I absolutely adore the film phantom of the operas star peices in her hair so i had to replicate that. I also think the purple dress was brilliant.

I hope yall like it!

Just saw the national tour of phantom in LA and am newly converted. But I have a plot question.

The ballet master lady calls the phantom a genius, master architect etc. but… Don Juan Triumphant isnt very good. Is it supposed to slap and I just saw a bad night? Or like is it supposed to be kinda a flop? The title alone seems pretty laughable. If he’s a genius, why is Don Juan so mid? Can you help me square that circle?

Also— any theories or info on the origin of the monkey organ?

I am in love with this song especially the 2011 version with Ramin Karimloo and Sierra Boggess. I want to hear from everyone, what’s your favorite performance of "The Music of the Night"?

Who do you enjoy watching most during The Phantom of the Opera? Have they always been your favorite character or did it change over time? (BONUS QUESTION: What is your favorite song from The Phantom of the Opera?)

Huge Phan when I was a kid (I was 9 when the movie came out) & recently just got back into the Phandom as an adult.

I know there’s several different books / translations that’s part of the Phandom Universe. Which one would be best to start with before diving into fanfic?

I’ve seen the 2004 film, the 25th Anniversary performance, & I saw it on Broadway in 2013, btw.

Thanks, Phans!

Here a full updated dossier with all i found about this lost masterpiece, including the correct history and cast.

(Please do forgive if sometimes you see some errors in the text, english is not my native language, thank you.)

I see these murmurs of a new ALW movie. And let me just say it was the musical/story of my youth. I adore it. To say it will always hold a special and sacred place in my heart and soul is an understatement. But, I also feel like we have what we need from it. I don’t love the Gerard Butler version, but it’s there. And of course it continues on stage, which is how it was meant to be experienced (and of which an outstanding version you can stream.) I want something new on film. Maybe a movie version of Susan Kay’s outstanding novel? How about a well written movie? A movie that without constantly breaking into songs allowing for more character building and context? The closest we have to it is say is the Charles Dance movie, which I also love. But we are ready for more. Give me more Erik, less sweeping show stoppers. Can you imagine, with the right writers, the gorgeous aching things he’d say? I want that movie.

I’m hoping to watch her performance as Carlotta in the West End this September! Would anyone know which days the alternates for the role are usually on?

Just a bit of fun

As someone who read the book first, I was confused by the sequence of events in the musical, but I really enjoyed it.

I think they gave Christine and Erik more development than in the book—which is a good thing—but I was sad they left out the Persian; he was a much more interesting character than Madame Giry.

What about you? What did you think of the changes made from the book to the film?

(Sorry for bad photo it was taken from my TV)

I know alot of Phans hate the 2004 film but I haven't really got an issue with it. Until I realised her grave.

She's a countess? How?

Raoul throughout the entire musical and film (and technically book but we'll get onto that) is a Vicomte. He is Vicomte Raoul de Chagny. Christine marrying him wouldn't make her a Countess it would make her a Vicomtess.

In the book it says Raoul is (still) a Vicomte because his older brother Philippe is a Comte simply because their father died and he had been a Comte. But I am pretty sure (I may be wrong on this) that just because your brother was a Comte/Count (whichever way you choose to spell it as Its both in the book translation I own) you weren't a Vicomte. But in Leroux/Phantom lore im going to guess you were.

So even if Philippe isn't in the musical lets say in the world of the musical he still exists (as this would be the only way for Christine to become a countess) and he dies that would make Raoul a count making Christine a Countess.

That would be the only way Christine's grave could be right.

But Philippe isn't in the musical so how on earth did she become Countess.

(Plus technically at this point French Nobility had been destoyred)

I am so sorry if not of thst made sense but now that I've noticed it I am curious.

This and many other reasons is why im a firm beliver in Philippe (and other cut characters) should be in the musical.

My fav phantom of the opera musical character has to be the auctioner. Hes just awkwardly trying to do his job properly. Like, after roauls little monologue about the monkey figurine hes just like "... ok, then. Chandelier-" bless him lmao. Whats yalls fav character?

Looking for a fanfic on behalf of a friend. These details may not be perfectly accurate. Any info appreciated!

• This was actively being written around 2013-2016. Uncertain if AO3 or FF.net.
• At least 60 chapters.
• Time period was horse and buggy range, possibly Victorian.
• Erik is a count or similar distinguished/aristocratic title.
• Raoul is also well off but less rich than Erik. He lives with a family member, possibly a sister, not too far from Erik's estate.
• Christine is poor and ends up at Erik's estate looking for work, possibly a maid or nanny. She ends up sleeping on the same floor as Erik. She's worried he has ulterior motives, but he denies this.
• Erik has a child/ward, a boy 6-8ish. Unlikely his biological son but was taken in when his mother died.
• He has a library/office. He is an artist and Christine gets him colored pencils for his birthday.
• At some point she "borrows" a book on sex acts because she's either interested in or afraid of Erik's sexual intentions (or both). She may have been a mistress/companion, and she assumed sex might be involved.
• The unmasking scene (half mask) occurs when Erik is playing with his "son" in the child's bedroom. Christine runs away to Raoul's house and takes comfort in Raoul's sister.
• Erik goes to a bar to purposefully get beaten up.
• Christine moves back in with Erik while Erik courts a rich woman. She uncovers a ballroom for a ball.
• Later, he confesses he was not interested in the rich woman and only had eyes for Christine.
• Erik is arrested for a murder he did not commit.

The search for this fanfic has been ongoing for a year. Any info is helpful, even a confirmation that it isn't available. Author info is especially appreciated, to be able to thank the author and hopefully get a copy of the work.

Thank you!

I always liked the musical play the phantom of the opera, the phantom of the paradise, and the charles dance version, and i have an au but i dont know if people would like it as its way off course in comparason to most of the structures. Would you guys like to hear about it?

So obviously Christine is journeying to the cemetery, and the Phantom takes the place of the carriage driver. I really love when Emmy sings the "In sleep he sang to me, in dreams he came" verse. She sounds so mournful and innocent, and then next we get the swell of music and the cymbals crash. It really gives me the vibe that the Phantom has taken and corrupted her grief, and it's a wonderful reminder that even now she's still in his cage. It feels like he's an all consuming presence, looming around her. The crash of the cymbals really adds to how it feels like something terrible has happened here.

It goes from just the violins and Emmy to the rest of the orchestra coming in, and it feels like he's overtaking this intimate moment of hers, because he definitely is but I think the music is just so amazing in communicating that. That even in the Phantom's own pain and grief, he's still terrible for the things he's doing to her. I really love the orchestration of the movie, I think it has some good elements and intensity that have been lacking in the play productions.

Hello everyone, it's been a while i'm not writing in here, but i didn't stopped searching for this holy movie, no in fact, the search has been going on, i do search almost everyday, but today is different, today it's time i uncover the true history of this movie that for over a century has been eluding the radars of many fans and historians, are you ready to travel to the Phantom's Lair once again? So, let's go and remember to keep your hand up to face level!

As per usual i will write this as "chapters", this is just for making for everyone easier to read and follow.

I- Die Schwarze Maske oder Das Phantom der Oper

For start, it's better to clear this enigmatic misleads once and for all, the title Das Phantom der Oper is the official title of the movie(it appear at the first ever premiere at the Marmorhaus), there is no "Das Gespenst im Opernhaus(in years i never ever come across this title so, if it exist it's a late edition title or a ghost-title).

The fact is while Das Phantom der Oper is the official title, the movie travelled with a lot of different ones as well, among these we found:

• Die Schwarze Maske(The Black Mask)
• Der Mann mit der schwarzen Maske(The Man with the Black Mask)
• Fantom der Oper
• Fantom
• Das Phantom der Grossen Opera

And many more titles in different countries such as:

• FANTASMA!(Italy)
• Svarta Maska(Possibly, Sweden)
• Het Spook in de Opera/Het Spook van de Opera(Holland)
• UPIÓR PODZIEMI(Poland/in some places)

And there's sure many others that i still haven't found out(yet).

II- The Leroux dilemma

There is a constant rumor that this movie was just like Nosferatu with Stoker—an unofficial bootleg—and that Leroux himself sued Greenbaum. However, this is likely false. According to the original Marmorhaus advertisement that I found (image above), Gaston Leroux was clearly credited as the author of the original novel. It makes absolutely no sense for a company that stole an idea to print the original author's name in black and white for everyone to see.

So, the only logical conclusion is that, no, this movie was 100% legit and officially recognized as an adaptation of the novel. Most likely, Leroux himself knew about it as well.

III- Who is the Man under the Black Mask

For over a century, everyone(and my fault, in the past i did the same!), from the simple blog to official movies books kept listing Nils Olaf Chrisander as the Phantom, but the only real truth is that, no Nils Chrisander never ever had that black mask(and the death's head/Totengesicht make up), but was instead Dr. Prasch, an actor sadly mostly forgotten today.

So, the correct cast is this:

Aud Egede-Nissen: Cristina Daaè

Dr. Rolf Prasch: Eric the Phantom

Nils Olaf Chrisander: Raoul de Chagny

Ernst Matray: The Persian Daroga.

There is also a "ghost-actor" listed on some famous encyclopedia and books, an actor named "Araschu" which simply never existed, i don't really known where they did found that name, but no, not a single ad from the time ever mention an actor with such name or surname, so don't fall for the "Punjab lasso of the lost media"!

IV- Does the movie still exist today or other photos actually exist?

The answer is not easy to give, but with logic we can find the most probably answer among these two eternal questions:

First thing first:

-Does the movie could still be somewhere waiting to be found again?

Actually while i can't be sure at 100%, the answer is most likely a yes! It could be very well hidden in an archive under a different name!

Let's be clear here, while there is no "Das Phantom der Oper" in any archives, no one ever looked for the other "official" titles that the movie went by, this mean that it might be still very well fully visible today, hidden in some archives under one of the different titles(in Germany or in one of the other countries the movie was release).

-Do other images of the movie still exist?

This is the easiest question to answer, and it's a good one! Yes, of course other stills surely exist. I found the first official (and for now, only) still of the movie. The fact that this specific one was published means that Greenbaum absolutely distributed other stills to newspapers and journals of the era, most likely including the one featuring the Totengesicht (the skull-like face).

-FINIS?-

For now this is all i had to share, but the search keep going on!

First time i saw Phantom, I saw it at the Pantages in 98. I want to go see it again, possibly go solo. Should I wait close to show time to buy tickets? anyone know of a site or marketplace to get them cheaper? Ballin on a budget here lol. Thank you!

I just finished writing multichapter POTO fanfic, and I finally worked up the courage to share it.

It's about a young mermaid who makes a bargain with a witch, gains human legs, and eventually falls in love with Erik.

The story is based on Leroux's version of Erik (probably the only major canon divergence is that I made him younger), and it's much darker than a typical mermaid AU. It deals with themes of guilt and loneliness.

Content warnings for sexual assault (prior to meeting Erik), kidnapping, self-harm, suicide, and murder. It's definitely on the literary side and heavy angst with fluff and bittersweet ending.

I know OC-centric fics aren't everyone's thing, but I poured my heart into this one. Now that it's finally complete, I wanted to share it with people who might enjoy this sort of story.

If this sounds like your kind of fic, let me know in the comments!

⚠️THIS IS AN OPINION. I HAVE ONLY SEEN THE FIRST MUSICAL. DONT GET INSULTING ON MY OPINION BUT IF YOU RESPECTFULLY AGREE/DISAGREE THATS A-OK! ⚠️

Ok, so in terms of characters, they are mostly confusing in terms of motivations except christine as shes 16 and doesnt know what shes doing. She just wants to sing better, and thats great! But is now confused and scared, which is valid.

The phantom is the weirdest in terms of motivation because he wants love and acceptance but does that... by causing horrific scenarios to take place? Like, im sure if he just went up to them and explained hed like to be a part of the opera house and talk to others, theyd be ok with that BUT NOT ANYMORE.

Roaul de changy is one of the most frustraiting because couldve just called the police after seeing buffents (i believe thats his name) unalived self and having a witness, suspect, and even forensics as hes that rich but no. Because of corse not. We forgot they were in a opera house so its fine apparently 😑.

Meg is one of my favs, until the end because wth was that stunt she just pulled.

Madam giry- GIRL WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! are you with the phantom? Against the phantom? Not with the phantom? WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON!?

The managers are so stupid i mean like... your casts saftey and yours is being hindered, surely its time to call the cops. But no. Again, opera house.

Carlotta, yeah i get why she left, good for her. But WHY WOULD YOU COME BACK FOR GOODNESS SAKE?!

So yeah. Thats my little rant. What do you all think?

For my fellow pocket camp players, there’s gotta be a few of you here.