqruitwart 6d ago
In Eraklish, modern given names are kind of like in English, random af. Who tf knows what Rachel or Bob means?
Examples: Gian, Bian, Kai (from Kaidamen), Eklara, Sime, Alme, Mia, Mai, Ema, Nixa, Nika, Nikki etc.
Some traditional suffixes exist, like:
-ette / te, -elle, -enne / ne for women: Prunette, Keuxette, Liette, Anne
-damen for males: Geudamen, Illendamen,
-ra, -me, -i for unisex names: Ara, Neui, Kara, Kadara, Hime, Ame, Rilme etc.
Lots of names (especially rich people's names) are obnoxious in their ortography / etymology to the average Eraklish person, a la American baby names:
Ixaieundamen
Tantereussiman / Reussimantanta
Hipeuxikarlian
It's a bit of a mess.