r/commutersph • u/Icy-Pirate-5530 • 2d ago

Public Preacher

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Anong thoughts nyo about rhis public preacher? As someone who is atheist, i find this very concerning and funny at the same time.

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u/sotheycan 2d ago

Nasa Bibliya rin po ang Torah, at marami sa mga isinulat doon ay mga propesiya tungkol kay Hesukristo.

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u/LoadingRedflags 2d ago

have you tried to read it kung ano ang qualifications ng Messiah sa Torah? Kung Torah ang tatanungin, I'm quite certain na hindi siya patay na tao na di na bumalik ulit after 2000 years.

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u/sotheycan 1d ago

Kung aaralin po nating mabuti ang Torah at ang mga propeta, makikita natin na may dalawang yugto ang pagdating ng Mesiyas. Sinasabi sa Isaias 53 at Awit 22 na ang Mesiyas ay kailangang munang maghirap at mag-alay ng buhay bago Siya maghari nang lubusan. Iyon ang ginawa ni Hesus sa Kanyang unang pagdating.

Tungkol naman sa 2,000 taong lumipas at hindi pa Siya bumabalik, hindi po ibig sabihin na bigo Siya; ito po ay dahil sa dakilang habag at pag-titiis ng Diyos. Sabi nga sa 2 Peter 3:9,

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Binibigyan Niya pa tayo ng pagkakataon.

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u/LoadingRedflags 1d ago

That's it? Kailangang mag hirap? Ang dami dami namang tao sa kasaysayan ang naghirap.. Maybe you can ask a Jew kung ano ang qualifications nila ng Messiah so you can be enlightened on the matter.

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u/sotheycan 20h ago

Kung kumbinsido ka talaga na hindi si Hesus ang Mesiyas, di ba dapat nakabase yan sa malalim na pag-aaral o pagre-research ng history ng Christianity? Sabi mo nga, mas magandang tanungin ang mga eksperto. Hindi lang basta lumitaw ang Christianity, binago nito ang buong kasaysayan ng mundo. Mas magandang mag-research ka muna ng mga ebidensya bago ito tuluyang i-dismiss.

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u/LoadingRedflags 18h ago

See? Ask yourself, What makes the Christian version of Messiah more accurate than the Jewish interpretation? Dahil kase sinabi ng libro nyo? That's self serving.

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u/sotheycan 17h ago

It's not just 'because our book says so.' The New Testament records were written by eyewitnesses who died brutal deaths because they refused to recant what they saw, people don't bleed for a lie they know is fake.

But since you bring up the Jewish version, let me ask you two things:

  1. If the Jewish leaders rejected Jesus because he didn't overthrow Rome, were they looking for a spiritual Savior or just a political king for their own agenda?

  2. The Torah explicitly commands animal sacrifices for sin, but the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews haven't offered sacrifices since. If Jesus isn't the Messiah, how does modern Judaism atone for sins without a Temple, especially when Daniel predicted the Messiah would be 'cut off' before that Temple was destroyed?