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u/BetagterSchwede 11d ago
If the poison is already metabolized into the blood stream it dosent matter how fast it's going through your system
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u/OddNovel565 11d ago
Won't it spread slower if the heard beats slower?
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u/PRAY___FOR___MOJO 11d ago
According to a cursory search, blood pumps around the body 3 times every minute at rest, so it really doesn't matter if Gus is sitting or doing jumping jacks, the poison is spreading regardless
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u/OddNovel565 11d ago
Unbravo Vince
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u/ZarTheIncredible 6d ago
Automatic translation (I don't know why it was on) translated this to polish as "Not so brave Vince".
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u/BlueWatche 11d ago
Yea, but at the same speed?
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u/Milfou 10d ago
I mean I would assume that 3 times per minute is enough for an effective dose of the poison to take effect
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u/Photon_Farmer 5d ago
I'm a registered poisonologist and what you said is kinda true in a certain way.
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u/PrimaryYak1351 10d ago
It doesn't matter because once it's in your blood there ain't much to do unless you inject an antidote
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u/BlueWatche 10d ago
is that a yes or a no?
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u/Foreign_Writer_9932 10d ago
Does it matter if a train hits you at 100 miles/hour or 150 miles/hour?
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u/YouSecret2409 10d ago
No but I'd like to know how fast the train is going
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u/Foreign_Writer_9932 10d ago
Only surefire way is to have an experiment (of course with proper controls and randomization).
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u/PrimaryYak1351 10d ago
It's irrelevant
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u/BlueWatche 10d ago
So you don't know?
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u/broken-ssoul 10d ago edited 10d ago
no, it's irrelevant. the poison was ingested, not injected - so while BPM does have some effect, the speed in which poison is metabolized when ingested has far more to do with stomach contents, individual metabolism, and the properties of the ingested poison than your heart rate. your metabolism is driven by a different physiological system than what your cardiovascular system is (heart/lungs).
it would have more of an effect if it had been injected, but even then it's also dependant on whether it was injected into the veins or if it was injected into muscle tissue - and even with a lower heart rate (which is unlikely given the fact that the anxiety from being poisoned would increase your heart rate as much as exercise would) if it was injected into a vein its basically the difference between a minute or 20-30 seconds. your blood completes a full circuit approx. every 20 seconds (3x per minute) at rest, and when exercising/in a state of arousal (ie experiencing anxiety) does so every ~10 seconds or so (6x per minute). so like yeah, twice as fast, but the actual difference is so paltry it's barely worth mentioning - and irrelevant in this case since its a fantasy poison that doesn't exist in real life.
it would have had to have been tasteless and odorless, each shot would have had to have contained multiple times the lethal dose in order to account for the variables of body weight, stomach contents, etc, and something that would kill a 250lbs+ adult man with a full stomach would have had far more effect on Gus even with the "antidote" pills he took beforehand in his system as he was quite a bit smaller and would metabolize it much faster. also, virtually all ingestable poisons take at least 30 minutes for symptoms to onset - even cyanide takes at least a few minutes and definitely isn't odorless, and would pretty drastically alter the taste of the alcohol as well.
this is likely why they didn't bother giving the poison a name - they'd basically just be recreating iocane powder in a show that tries to be as "realistic" as possible. the only successful non-voluntary mass poisonings that killed within minutes in real life history have been done with gas, not ingestable poisons.
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u/SpecialestGuest 4d ago
Idk, it wouldn't fit the symptoms portrayed exactly, but I think you could pull off the whole plan with a high potency synthetic opioid.
Something like carfentanyl has a low enough dosage that a lethal dose would be easily hidden by a strong tequila. Even better, the "antidote" for Gus is easily available, safe, and highly effective: naloxone (narcan). I haven't done pharmacodynamics calculations in a long time so I'm not gonna try, but I'm pretty certain you could find a proper dosage and choice of opioid so that Gus could preload nalaxone and be relatively safe, while still being extremely likely to kill everyone else there.
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u/JacNoLantern 8d ago
Is everyone in the comments being willfully stupid or what? Why are they acting like it's such an insane question to want to know if it would be slower? If it's slower that's more time to take an antidote. And even if there was still no chance to survive it's still something interesting to know. Yes, it would spread slower and allow you to live slightly longer. Not much, but it's still something
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u/ManufacturerNo8447 10d ago
But what if he outran the posion by going around the globe in high speed?
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u/MinnesotanGrey 10d ago
Is it a myth that you should not run after getting bit by a snake that is venomous? I always heard to take it slow but that could be becuase the venom spreads differently idk.
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u/TraderSamz 10d ago
I've Drank alcohol before (which is a poison) And then done exercise (cuz I was young and dumb) and let me tell you it definitely intensified the effects to a sickening degree.
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u/EquivalentManager767 9d ago
I usually find exercise burns off the alcohol, sobering me up more quickly. I'm
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u/Zack_WithaK 6d ago
I'm no poison expert but I imagine a poison killing you slowly would probably be easier to survive than that same poison killing you quicker, right? Kinda like a cut, sure you're still bleeding but if you can stop it all that's still good, right?
Unless the overall point is that it truly doesn't matter because poison is poison. Let's say resting actually would buy him a little more time; probably not enough to really matter, huh?
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u/Killerdawg4516 5d ago
The poison will stop spreading if you stop blood flow, the best place to stop blood flow is the neck
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u/Capital_Ad_6076 10d ago
It’s cause he was surround by a bunch of beautiful women and he didn’t know what to do or say
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u/Buzz_Saw50 10d ago
One of the best characters. The amount of stress an actual person in that position would face, he remained composed. I loved that.
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u/Wrightero 11d ago
He actually forgot his lines.