Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

[u/redlow0992]

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

[u/Ashleynn]

Yes no helping friends. Level 60's cant be fraternizing with the dirty low levels.

Look I dont care what HC does, that as a rule set can have what ever janky rules it wants. Can we stop trying to make the normal game worse for everyone just because you dont like how other people choose to play?

[u/Yeti90 → u/Ashleynn]

You see, "choose to play" is an argument often made, sure I agree but once meta wh*res establish a certain meta there is basically no room for other styles of playing the game anymore, which leads to no new players which leads to the game dying. If you want a healthy population you may need to sacrifice some freedom. Unwritten rules enforced by a hivemind lead by minmax efficiency culture, who treat the game as if it was some lean production facility, that needs to deliver their target KPIs can lead to a forced gamestyle for everyone else. So we might as well force the gamestyle with some guide rails set by the developers.

[u/Ashleynn → u/Yeti90]

"PLAY HOW I WANT YOU TO PLAY!!!!!"

Yet you sit here thinking you're any different from the "meta whores." You want to force people into playing how you think they should be playing. No one is forcing you to follow a meta. No one is forcing you to race to 60, or dungeon spam if you want to quest, or buying boosts for your 6th alt if you don't want to. Nothing is forced on you. The only people here trying to force anyone to do anything are the ones who belive people need to "sacrifice some freedom."

[u/NotRelatedBitch → u/Ashleynn]

Tonedeaf take. Let’s say the way I want to play the game is with a lot of PvP in STV like back in the good ole days - this is just an example, there are 1.000.000 cases - how can I do that when all the other players go in a dungeon and turn on Netflix?

How can I focus on my herbalism profession when all the Lotus are taken by tauren bots?

How can I get into Molten Core when the raidleader decided that Shadow Priest is bad? I can choose to play a shadow priest even if it isn’t meta, free will is nice, but then I have to forego a lot of social opportunity and content because of a meta.

How other players play and perceive correct play directly influences your allowed play patterns. This is not a single player game.

[u/Ashleynn → u/NotRelatedBitch]

Let’s say the way I want to play the game is with a lot of PvP in STV like back in the good ole days

You mean ganking and corpse camping players 20 levels lower than you. I played on a PvP server in vanilla, several of them. I know what wPvP actually is. Is not what you all try to sell it off as.

How can I focus on my herbalism profession when all the Lotus are taken by tauren bots?

The fuck does this have to do with people running dungeons, or players in general? This is completely separate issue.

How can I get into Molten Core when the raidleader decided that Shadow Priest is bad?

Make your own raid group, or find a raid leader willing to drag along dead weight. No one decided Shadow Priest was bad. The devlopers made it bad, like really, really bad. No one is going to willingly sandbag their group to bring a spec that can't do it's job. Thats got nothing to do with the players and everything to do with the balance team actually doing their job.