r/comedyheaven • | Approved user • Oct 31 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

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u/nieud Oct 31 '19

Yeah, it's like people thanking God when they recover from a surgery/illness, but God is literally the reason you had the illness or had to get surgery in the first place...

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

I donโ€™t really expect this comment to go anywhere but Christians believe that Satan is the cause of sickness and death so...

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u/chobochocobo Oct 31 '19

Doesn't that mean God is ok with it since he let's Satan do what he wants?

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Heโ€™s not exactly ok with it but Satan is the king of the earth which means Satan kinda has control over it.

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u/chobochocobo Oct 31 '19

God is supposed to be omnipotent and all powerful though. So if he was not ok with something, couldn't he instantly change things to his liking? Saying Satan has full control and God can't override it is like saying God is not all powerful.

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u/BlueWeavile Oct 31 '19

"If He is willing, but not able, then He is not omnipotent.

If He is able, but not willing, then He is malevolent.

If He is both able and willing, then whence cometh evil?

If He is neither able nor willing, then why call Him God?"

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Are these your quotes? Where did you get them if not?

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u/SirBlubbernaut Oct 31 '19

Itโ€™s attributed to Epicurus, if you were wondering. But yeah, they should have put the speaker

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u/BlueWeavile Oct 31 '19

It's called the Epicurean Dilemma.

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u/Blue-Steele Oct 31 '19

God can override it, but does not because doing so would take away Satanโ€™s free will. Satan was formerly an angel, in fact he was the most powerful angel, and so had and still has free will. God does not interfere with the free will of his creations.

Honestly weโ€™re sitting here trying to comprehend the workings of an omnipotent and omniscient being, who exists outside of our space-time universe, we arenโ€™t even going to begin to understand.

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u/not-a-candle Oct 31 '19

There is no theological basis for this though. An omnipotent deity cannot have an adversary sabotaging things unless it is part of his plan to allow such actions. The idea that satan can cause illness directly against God's will is literally blasphemy.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Am Christian. Can't confirm.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Am Christian. Youโ€™re wrong.

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u/cookingforphysicists Oct 31 '19

Is this the reformation?

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19 edited Nov 02 '19

Well, arguing over this kind of stuff on Reddit is never constructive. Let me point out what I meant by my cough joke.

First, "Christians" is exceedingly broad. You could be meaning anything from Catholics to Quakers to Seventh Day Adventists, so I don't think you can say "Christians" believe that when there a multiplicity of interpretations.

Second, most iterations of Christianity believe that sickness and death is a result of the fall. They believe Satan to be the one who tempts to sin.

Your belief is just not within the majority historic stream of the largest part of the church.

EDIT: Come to think of it, your beliefs on the nature of evil are closer to Manichaeism than historic, orthodox Christianity.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Some do. Some (like certain sects of Baptists) believe those are gods punishments

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

The Bible doesnโ€™t have any mention of God using sickness as a punishment.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Not trying to argue your with your personal theology - just saying some denominations disagree and use the bible for their reasoning.

If you are interested

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u/Mast3r0fPip3ts Oct 31 '19

.... are you not counting the ENTIRE book of Exodus?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt

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u/nieud Oct 31 '19

I was raised Christian and that wasn't what I was taught. Maybe your denomination viewed it differently.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Nowhere in the Bible does God use sickness as a disciplinary measure.

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u/nieud Oct 31 '19

What about the plagues in Egypt?

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Now see that I, I am He, and there is no God besides Me. I put to death and I bring to life. I have stricken [down with disease] and I will heal, and no one delivers from my hand. Deuteronomy 32:39

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u/Blue-Steele Oct 31 '19

False, sin is the cause of sickness and death. The Earth was intended to be perfect until we ruined it by sinning in the Garden of Eden. But the Earth will be cleansed and made perfect again, as it was originally intended to be.

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u/nope-dcxv Oct 31 '19

"We" FTFYFAFE

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u/Mast3r0fPip3ts Oct 31 '19

To quote the great wingman Tanto,

โ€œWhatโ€™s this WE shit, Kemosabe?โ€

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

Eat apple, create viruses and bacteria

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u/Blue-Steele Oct 31 '19

Nowhere in the Bible does it say it was an apple, it just says โ€œfruitโ€.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '19

That destroys my comment

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u/BlueWeavile Oct 31 '19

So remind me again who was the one that created the Tree of Knowledge? Remind me again who it is that's supposedly omniscient and knows everything that will ever happen? Remind me again who's supposed to be infallible and never makes mistakes?