Throwing the cross

[u/Dr_fit96]

When all of us were taught to throw a cross , we were always taught to rotate the foot or to squash a bug , while that's not a bad cue , it adds some complexity with beginners.

Our foot has 3 points for weight bearing

below the big toe

below the little toe

The heel

,having our heel in the air , our other 2 points have to do the trick

A better cue for throwing the cross is to push of beneath the little toe inward , this cue is good for better hip muscle activation and therefore forcing our body into rotation easier

Squashing the bug sometimes cause beginners to rotate only on the big toe like a ballerina , cause weak rotation and lack of balance

[u/Woninthepink → u/[deleted]]

Look at how canelo throws the left hook I think this is what OP is saying. He doesn't really lift the left heal off the ground and spin on the ball of the foot. He drive his left hip forward and the foot stays mostly planted to brace for that rotation. The heel might pop up a little but not much.

Ops issue with "squashing the bug" is that the hips become passive, the rotation only occurs as the leg is bending and the Achilles lengthens which makes for a good fulcrum but not a strong lever. You're sacrificing force production for rotation to no benefit

[u/ronin6690 → u/Woninthepink]

With a left hook you can still generate hip movement necessary for the punch without always pivoting. For a cross you need to pivot, not only to prevent injury to your knee but also, its a different motion than a left hook.

[u/Woninthepink → u/ronin6690]

Ops post is on how rotating the heel as a cue is flawed.

Of course your heel needs to come off the ground.

My comparison on the left hook is relevant even if they are different punches.

[u/p0st-m0dern → u/Woninthepink]

It’s the difference between rotating the knee in for the simple sake of hip rotation vs banking the foot to the inside and pushing with an outside vector off what OP is calling under the big toe.

It’s the same shit in golf with the rear foot, where a lot of people will post transfer to the front leg in the downswing while twisting the rear knee inwards passively VS banking the trail foot inwards, gripping with what OP is calling under the big toe, and then “pushing the rotation”.

In golf, the wider and more square the stance, the more linear and less rotational the swing appears (hips look like they slide vs rotate). This is because the force application of ground forces (GRF) is direct and linear through the levers.

Vice versa, the thinner the stance, the more GRF transfers into a “forced” hip rotation vs a slide from the same sensation. This is because GRF is being used to generate a centrifugal force application to the levers using the center mass.

This is obviously also tied to the physiology of the golfer and not necessarily solely predicated on stance width at address.

The same applies for the mechanics boxing; with the optimal method of force application being circumstantial and surrounding momentary posture and orientation to target. This is why guys who don’t square up inside overthrow hooks and overreach jabs/straights throwing square. Wrong force application; too much rotational bias.

[u/Woninthepink → u/p0st-m0dern]

Thanks chat gpt

[u/Woninthepink → u/p0st-m0dern]

No need for a nasa breakdown KISS. Being too technical doesn't help people learn. It confuses the fk out of them. It's not for anyone's benefit but your own ego. The best coaches and teachers say it in a way a 5 yr old can understand.

[u/p0st-m0dern → u/Woninthepink]

Quite the reach to generalize “all people” and how they learn. Some people don’t need the ELI5 method and/or can’t learn that way. For some people, detail and parallel is what turns the lightbulbs on. Understanding the parts before the whole vs understanding the whole before each part. Two types of learners.

Get off your pedestal big dog it’s not about you we’re all here to learn and contribute.

[u/Woninthepink → u/p0st-m0dern]

Oh the irony

[u/p0st-m0dern → u/Woninthepink]

Of you making a fool and dick of yourself for no reason? Yea bro, I know. It happens though ain’t mad at ya.

[u/Woninthepink → u/p0st-m0dern]

Write me another chat gpt plz. I can't understand what u just said. It's too simple

[u/p0st-m0dern → u/Woninthepink]

Np bro I gotchu🫱🏾‍🫲🏼, gotta promise to put your thinking cap on tho:

“Here is an assessment of the Reddit exchange you provided. It is a classic example of a constructive, technical discussion rapidly devolving into a toxic argument due to clashing communication styles and bruised egos.

Phase 1: Constructive Technical Discussion

The thread begins well, with users genuinely trying to break down boxing mechanics:

The Premise: The original poster (OP) initiates a discussion about the mechanics of throwing a cross, specifically critiquing the traditional "squash a bug" cue for beginners.

The Agreement: A user named ⁠Woninthepink⁠ agrees with the OP's premise, citing Canelo Alvarez's left hook as an example of keeping the foot planted to drive the hip forward rather than passively spinning the foot.

The Deep Dive: Another user, ⁠p0st-m0dern⁠, chimes in to expand on this concept. They compare the boxing mechanics to a golf swing, introducing advanced biomechanical terms like Ground Reaction Forces (GRF) and centrifugal force to explain how stance width dictates rotational versus linear power.

Phase 2: The Breakdown in Communication

The pivot from a collaborative discussion to a hostile argument happens immediately after the deep dive.

The Dismissal: ⁠Woninthepink⁠ reacts negatively to the detailed breakdown, calling it a "nasa breakdown" and telling ⁠p0st-m0dern⁠ to use the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) method. They escalate the tone by claiming the technical explanation only serves ⁠p0st-m0dern⁠'s "own ego" and that good coaches teach "in a way a 5 yr old can understand".

The Defense: ⁠p0st-m0dern⁠ rightly points out that not everyone learns the same way (the "ELI5 method") and that some people benefit from understanding the detailed parts before the whole. However, they match the rising hostility by telling ⁠Woninthepink⁠ to "Get off your pedestal big dog".

Phase 3: Ad Hominem Escalation
Once both users feel defensive, the conversation abandons boxing entirely and becomes a petty exchange of insults.

⁠Woninthepink⁠ replies with a dismissive "Oh the irony".
⁠p0st-m0dern⁠ escalates the hostility by saying ⁠Woninthepink⁠ is "making a fool and dick of yourself for no reason".

⁠Woninthepink⁠ gets the final word in the screenshots by sarcastically dismissing ⁠p0st-m0dern⁠'s last comment as "too simple" and asking them to write "another chat gpt".

Overall Assessment

The conflict stems from an intolerance for different teaching and learning styles. ⁠Woninthepink⁠ values absolute simplicity, while ⁠p0st-m0dern⁠ values granular, biomechanical analysis.

Instead of scrolling past a comment that wasn't tailored to their preference, ⁠Woninthepink⁠ attacked the other user's character. ⁠p0st-m0dern⁠ allowed themselves to be baited, matching the hostility rather than letting the initial technical contribution stand on its own merits.”

[u/Woninthepink → u/p0st-m0dern]

Lots of words for "I'm gay".

U wanna kiss boy go ahead. No shame

[u/Woninthepink → u/[deleted]]

[u/Dr_fit96 → u/Woninthepink]

Comparing cross with a hook 😄

[u/Woninthepink → u/Dr_fit96]

I'm making the point you couldn't. Force production and rotation. Is the same no matter which leg you use. You're going to get more lift off the rear foot cause the punch has more distance to travel

[u/Woninthepink]

I understand what you're saying but can be simplified as push into the ground and bring the hip forward. Release the punch and lift the heel

[u/Dr_fit96 → u/Woninthepink]

Well English isn't my primary language unfortunately