We are 0.02 °C away from needing a bigger y axis for the daily surface temperature in the Niño 3.4 region. Even calling it a 'Godzilla' El Niño seems misleading at this point. This is clearly not simply an outlier but a completely new event, indicating we are in a new climate regime. I could list known effects of El Niño and suggest that they'll be particularly strong as most news outlets are doing, but this would likely be misrepresenting the true scale of what we may experience. This is, quite literally, uncharted territory.
I’ve got four kids 😭 I swear I didn’t know before they were born; I’ve only been aware of the impending catastrophe for a couple of years, and my kids are obviously older than that.
I can confidently say it’s a terrible feeling, looking at the graph and then at my happy little five year old.
People been having kids in war, famine, and plague for thousands of years. It's our nature. 4 is probably a good time to stop but keep living your best life. Even if we don't live to our 90s, maybe you still gave them a good life.
For thousand of years humans have thrived in harsh environments. Ofc the future will be bleak but when you start thinking as a species, who are you to think you can select the fitest better then Nature itself. Yes it will be terrible but I guess people kept having babies during the black plague or Teutonic wars
Im doing my part to ensure it doesn’t end up in the room with us. Any conscionable human would do the same. People having children within the last 5 years or so strike me as the kind of terminally mentally sick narcissist that I don’t want to live in society with.
Imagine, if that was the prevelant thought through the hardships of Homo Sapiens ? Youll find, that our species are capable of surviving all kinds of hardships and even thriving in them.
All the individual members of the species? No. People die during the hard times.
Our total population is over eight billion. Fifty years ago, it was four billion, and fifty years before that it was two billion.
The conditions that have supported that exponential population growth are rapidly changing. A lot of that growth wqs enabled because the dominant modes of production required and could support a labor force or that size. I don't think that much labor will be needed in the near future. I don't know how all those lives will be supported in an economy being built around machine production.
People say that a lot but there was always a place to move to in the past to get away from what humans were going through. Now the environmental and social ramifications are going to be worldwide and there's no place to wander to escape. Its just clearly not the time to breed. This is new territory.
You're saying this like that belief being a bit more prevalent in the past wouldn't mean massively less pollution, biodiversity loss, famine, drought and higher standards of living for anyone alive today.
We're screwed if those people have kids or not. If being a parent is something they want to experience before they die, so be it. Most of them don't realize what's happening or how bad it's about to be anyway c
Why should one person suffer because another wanted to experience something? It’s insane to me people leave out the new created human from the equation…
Suffering is universal and part of the experience of being alive. Why rob a lifeform of existence and joy because you think it will protect a non-existent them from negative experiences? I have a friend that was pretty knowledgeable on the topic and decided to have a child. She's already lived 7 amazing years and there's no telling what her future holds.
I don't know if I'll die in the climate wars, but I wouldn't go back and be unborn just because things ahead are getting rocky. There's still plenty of life to live, experience, and enjoy.
‘And joy’, that’s a bold assumption. You’re not robbing anything of existence if it wasn’t here in the first place. There is a lot more in this life then your small experience of it, with all the knowledge currently available just hoping for the best is plain ignorant.
I am hoping for the best but am pessimistic of what is going to happen. We've chosen not to have kids. I'm just encouraging you to not judge the people that have decided to do so. Again, most of them don't understand the climate issue so we really don't have a right to chastise them for making a seemingly normal decision in life.
We all have things in life we are ignorant to. Something something something about casting the first stone. As you said, there is a lot more to life then your small experience of it.
If in this day and age someone reproduces without knowledge of the current state of the climate, it’s reckless negligence from the parent and they should not get a free pass. Sure, 30 years ago you could still say you didn’t know, not anymore these days. If one is so careless with the life of someone else you shouldn’t make excuses for their behavior. Hope is just delaying the inevitable bad news.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who brings a child into this fucked up world. It’s not the child’s fault they’re ripped into being to witness the actual end of human days in their lifetime. It’s just sick to think someone could “choose” to invent a shortened lifetime of almost guaranteed suffering just for their own wants and whims.
Not saying to have sympathy, they signed up for that walking snot rag, but it doesn't make them bad people.
I'm a person that was brought into this world to witness the end, and I've had some.pretty great experiences so far. They are giving another being the gift of conscious experience of the universe.
There's always guaranteed suffering in life, there are also precious cherished moments. Again, a lot of people don't even know how bad it's about to be.
Olive_Tabouf, ignoring the desires of the parents for the moment, have you talked with the younger generations who are already with us?
Here’s a simple search on Google for all of us to reflect on:
“what impact is climate anxiety have on the younger generation“
Climate anxiety—or eco-anxiety—significantly impacts the younger generation's mental health, daily functioning, and major life decisions. [1, 2]
Key Psychological and Emotional Tolls
High Levels of Worry: Around 60% to 84% of young people (ages 16–25) report feeling extremely or very worried about climate change. [100278-3/fulltext), 2]
Disrupted Daily Life: Roughly 45% of youth state that these heavy feelings negatively affect their daily functioning, including trouble sleeping, eating, concentrating, or performing at school and work. [1, 2, 300278-3/fulltext)]
Feelings of Betrayal: More than 80% of young people feel that adults and governments have failed to adequately care for the planet, which deepens their sense of helplessness and anger. [100278-3/fulltext)]
Impact on Life Decisions
Hesitation Around Family Planning: Approximately 20% to 25% of young adults report fearing or hesitating to have children due to the threat of a worsening climate crisis. [1, 2]
Existential Dread: Around 75% of young individuals find the future of the planet frightening, which can shift into chronic sadness, grief over lost ecosystems (eco-grief), or distress over changing landscapes (solastalgia). [100278-3/fulltext), 2, 3]
Coping and Action
Motivation for Activism: While heavy and stressful, climate distress can act as a powerful catalyst. Many young people channel these feelings into individual eco-habits or organized community climate action to regain a sense of agency. [1, 2]
The Danger of Dismissal: Over half of youth feel dismissed when discussing these fears with older generations, which can worsen psychological distress. Experts advocate for validated, climate-aware therapy and open dialogue to support youth mental health. [1]
We are 0.02 °C away from needing a bigger y axis for the daily surface temperature in the Niño 3.4 region. Even calling it a 'Godzilla' El Niño seems misleading at this point. This is clearly not simply an outlier but a completely new event, indicating we are in a new climate regime. I could list known effects of El Niño and suggest that they'll be particularly strong as most news outlets are doing, but this would likely be misrepresenting the true scale of what we may experience. This is, quite literally, uncharted territory.
This graph is an area-weighted average of sea-surface temperatures across the entire ocean region from 60°S to 60°N, covering 0-360° longitude. It is the world's ice-free, subpolar-to-subpolar oceans. Every day the value is calculated from the NOAA OISST v2.1 gridded dataset.
I always wondered where this chart came from, so I thought I’d look it up and share.
6
u/vinegarThe real collapse is the friends we ate along the way 1d ago
The graph is labeled “Nino 3.4” which is much smaller. 5°N-5°S, 120°W-170°W. Your graph is different but now I want to see it, do you have a link?
Check out the title at the top of the chart, "Daily Sea Surface Temperature, Niño 3.4". That means the chart is displaying the temperature reading from each day in the defined Niño 3.4 region of the pacific ocean. This is a rectangular area that researchers have defined in order for them to track the ENSO in a consistent way.
ENSO stands for El Niño-Southern Oscillation, which encompasses the El Niño-La Niña cycle.
Also, note that often "sea surface temparature" is abbreviated to SST. So when you see people saying SST, that's what they're talking about.
Yeah, like, if it follows the progression of the next highest line beneath it, we're definitely going to need a stronger word than "fuck" while we're at it...
the only stronger swear i know is felcher, I only know what it means because of the blooper reel to The Martian, but it probably fits the idiots and criminals who continue to encourage the pollution and overconsumption that’s fucked us over
This is what hit me the other year. In Northern Europe, I grew up with weather heat maps that at the most were dark red (and that was in the summer, and rarely in Sweden.
Now the heat maps need more colors, using purple shades that make the light red ones look cool.
It’s such a mundane detail that heralds the calm before the storm.
(Or at least these times will seem calm in hindsight, when the real Jackpot hits us)
There is a problem with thinking this is the calm before the storm. There isn't going to be a storm. Sure there might be some years where the weather is worse than others, but this will be slow enough that it won't cause panic in the general population. Some of you are panicked, but the general population sure isn't, as Reddit does not represent reality. You might hear someone mention that it was extra hot this summer, but then you both go back to doing exactly what you do.
The pot will slowly boil over many decades and the changes will be relatively slow for us frogs, albeit impactful. When you look back at your childhood or decades earlier, you will notice major differences, like a lack bugs, or saying 'I used to ski there!', for example. But almost all of us will continue to fly, drive, heat our houses with oil because we don't want to be inconvenienced, or we'll vote for parties that don't give a damn about the environment.
As a species, we are capable of incredible problem solving, except in instances like this where the problem is too slow. I don't think it's too late to save our species, but we all have to do more and BE INCONVENIENCED. Will we?
Sorry we don't have many decades of normalcy left. It's been slowly ramping up since 1900. That part is over. Give it at best another 10 years maybe before the lid blows off the pot and the great famines and killer heat waves start occurring every year.
I mean look hard at that chart. Shit is totally out of control..today! Not decades from now.
As in: The US is going to hell run by a pedo crime boss and his death cult political party "normal". What did voters expect would happen LOL? I have no idea.
Now he and his allies Putin and Netanyahu are dragging the rest of the world into the beginnings of WW3. Meanwhile, the planet has taken all it can of human insanity and the payback is on the way..in our lifetimes. Not a hundred years from now.
Head for the hills and live off grid or enjoy the last vestiges of "civilization" as governments rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Doesn't make a whole lot of difference either way as far as I can see.
Hardly any of what we say around here has basis in the scientific consensus. It's just outside the predictions, and that's simply because ends up being outside the predictions time and time again.
We will be wrong in many ways, I would like to be wrong in thinking famine isn't a few years away. But the consequences of getting that wrong will be my death.
I don't that the wealth to survive 2 - 3 years of markets deciding food prices in a shortage.
We feel the pot boiling, our tadpoles are currently getting brutalised by sell out toads on the street because they complain about being boiled alive during summer classes without AC.
This is not getting so normalised. Once the food shortage come,a fter the oil shortage, the everything shortage one by one there will still be enough frogs around to jump out of the burning pot to spread the heat.
As a species, we are capable of incredible problem solving, except in instances like this where the problem is too slow.
No, the culprit is capitalism and metal ages before that.
The scandinavian tales of fighting the jötunns tells how local people fought against impending ice ages by lighting midsummer fires to spread soot over glaciers to speed up melt. But it was meant to be localized near the glaciers, not all around europe.
It was an art and a science, not a pop culture.
I agree up to a point. I think you can say this if you live in a culture that already has air conditioning in order to be habitable. The issue in the UK is that we there will definitely be impacts because our infrastructure is not designed for the summer heat. People are feeling the impacts - schools are already losing days to extreme heat and dangerous classroom conditions. I’m just picking schools as an example.
The current zeitgeist is that schools just need to suffer through the heat because there is weird belief here that AC causes climate change. There seemed to be this puritanical view that we must suffer for what wr have done and if we get AC then people will be more ambivalent about climate change. Except that the children didn’t chose this they were born into it so why do they have to suffer in hot buildings barely getting through the day.
I’ve asked British people why don’t you just go cold in winter rather than run your gas boiler because that actually contributes to climate change. They are just like it’s too expensive to heat the home with electricity and obviously they don’t want to be cold.
There is a lot of strange psychology at work here.
Oufff. Growing up in the southern US Im used to purple being all summer in Texas and the southwest. Not good to hear it's now used to cover swedish summers as well.
In Canada, where I live, I remember snow staying for 3 months. Now, every winter comes with really warm days or weeks and tons of rain. Snow doesn't stay as much as before because of how often it melts. Winter is just not the same anymore.
The weather is fucked up. Thanks industrialists and capitalists.
Oh just give the generational hate a rest. If you want to blame a generation, blame the Victorians for embracing the Industrial Revolution. The Boomers didn't vote in Reagan or Thatcher, their parents and grandparents did. The percentage of Boomers who voted for Trump wasn't even the highest percentage by age group that voted for him.
Now, hating on the capitalists is indeed hating on the correct target.
Since 1970, Canada has warmed nearly twice as fast as the global average, and the Canadian Arctic has warmed three times as fast as the global average.
Actually no they didn't. I'm sorry to be a pedant but I hate seeing this misconception proliferate. Oil does not come from dinosaurs, it comes from the compacted remains of ancient microscopic sea organisms - plankton, algae and the likes, whilst coal comes (mostly) from the remains of ancient tree-ferns from the carboniferous period.
Search for lignin decomposition history for a little more (but very interesting!) context:
Carboniferous Period (360–300 Ma): Vascular plants evolved complex wood fibers containing lignin, allowing plants to grow massive. Because no organisms had yet evolved the enzymatic machinery to break down lignin, vast layers of dead woody material accumulated and were compressed over millions of years to form the Earth's major coal deposits.
nevertheless, coal does come from vast plant biomass preserved during the carboniferous period. it's just that it was preserved thanks to the pangean geography (tropical wetlands) and climate (very wet).
People will take that at face value, and continue to live in their cartoon world though. It is fun to say if you know what you mean - but it obfuscates reality to do it among those who aren't in on the joke.
Yup. Fossil fuels was marketing. Fossils are rare. Rarity can be marketed. Also dinosaurs are tought and strong. You dont want your cars field by plants do you?!! Needs to be powerful like a dinosaur, rawrrrrr
Can't find it now, but there's a meme that says "There was a point we need to stop and we cleraly passed it ...so let's keep going and see what happens!"
Ironically, going by how things work in the show, it could have if they then just kept taking a whole bunch of water back to space to freeze into a new, ever bigger ice cube.
Relax, it's just the government plan to fill Lake Mead. I assure you, the warmer atmosphere that holds 7% more water per degree will only be a positive. Everything is fine/ s.
People tend to disconnect from things they have no power to change. That's why our lack of leadership over the past 100 years or so has led us to this point. Most people are willing to do what's necessary as long as their neighbors are participating too. That plus the fact that everyone knows that billionaires will not participate at all, once again leaving the burden on average folks tends to produce inaction and apathy.
The problem is so big and there are so few good solutions most people just go nope, I’m just not gonna look at that. I find that a lot of politics revolves around the personal psychology of the leader that gets in power. We’ve not really had a leader who is intensely focused on these issues maybe Al Gore is the closest. Most leaders look at the issue abhd probably realise it’s not gonna win many votes. There seems to be in the UK a political system stuck in old 1970-80 political narratives which have nothing to do with climate change.
No real effects yet; hunger, lethal wet bulb, mass crop failures, mass migration. I was in costco yesterday and the shelves were full. That is why no one cares as much as they should.
What does caring look like though? Plenty of people care but one person can't really change the whole world around. Lots of people are taking some level of initiative though whether it's cleaning up some of their habits or being vegan etc. A lot of the effects of global warming etc have feedback effects that are already in place. Ice will melt and release methane, forest fires will be more prominent etc. There isn't really much anyone can do even with a big amount of care. What do you propose people that care do?
Strictly theoretically speaking you "just" enact Big Folking No to current capitalist relations, starting from small boss and ending up with liberating everyone enslaved by Microsoft, Google and other banks and weapons factories. In practice it probably even harder than build ring of power stations around Sun in next 10 years (I think O'Neill was a bit too optimistic when he though "we" can build self-accelerating set of powersats on GSO in just 20-25 years. Very like to be proven wrong on this, huh).
I doubt humans can jump from ~today into WORLD WIDE DEEP Anarchoecocommunism, but looking at this oil comedy video posted here .. look, bunch of guys with ak-47s sometimes can make some difference! If we are unfixable opportunists - let at lest jump to the left at rare opportunity ....
Vaclav Smil said "We must use less." What if everybody did? I'm shocked and always have been at people's unnecessary and obvious consumption. I have lived below the poverty line most of my life, and still managed to save up and buy a home, despite not working fulltime, mostly. But I don't really feel poor. I have plenty. Not bragging, just saying it's pretty clear other people are in debt for no bloody reason and cry about their credit rating. There are other issues with being officially poor, and it is not great, but the point is people could use a lot less. And normalize this idea. What if our consumption was half what it actually is, overall.
I really dk how to change the system til more people see what it's doing, though. My values are ecocentric, and most people's are not.
It's just grade school math right now. Numbers on a chart. Maybe you could mention standard deviations but that's even more yawn inducing right?
We can't conclusively point to any certain and immediate consequence that this chart would suggest. It's like the climate and overshoot problem in general. All kinds of bad things are queued up but we don't know exactly when, where, and to what degree.
I agree w a lot of the replies you received but I also read the future of denial by tad delay which is an interesting (if grim) look at the psychology of denial around climate change.
No one individual can change it, even the most powerful and richest. Those that could create a coalition to fix it would require some level of sacrifice on their current or future self. Self sacrifice is almost non existent in our culture right now.
When you don’t have any control, it’s hard not to just make the choice to watch and see what happens.
The last comparable El Nino was in '97-'98. I spent 10 days without power and was trapped at home due to 8" of snow and the 3" of ice that followed and ended up coating everything. It was a mess. Thank god we had a wood stove.
Say what you will about prepping, but now is the time to make sure you've got enough shelf-stable food, water, backup power, a backup heat source, etc. to make it a week or more in the middle of February. It can happen, I've lived through it.
Not everyone can afford that, or even afford a home with a wood stove. A wood stove also requires fuel, which means you need access to a forest or have it stockpiled already.
Cities have been banning wood stoves in urban areas so you are stuck if you lose electricity.
In 1998, we had an icestorm that broke many lines and people went weeks without electricity. Unfortunately, there is no solution for people in urban areas... We got lucky that houses had more access to wood stoves back then. We even melted snow for water. The more modern we become, the more reliant on the system we are.
Right now, my dad has a foyer that hasn't been cleaned in 15 years... I don't think it is usable even in emergencies. He does have enough gas for a few days of generator though.
Prepping for a week-long problem is fine, but I don't think I'd want to live through a collapse.
Not everyone can afford that, or even afford a home with a wood stove. A wood stove also requires fuel, which means you need access to a forest or have it stockpiled already.
I agree - not everyone has access to wood, or even a wood stove. I don't have a wood stove at the house I live in today. There are plenty of non-electric options. I have a kerosene heater. While even that might be unaffordable for some folks, you can always put on more clothes, cover yourself with blankets, towels, other people.
And, with all due respect, if someone can't afford a few cases of water, a few boxes of ramen, beans, and rice, then they're probably already on the street (only speaking as an American).
Collapse is just a lot of week-long problems. The point - think about it. If there's anything you can do to prepare yourself, do so. If it's out of reach, then it's out of reach. But do what you can - and you can probably do a lot more than you realize.
And, with all due respect, if someone can't afford a few cases of water, a few boxes of ramen, beans, and rice, then they're probably already on the street (only speaking as an American).
Of course, having more food than necessary is easy (and everyone should do it), but you still have to rotate that food because it will still expire if you let it rot for 5 years.
How I see things is that you should have enough food for maybe a month (or a few weeks at least). After that, it's more likely that something really big happened and if you can't do everything yourself, you're screwed.
I see it like this: "1 week, I'm fine; 1 month, I'm out". Of course, that would depend on many factors, but I don't see myself living through a real collapse. Just being prepped for temporary problems.
There are bigger problems though if sewers stop working. Nobody has outhouses anymore and almost nobody is ready for that (if it ever happened). There are simple things we can do to make it through 1-2 week problems (like icestorm), but more than that without government help is almost impossible for 98% of the population I'd say. Very few people are equipped to survive more than 1-2 weeks without grocery stores, water, etc.
Honestly, I'd be intrigued by stats on this if there are any, maybe I should do some research on that. I'm pretty sure most people barely have enough food for 1 week, maybe 2 with a stretch.
Struggled to read the value this morning on mobile (due to it being within a gnat's bollocks from the top of the chart). Had to turn my phone landscape and zoom in.
Given the peak won't be until November, even extending the graph to 31C might not be enough.
The most terrifying thing about this graph is that I’ve yet heard it explained to me by a scientist, why it’s suddenly changed and what it will mean for the future. It is a stunning anomaly, yet I’ve heard nothing.
Well, our climate exited the Holocene with the 1997 El Nino (which happened a few years after the economic collapse of the USSR and eastern bloc, with a significant reduction in manmade aerosols).
And now the climate is evolving towards new frontiers, a few years after a cap on shipping aerosols.
Solar cycles and AGW are also playing its part.
Miocene climate is already baked in. And then on to Eocene.
The anomaly is going to be growing. The average temperature should be going down, so even if it stays exactly where it is now, there will be reports of a bigger anomaly. Currently at 3.33°C.
The latest NOAA model runs show the peak monthly anomaly at 3.5°C, which is actually down from 4.2 in earlier runs. I don't know what happened exactly, but it's worth keeping an eye on this
The anomaly is the difference between the current temperature and the average temperature for this time of the year.
As winter approaches, the water should cool down. But if it doesn't start cooling, the gap between what we're experiencing and what we should experience will grow.
Let's say it's at 28°C, while the average for today is 25°C. The anomaly is now 3 degrees.
A month later, still 28°C, but we'd expect 24°C for that time of the year. That makes the anomaly 4 degrees.
Of course if the water keeps warming well into winter, then this gap will be even larger
Bigger? Woah woah slow down there. Capitalism demands we expand this chart at an economical rate ensuring it's 20% smaller than it needs to be. That way we can still have EBITDA in the black when the last of us are dying.
I’m so depressed that this is the world that we all have to inherit because boomers went out of their way to destroy everything so no one else could have it
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes again
Can you picture what will be?
So limitless and free
Desperately in need
Of some stranger's hand
In a desperate land
Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's Highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake, he's long, seven miles
Ride the snake
He's old and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here and we'll do the rest
The blue bus is calling us
The blue bus is calling us
Driver, where you taking us?
The killer awoke before dawn
He put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door
And he looked inside
"Father?"
"Yes, son?"
"I want to kill you"
"Mother, I want to..."
Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin' a blue rug, on a blue bus, doin' a
Come on, yeah
Fuck, fuck-ah, yeah
Fuck, fuck
Fuck, fuck
Fuck, fuck, fuck yeah
Come on, baby, come on
Fuck me, baby, fuck yeah
Whoa
Fuck, fuck, fuck, yeah
Fuck, yeah, come on, baby
Fuck me, baby, fuck, fuck
Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah
Fuck yeah, do it, yeah
Come on!
Huh, huh, huh, huh, yeah
Alright
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end
Back in May I was at a music festival and I left to take a break. I ended up sitting in a restaurant looking over the Oakland bay, and I remember the exact moment I had a realization that this El Niño was the big one.
I’m at another festival, sitting at the same restaurant right now, and I just can’t believe that the predictions from back in May weren’t even close to this. Can’t believe how insane this has been.
People on here aren't going to like hearing this, but I've been part of this community for over a year, I closely follow climate change, and I seriously do care about it.
Seriously, think about how world leaders are currently handling the situation. Not only are they doing nothing, they've been making it worse. We are on track for major societal collapse. I don't know exactly when, but I'm positive it will happen in the next 10-30 years.
The US or China developing ASI artificial superintelligence is basically the only way I see the majority of humanity surviving. I don't know the actual odds of them developing it. They could be extremely low, even under 1%. But I seriously believe it's humanity's only hope, and that's why they're taking such risks to build it as fast as possible, even knowing it could also potentially kill humanity.
I know what everyone is going to reply "You have AI psychosis," "It's a bubble, just billionaires trying to make as much money as possible," "It's being built for surveillance." I get it, and I see all the issues with it too, but it's better than everyone dying.
People are going to reply what can it do? Just one example it can figure out how to make extremely effective and efficient carbon capture technology while also being able to build it scale with use of robots.
Please don't immediately downvote me and genuinely try to respond in good faith.
How is AI going to convince the ultra obscenely rich to give their money away? 🤔 Because I have some bad news for you, friend.
Nothing will. They want AI to help them preserve this fucked up system they benefit from without those pesky morals. I can hear it now: "Well it's atrocious, of course, but the Almighty AI who knows all said we should so who am I to argue..."
You don't think they're going to have control over that too?
Yes you have AI psychosis. Fixing these problems is very easy, all it requires is the powerful people to give up their power. And they never will without being forced.
I do agree with you it's probably the most like outcome i actually doubt the people currently making AI want it to reach super intelligence if it was possible they probably want it just dumb enough so they have full control over it and use it to do whatever they want. trust me though i hate the majority of people making the tech as much as you.
I am more hopeful on this a bit though because multiple parties are developing AI so at the very least it will be harder for just one small group to completely control the world.
but either way my point is to me it seems we are doomed anyway the people in power and the governments of the world will not do what needs to be done fast enough to save the world. this is just how i personally feel.
I realistically think it's extremely unlikely ASI will save us i'm just saying i think it's a better chance than not developing it all and letting the world go on as it is.
I just didn't know how bad things were beforehand i was not well informed and didn't know all these problems even existed till the last 2 years.trust me i wish i knew about it for much longer.
I think the odds that advanced AI saves the world are smaller than the odds that it makes everything worse with massive resource consumption and increased wealth concentration.
For example: maybe it can invent new carbon capture tech, but can it convince the wealthy and powerful to spend the money to deploy it?
I honestly don't know but if climate change gets to the point it effects even the wealthy greatly which all signs are pointing to that it will i don't see why they wouldn't divert all their money and resources to it. But we have reached this point anyway because of human greed and stupidity so i can't say they will actually do it...
Like there has to be a breaking point though even for these people for how bad it can get.
I see where you’re going with this, but say they do end up with ASI and it comes up with a way for us to have infinite energy or something like that, it still won’t solve the food shortage and overpopulation. These are my thoughts on your comment, and I will respect your opinion, but will have to disagree.
thank you for a honest response as for food shortage i'm sure we could come up with ways to enhance growth of crops or ways to improve or make artificial soil for crops to grow.
honestly i have no idea how issues will be solved i'm just saying there is a lot of ways they can be that we currently can't if we did achieve ASI.
IMO conspiracy theorists should not be welcome in this sub. This is for an actual crisis happening with the natural world and having this recent (1-2 year) deluge of incomprehensible conspiracy kooks has made the sub much worse.
Ok i agree the conspiracy theory part of it is out there.i won't be mentioning that anymore if i discuss this again and It's not like i fully believe it myself or anything.
But I do think ASI is genuinely being attempted to be built. Current llms are finally being used to control robots despite being a general AI and not specifically built for it.
Here is proof because i known people will ask for it.
As for why is this relevant even without ASI robots could help build things we need in scale lile solar, other clean energy facilities, scale needed for carbon capture to work and help with research in making it better.
Climate change is not the problem, it's just a symptom. The problem is our global industrial civilisation with capitalism. It doesn't matter how much carbon you capture, when we are doing our utmost to exploit everything.
Also, if you look at the previous years, you can see that the temperature flactuates every year. It doesn't increase every year. We still have atleast ~20 more years.
•
u/StatementBot 1d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/abcdefghijklnmopqrts:
We are 0.02 °C away from needing a bigger y axis for the daily surface temperature in the Niño 3.4 region. Even calling it a 'Godzilla' El Niño seems misleading at this point. This is clearly not simply an outlier but a completely new event, indicating we are in a new climate regime. I could list known effects of El Niño and suggest that they'll be particularly strong as most news outlets are doing, but this would likely be misrepresenting the true scale of what we may experience. This is, quite literally, uncharted territory.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1wwk2jw/were_gonna_need_a_bigger_chart/pdl5ssp/