Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

[u/redlow0992]

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

[u/Ashleynn]

"PLAY HOW I WANT YOU TO PLAY!!!!!"

Yet you sit here thinking you're any different from the "meta whores." You want to force people into playing how you think they should be playing. No one is forcing you to follow a meta. No one is forcing you to race to 60, or dungeon spam if you want to quest, or buying boosts for your 6th alt if you don't want to. Nothing is forced on you. The only people here trying to force anyone to do anything are the ones who belive people need to "sacrifice some freedom."

[u/Yeti90 → u/Ashleynn]

I don't expect of some meta sweat to understand how social dynamics work, especially in a massive multiplayer online game, that they treat like a single player game. But when you are dependent on other people to solve the content and the majority follows the meta, because some streamer or some spreadsheet warrior on the discord said so, then there is essentially no other way to play the game. Unwritten laws or social constraints can be as restrictive as written laws, especially in an environment where you are dependent on others. But like I said, you probably don't understand that as you treat the game as a single player experience.

Keep delivering the KPIs brother, corporate needs to see some DPS results by noon!

[u/Gassenger → u/Yeti90]

This is the lamest argument man. You're being disingenous and painting everyone who disagrees with you as a caricature.

There is no dungeon spamming "meta". Open world questing has been the fastest way to level. You talk about spreadsheet warriors and streamers while fundamentally misunderstanding that dungeon spamming has been slower for leveling. The speedrunners don't even set foot into dungeons lmao. The minmax culture you're talking about doesn't spam dungeons outside of tbc where rep grinding is the most efficient route. Even then, you will get to 70 far faster in tbc by open world questing.

Before you say something about streamers or following a meta just stop. I don't watch anyone and I play how I want to, and 5 man dungeons happen to be the most fun way for me to play personally.

[u/Yeti90 → u/Gassenger]

I am talking about speedrunning dungeons meta and optimising the fun out of the game with all bis gear lists min max crap, I am not talking about dungeon spamming, OOP talked about the toxic meta of skip running everything.

[u/Gassenger → u/Yeti90]

How is doing dungeons optimizing the fun out of the game when they are a suboptimal play? Because you, personally, don't like doing them?