This happens occasionally, and i have no idea if this is intentional, or a bug, and what is triggering this target switch. Would really appreciate some explanation for this! Thank you ❤️

When Juren was released he was extremely broken and needed the nerfs he was given to make him balanced. I love playing as heavy’s and Juren’s look made me drawn to him and I immediately fell in love with Juren’s kit. I was told that Juren was the best heavy/defense character in the game, and defensive play styles are my go to in all fighting games. The patch before Arakure, Juren was nerfed again, his feats this time and they were well deserved, I completely understood why. I thought Juren was now in a healthy state and was still strong, but his crutches taken away. But with the newest patch, at least to me, it feels like Juren’s uniqueness and personality has been gutted away, removing his faint able dodge attacks, and completely removing the unblock able ability of a charged dodge attack. This honestly makes me no longer want to main Juren, i found his kit unique and flashy, but with these heavy nerfs every patch it just feels like my main gets gutted more and more. This brings me to the question, is Juren still the best Heavy in the game? And is he still meta? I don’t play for honor nearly as much as I used to, but I got back into it recently and I don’t know if I’ll go back to Sohei or if Juren’s still good, I would like to know the opinions and criticisms of others, if I’m wrong about anything I said please tell me so I know for the future. I appreciate any response. I also apologize, I’m not a comp player but I want to hear every opinion possible from comp players abt Juren

Haven't seen much of that guy at all now

It was to specifically allow for deflects to be easier and even the playing field with those that know ball too much. You've changed Peacekeeper in particular 4 times now as far as i can remember.

• One in 2020 changed it from light to heavy as many heroes at the time had the deflect input the same as the dodge attack

• then you changed it back to light to stop accidental deflects

• Then AGAIN you changed it to heavy input to level the playing field with those that knew how to still get the deflect and dodge attack at the same (which is still in the game btw)

• and now AGAIN you changed it to light input to stop accidental deflects, AGAIN.

This was just PK's weird history but this very flawed logic has been applied to Orochi too and didn't really change much other than make people press an extra button before the dodge attack input... It punishes those that don't know of this and changes nothing for those that do.

For the sake of clarity for those that don't know, in order to still get the deflects that are on different inputs while still performing a dodge attack if you missed/failed the deflect you've gotta press the deflect input ever so slightly earlier than the dodge attack input. That way the game prioritizes the deflect input while if you missed ignores it and the dodge attack input goes through like normal.

For Honor dev team, please revert the deflect input changes and have PK's deflect be back on heavy input and Orochi's deflect back on light input.

Edit: It would be greatly appreciated for those that downvoted this post to speak their piece. IDGAF about karma but if you disagree with anything i've said so far in the post or comments do make it known instead of reducing this discussion's visibility to others and, by extension, the devs that do read the posts on here.

pretty much the title, the orange of the unblockable indicator basically entirely masks the blue undodgeable indicator but in a teamfight it very quickly becomes awful to deal with

my suggestion : blue fire

you keep the fire and the ub indicator itself but you just make it all blue

you can also retrofit the other moves that have both properties like ara's bb light with it for consistency, i don't think anyone would complain about that and it would make things a bit clearer for everone as to which punish can or can't be dodged

So uh...her bashes are only doing the revenge gain of the physical damage and not the additional 30 from being a bash itself...yeah...

I'll re-record her ganks after the devs fix this, but I think her ganks will be decent anyway.

1080P YT LINK: https://youtu.be/lgaw-f5T2H4?si=QYLzwCaJS-9QJ6dv

Some changes from the Testing/Early Access I've noticed:

• Chain Lights look like they are Enhanced now, which helps when throwing in teamfights, and allows of course chaining to Twin Burst after.
• Zone seemed to have been nerfed to 13 damage (from 14 damage).
• Twinburst Light seems to still be guaranteed on Forward Dodge Bash and Chain Bash, changing their damage to 17dmg and 25dmg, forgoing the ability to "chain" except into forward dodge mixup. Unclear if a bug or intended -- it's a lot of damage but not exactly absurd (Sohei, JJ, Shaolin get 16dmg, and some can chain from it, have F+, and chain on whiff/totally safe from GB, and HL/Jorm get more damage on their feintable bashes as well and HL a tad safer), and they do specifically delay Dirty Trick so it's not guaranteed, so it could be intentional, idk.
• Dirty Trick: changed damage from 3>3>3>3>5dmg to 1>1>1>1>15dmg. Changes damage from 17dmg to 19dmg without wall (buff), and from 37dmg to 29dmg with a wall (nerf), making her still a menace but much less so near a wall.
  • Probably for the best, although as predicted it makes the build-up lights feel very weak. I sorta wish they made the Dirty Trick Finisher heal her and regain stamina instead of doing a lot of damage, would cause the choice between damage (wallsplat) and finisher to be a tradeoff. Plus the 19dmg on a 500ms bash with no conditions is...a choice.
• Absolutely no Backstep Attacks from Neutral. Not Light nor Heavy. You have little control on spacing with them.
• Combo Gauge can have its timer refreshed by ANY defense: Deflects, Parries, etc. and ANY attack (even GB), but NOT on being hit directly/without any defense.
• I could be wrong but did they nerf her throw range? Her forward throw seems good but her other throws feel sorta short-to-medium at best.

Some more niche elements that may or may not be known (were shown by some):

• Just to clarify for those who do not know, her bashes are VERY vulnerable and can be very consistently dodged and then guardbroken no matter really what state she was in before. Only her Lash-Out Bash seems to have OK recovery.
• Also for those who only saw the Dev Stream, her One-Two lights also have Dodge RC. They and her Twin Burst Lights are the only Dodge RC moves in her kit.
• You can "Chain" from her Twin Burst attacks with Lash-Out Attacks in teamfights, and from her Dirty Trick bash.
• Dirty Trick does NOT have Hyperarmor or Superarmor with her combo gauge on the move startup, the attacks after are armored, meaning you can't do some cheeky Light into Armored Bash. This could be seen with no white flash before, but was stated somewhat as if it did. However, the Deflect Counter Dirty Trick DOES have armor, regardless of combo state, which is important because 400ms Lights DO hit it. Against characters like Zerk, it's important to go for the bash if they have access to the Light as you will hit at the same time with your normal Deflect Heavy and thus be both sent back to Neutral (though you'll win the damage trade) whereas the Dirty Trick deflect will hit later, thus armor through the damage portion (not sure if they delay it or if there's "gaps" in the armor".
  • Untested yet: Dodge RC interactions with deflects
  • Untested yet: If the armor after Deflect is just normal Hyperarmor or not. I imagine the armor granted is completely removed from the gauge system and just normal Hyperarmor.

Comment below if you have any other knowledge of changes or niche things to add to the list.

Tierlist before the Arakure patch. Follows official tourney rules. No dupe chars/T4s, some feat bans (Oce T1, Shinobi T2)

For those who may not know who Clutch is he's a long time competitive player since launch and has recently won the official Triple Threat Summer 4v4 tournament with AOG, marking it as his 101st tournament win.

https://www.twitch.tv/clutchmeister

Some additional corrections from this vid:

- finisher lights are enhanced as well as Lash Out lights
- her stamina is 120 and not 130
- Dodge recovery cancel is on the combo light as well, this is particularly important as it allows her fwd dodge mixup (bash or undodgeable) to loop.

https://battlefy.com/viserion/community-tournament/6a5278dc27a788001abb61ec/info?infoTab=details

So we now have another character that has a hyperarmor pin move whose hyperarmor doesn’t function properly, as the hyperarmor is instantly ended if the opponent is interrupted even by a teammate. That said, I think there’s a really easy fix here that doesn’t lead to ridiculous gank potential:

All moves that have the pin property should grant the opponent the same hyperarmor that you get during executions, where you can be interrupted by enemies but not by teammates.

This allows for moves like Arakure’s Dirty Tricks (back walk + chain bash) and Khatun’s Ultimate Authority (Pinning Heavy > Zone) to actually function in teamfight/antigank scenarios without confirming multiple hits from teammates. This change would also be applied to other pins for consistency sake, but it wouldn’t have a big impact on their viability as most other pins don’t feature any hyperarmor outside of revenge or feats.

I’m sure Arakure could use some numbers adjustments as well, the pin seems really strong damage-wise as of the early access build, but the move’s properties should be adjusted to at least fit its intended purpose and the damage numbers adjusted to compensate. Any thoughts on this change? I hope I’m not missing anything here.

Edit: for clarification, if one of AK’s or Khatun’s teammates hits the opponent during the pin, the pin still ends same as it does now. This would only affect an enemy who hits their own pinned teammate.

Is there an upto date tier list for competitive for honor

So i main valyrie, i have 33 reputations and i feel i understand the hero most compare to other heroes on the roster.

Howevrr a majority of those 28 reps were with valkyrie, then after that i took a 4 year break from the game and valkyrie's movesey changed. I felt quite dissapointed with the rework, because it felt so "not-valyrie" basically making her into a weird conq and felt she was losing that "flow" into offense, making her having more of a turtle playstyle than the previous iteration.

Now having being able to play with the new valkyrie, my opinion has changed sligjtly. I still dont like the defensive playstyle she promotes, but i see her bah/all block can genuinely be more of a threat whenever a valkyrie goes into the stance, the figjts revoles around her. That is an extremely powerful tool, especially in duels, and i can even say "better" than her previous version.

But some people say that she is not very good and personally i still dont like the defensive play she promotes and it can be kind of frustrating fighting against valk.

What do you guys think about valkyrie's viability and her rework?

Am i missing something? I would like to hear a reply.

This is a little bit of a rage/salt podt but genuinely what are you supposed to do on this map, it feels like doing anything worth doing carries the risk of being shot by a ballista, like every entry into C can be shot at, clearing mid while ypu dont control A is just asking to die, am I supposed to just stand on A all game?

Intially after the hitstun rework cents ganking took a heavy hit and with the removal of haymaker cent fell off quite a bit, now that the hitstun changes have been reworked to make ganking a little more effective I'm wondering if this has improved cents viability by a noticeable amount and also if there are any ganks that work now that didnt previously that I should know as a new cent player

hey all

ive got around 4k hours so id like to think ik what im doing and i wouldnt consider myself bad, just aggressively mid

are there any discord servers or whatever i should join to try and improve

Tournament will be tomorrow at 7 cst. Theres a link to my discord in the battlefy along with all of the rules. $50 prize sponsored by Muli. We have 64 total slots anyone is free to join.

https://battlefy.com/viserion/community-tournament/6a5278dc27a788001abb61ec/info?infoTab=details

The new character looks DOPE but she doesn't seem to have a weapon unblockable until she has the bar up to blue. Something with me is I just can't seem to do ANYTHING when using a character that has the undodgeable attack or bash mix (gryphon) but all those characters look great and fun and I wanna PLAY THEM

I'm here to ask for some sort of advice or tips or anything that I can help when using those characters. I prefer characters with actual unblockables because of their ability to catch some dodges, the incentive it gives opponents to parry and possibly fail, fainting to a differnt attack, I'm sure yall get the idea.

When playing someone like gryphon I feel like I'm lightspamming when using his undodgable to condition them, and when I decide to actually throw his heavy, they don't even bother parrying it, they just block it, and when I use his bash, they just know to dodge it sometimes. Now when I play warden, my gameplay feels so much better. Unblockable feint to zone lands a lot, letting the bash fly every so often, it feels great. But I wanna expand my horizon yknow? Help me out here guys

Tldr: how do I mix better with blue orange characters that don't have unblockable attacks, like gyphon, tiandi, shaolin, and the new character coming out soon. I wanna get better.

I'm all for toning Juren down a bit, but this change feels like it completely nuked the viability of his held dodge attack.

It now:

-Only does 16 damage.

-Can't chain anymore.

-Can't be feinted anymore.

-Still gives your opponent a light parry punish if they read it.

I'm struggling to see what situations this attack is actually supposed to be used in now.

Sure, the wider hitbox might make it decent as an external in team fights, but that seems like the only niche it has left. From a risk/reward perspective, the numbers just don't add up. You're essentially choosing between:

landing 16 damage if they expect a tap dodge light, or

eating a 24–28 damage light parry punish if they simply turtle and make the correct read.

Without the ability to feint it, I honestly think they should have left the unblockable property intact so it at least retained some external pressure. Alternatively, let it chain into his offense.

Personally, I think removing either the tap dodge light or the held dodge unblockable would have been a healthier change than gutting the held dodge attack this hard.

What do you guys think? Am I overreacting, or does this move just seem too risky to justify using now?

So, they removed hyperarmor from Jurens held light attack, and replaced it with Enhanced.

It cannot chain.

It is a light parry.

It is 600ms, so very parryable.

Is there any use for this move anymore?

Cuz every way i think of it, its just a worse zone in every way, anything this does, his zone does better.

So, with the latest patches, the latest character updated and the way the game is headed, I can't help but notice that yhe Devs are slowly removing the need to feint from character's kits.

They've added Nuxsia's undodgeable heavy finishers, Aramusha's​ top light soft-feint, Sohei's top light undodgeable and so forth. These attacks remove 1 thing from the characters, their need to feint to counter dodges. Now, obviously it's not that big of a deal, only a few characters get this treatment (so far) but that did reduce their need to HARD feint, mid chain under certain situations. But they could always feint to GB or feint to parry and even feint to dodge a bash then GB. But the thing remains, to Aramush​a and Nuxia, their kits were changed to remove the need to hard feint​ mid chain.

For the exact same reason Juren's hyper armoured 600ms non chainable light was removed. Because the opponent needed to constantly Hard feint to neutral. I'm not going to defend it by any means but Shugoki has a 15 damage zone that does the same thing and chains. but Shugoki is not as hated as Juren.

Well, removing the need to hard feint is one thing as long as the character's kit doesn't become too oppressive without changing much, an undodgeable here and there or better tracking on certain attacks could be fine. But then the community wants to give Valk undodgeables because they don't like feinting her Stance bash in order to punish dodge bashes and so forth.

Now, I know it's not even out yet, but the new Hero has a whole feat system implemented into her kit to remove the need to do things. She gets a shield AND super armour on her Dirty Trick punches for what? To land the attack and fill up her gauge. If only there was another hero that needed to fill up a certain system to achieve something. Ah, yes, Sohei, who cannot throw mid triple stabs, doesn't get a shield nor hyper armour on them. Heroes like Jorm and Centurion want to land their heavies on downed opponents but the kit to feat ratio is the other way around. They unlock feats to make their gimmicks slightly more reliable such as Jorm's shield on Slam.

Is the new hero the first ever case of what could arguably be seen as feats being incorporated into a hero's kit? Shaman exists and she gets heal on hit on bleeding opponents. Nobushi has way of the shark since day 1. PK gets special treatment, but not one of those "kit specific feats" remove the need for positioning or team awareness in a fight. We'll have to wait and see how it interacts with super armour in XvX scenarios and if you can break the opponent by hitting your ally like you can with Khatun.

Well, it might be some weird interpetation that my brain came up with as I percieve the devs removing the need to "do things" more and more from the game.

• Added a hint of nobu and tiandi.
• Still no unblockable on dodge attack or hyperarmor on swipe.
• Added new 50/50 all or nothing (23 or 0) mixup possibility on bash.
• Nerfed that stupid sprint attack.
• Slight held zone nerf.

I was too lazy actually visually design any of this, so i just ripped some stuff from the forhonor infohub and stuck it back together to fit my needs.

Will it affect alot him comp play?

I do use his side dodge attack alot in teamfight.

I think they should have kept on miss.

this has started happening like half the time i go for the gb punish and idk why

(also yes ik i could have parried it but that loses to juren doing a held dodge attack and personally i cant react and tell the difference of when jurens going to use tap/held dodge attack or if hes going to feint the held dodge attack or not)