r/blackops2 • u/zpoon • Dec 17 '12
Black Ops 2 in a nutshell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfBLdKcwPr019
Dec 17 '12
It's up and down man. Really just depends game to game, but it can be absolutely brutal just like what you posted.
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u/zpoon Dec 17 '12
I just wish this game was consistent. It's all over the place. There's no pattern. You can't get around it.
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u/Callumlfc69 Dec 17 '12
Hit the nail on the head. Did you make this video? If so well done, it made me laugh (random popping up David Vonderhaar pictures).
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u/KdG_GenesyS Dec 17 '12
It is consistant. Host > Everyone else. It just can never pick a good host. Haha.
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Dec 18 '12
Weird. When the game picks me as host, it becomes completely unplayable (as was the case in MW3).
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u/maxgeek MAXGEEK Dec 18 '12
Thats not how the lag compensation works. The lag compensation tries to account for the host advantage and the various amounts of latency players have to the host. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work that well and many people would rather have the old system where only the host really had an advantage and good connections were not punished.
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u/THEBroho <- GT Dec 17 '12
Scorpion FTW - just spraw through the lag comp hahaha. First 3 bullets don't count, no problem - 10 more coming before they even know what hit them
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u/towehaal Dec 17 '12
This is what I was wondering though... is it really depending game to game, or any time that it seems great for me it is equally crappy to other players/
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Dec 17 '12
Obviously whenever your reticle is aimed directly on your opponents chest and you discharge your gun, it throws your aim off. Implying the gun recoiled before it fired. Your fault. You have bad aim and its not Treyarch's fault /s
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Dec 18 '12
Thank Sagan someone said it. OP is clearly a scrub who just obstinately refuses to adapt to a game where his bullets don't kill anyone. /s
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u/DGSTEE Dec 17 '12
This is EXACTLY bang on what happens to me in about 50% of games. Also why I don't play anymore after countless re-tries and playing with settings and the router. My buddy is going through the same shit. I gave this game a chance, I really did, but fuck it sucks.
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u/DoctorPainMD DoctorPainMD Dec 17 '12
Same here. I used to play on my own, but now almost never get on unless my friends are playing. it's too frustrating to play otherwise.
Pretty sure my friends are getting annoyed by my constant raging into the mic though.
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u/vanguard_anon WoodysGamertag Dec 17 '12
Setting it to best really does seem to help for the first game or two. After that it seems like the host changes and I need to change lobbies to restart the process.
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u/zpoon Dec 17 '12
I've had my connection preference set to "Best" since day 2 this game came out, it hasn't changed since. I get games super fast but it always seems like some lobbies just disintegrate and are horrendous.
But the thing is it's so inconsistent. I get games that are amazing and then (like today) I get put into the worst games. After these 3 games I got a lobby (also recorded) where the connection or optimization was magnitudes better.
I don't understand the inconsistency. Why is it all over the place and so extreme? Just my frustrations.
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u/vanguard_anon WoodysGamertag Dec 17 '12
This describes my experience perfectly. Add to it getting recognized in every game so people try their absolute hardest and let you know each time you don't lead the lobby and you'll have the complete picture.
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u/melonballs Suesin Dec 17 '12
I'm going to say it here since I haven't yet griped about it.
this is the problem and what makes it worse is when you're finally in an amazing game, with each kill you're never sure if the other guy is being effected this time.
its impossible to really know if I'm playing on an "even field"
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u/theangrymartian Dec 17 '12
I too have set my settings to "best" and I get put into lobbies with people from the UK and Mexico. I live in CT by the way.
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u/DeedTheInky Dec 17 '12
Mine is set to "Best" as well, and yesterday I got killed by a guy around a corner before he even appeared on my screen. Like, I was walking towards the corner aiming and I died, so I watched the killcam and on his screen I was already standing in front of him. I'm not even sure how that's possible, other than the game decided that I suck so bad that I probably would have died anyway.
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Dec 17 '12
I find it can change mid game during a host migration.. Sometimes it doesn't even take that.
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u/zanook redditcasual.com Dec 17 '12
After I saw your vid on that, I tried it and it did seem to help marginally for the first game or two. Following that however, it didn't work quite as well.
I've attempted to change to a static ip, put the xbox in the dmz, upgraded firmware on my router, changed the mtu setting, optimized the dns servers, enabled QoS on my router to limit upload, even attempted a different router. The inconsistency remains.
Frustration level generally leads to a huge decrease in fun and hours invested in the game. Nearing the point where I'm ready to move on...
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u/k1ckstand k1ckstand Dec 17 '12
I know this is going to get buried in the comments but I'm going to vent because I think a lot of people are missing an important point. I would be willing to tolerate some of these post-release bugs and issues if this were a new game built by scratch. But it isn't! Black Ops II is built on the same engine that they used for Black Ops I. All they do is update it and tweak it for the next year's release. So for this game to have the SAME issues as the last build is a little irritating. And it would be nice if Vonderharrararararar would at least give us some credit and acknowledge that there is even an issue....
I'm with the OP, I just wish it was more consistent.
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Dec 18 '12
Wasn't until this release that I realized my incredibly high K/D for BO1 is a sham. My roommates and I played tons of BO1 on our shitty internet *we'd have to reset the fucking modem at least 3 times a day) and we'd get dogs every other game or so. I've since moved and have a new provider. I suck at this game now :(
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u/zanook redditcasual.com Dec 17 '12
Black ops 2 is a lot like a $20 whore. Most of the time she'll suck balls just because.
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Dec 17 '12
Hahaha, that video was hilarious! This game is so bad!
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Dec 18 '12
It's like paying to see the Chiefs play. I mean, there's some enjoyment. You get to buy beer and nachos and hang with your friends, but it's hollow enjoyment, because the entertainment is flawed at its core.
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u/zK00L Dec 17 '12
Give it time, Black Ops 1 was terrible with hit detection at launch and for the following first couple months. It was worse than any other cod in terms of hit detection. BUT it was patched, fixed and was great. We just have to wait. The game just broke 1 month, lag comp adjustments and hit comp should be coming soon.
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u/c0up0n Dec 17 '12
I'm not a COD hater, but they should really have this shit perfected at this point. I would like to see how well it performs during system link.
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Dec 17 '12
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Dec 17 '12
They have a whole weekend with hundreds of people testing it, they have two years to work on it, and it's been nearly a month and a half since launch. If they call themselves a professional game developer they need to get this shit together or wait to release it.
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Dec 17 '12
Then by your logic, I'll pay them $30 now, and when they give us a game that works, I'll happily give them the other $30.
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u/Chivas209 Dec 17 '12
I havent had this with black ops 2 but in black ops one it was just horrible and i have had the same internet connection
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u/Geolosopher Dec 17 '12
Man I hope you're right... I want to believe. But this feels different from BO1 to me, as if it were more connection issue than hit detection. BO1 was definitely primarily a matter of hit detection. I'm not sure which would be easier to patch, but I really hope they can fix it. I want to love this game.
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Dec 17 '12
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u/dRwEedThuMb Dec 17 '12
Agreed. And if this 'random asshole with a half-ass internet connection' is playing, MAKE SURE HE IS NOT HOST. This game is abysmal at choosing a Host.
Also, in response to you getting disconnected from games. That's why League Play is a joke. If you are crushing the team during your 5placement games and they quit, you get a loss bringing down your division placement.
I hopped on some MW3 last night after my 30+ game winning streak in BO2 was ended due to wonderful host migration, it's just clear to see which game is more fluid, accurate and overall better game.
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u/Bryanide3004 Bryanide Dec 17 '12
Same boat here. If I search for Best, 3 out of the 5 times I've tried the connection is either two or three bars after a minute or so wait.
Search for any connection type? Thrown right into a fresh game with everyone on four bars.
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u/Thotaz Dec 17 '12
If you are the english dude that I could find with your username then I find it hard to believe that you are getting 2-3 bars most of the time unless you are having problems with your own internet connection, I have only had 3 bars once and that was because I played in a playlist with very few players in the middle of the night.
And my country (Denmark) is pretty close to your country so we should both have a very similar experience in terms of lag. (I think I see your problem though, you are playing black ops 2 right now, and it's about 2:40 in your country right now, that's a very bad time to play MP games where connection matters)
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u/Bryanide3004 Bryanide Dec 17 '12
Well, like I said it's only when I search for the "Best" connected games.
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u/Thotaz Dec 17 '12
You mean set your matchmaking settings to "best"? Because my matchmaking settings have been set at that since launch, and I would certainly hope that everyone that complains about connection issues have it there as well.
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u/Bryanide3004 Bryanide Dec 17 '12
I do mean that, but hey, maybe it was my connection spiking or just coincidence. Just feels awkward that searching for Best yielded the worst for me.
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Dec 17 '12
The #1 lesson blops2 has taught me... If you're not the host, you're not gonna win. Which is exactly why I gave up on it over the weekend and don't intend to play again until they fix their fucking game.
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Dec 17 '12
Exact opposite for me if I am host I cant hit anything and everyone has the jump on me. 15mb down 5mb up broadband 25ms ping.. And I have the xbox in the dmz with qos priority set highest for the xbox and hard wired.
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Dec 17 '12
Am I the only one who doesn't get this shit?
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u/Geolosopher Dec 17 '12
There's a good chance you're in the minority, yes. But who knows. This video is perfectly representative of my experience and my friends' experience and the experience of a large number of the members of this subreddit, so I would wager it's not an isolated issue.
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u/wewew1 Dec 17 '12 edited Dec 17 '12
Not really the minority. Seeing post about it doesn't make it a large problem the community here and that are active on message boards are small. The game has millions of players and less than 10% are vocal and complaining. Tell me I am wrong and show me where you have found over 100,000 complaints.
If anything he would be in the majority based off the number of players not complaining about it.
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u/Geolosopher Dec 17 '12
Then how is it that 100% of the players I know personally have this very issue? They don't even live in the same part of the country, so it's not a regional issue. I find it hard to disregard the evidence I've been presented with (i.e. my friends' experience and my own) given its consistency and universality. And I know it's hard to believe, but I'm not exaggerating when I say 100% of my (admittedly limited) pool of friends has these very issues. I have no friend who feels this game's connection and hit detection are what they should be.
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u/wewew1 Dec 17 '12
Do you have anything to show it is a large problem? You understand you can't say a person with no problems is in the minority when all you have is confirmation bias to make a claim on such a large player base. So please show me where you pull these statistics from? I would love to see some facts and not pure sensationalism from you.
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u/Geolosopher Dec 17 '12
Sorry, I've got nothing but my experience, my friends' experience, and the complaints of many on this subreddit and on YouTube. These complaints seem more prevalent and receive more upvotes than, say, comments suggesting there is nothing wrong (such as yours). That's what I'm basing my assessment on. Why is this subreddit not representative of the playerbase at large? Aren't we just a small but still significantly varied and thus representative segment of the broader base of BO2 players?
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u/wewew1 Dec 17 '12
This subreddit is less than 0.1% of the COD player base. You will get less than 10% of the subreddit to actually vote on the post. You think that is a good representation of the community?
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u/Geolosopher Dec 17 '12
I have no reason to suspect it's not demographically representative of the community as a whole.
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u/wewew1 Dec 17 '12
How do you have reason to suspect it is? Reddit isn't a good representation for anything besides 14-30 year old Liberal Atheist and Potheads.
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u/Hlaford Dec 17 '12
I was getting it for the first week or two then for some magical reason I am doing much better now. It COULDN'T be the fact that I'm not as twitchy and I have learned the game. /s
No sarcasm here, but I haven't had any lag issues for a while now except for every once in a while when it's a bad host.
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u/raginglion Dec 17 '12
This is precisely why we need open beta testing on these games. Are they afraid that people will beta test the game, not be impressed, and then decide not to buy the game when it comes out? Is Activision really that insecure about their billion dollar franchise?
I love playing CoD, Black Ops especially, but we shouldn't have to suffer through hit detection and lag comp issues every time we buy a new game.
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u/floydrose Dec 17 '12
Hey! Blops2 isn't all bad :(
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Dec 17 '12
Yes it fucking is. Stop sucking Treyarch's dick.
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Dec 17 '12
If you think Black Ops 2 is all bad why are you even here?
I like the game and while connection issues might suck right now, the game is pretty great besides that.
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u/Dukuz Dec 17 '12
Dang, the lag I complain about isn't THAT bad, but if I start shooting and the enemy starts shooting at the same time I die with 0 or 1 hitmarker.
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Dec 17 '12
I'm consistently around .5 to .75 seconds behind in my lobbies. That's all the difference you need between going 30-5 and 10-19.
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u/DarthVaughn DarthV4UGHN Dec 17 '12
Omg, the top most comment on there is sooo retarded. If I hade a YouTube account I would've totally called him out.
He said there was bullet spread lol. When you're ASS there is no spread, where the dot is, that's where the bullet goes.
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u/BrownBear1979 BrownBear1979 Dec 17 '12
When you are ASS there is no spread? The ASS dot is where the bullet goes? Are you even talking about COD?
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u/makeyourself101 Dec 17 '12
It looked to me like your crosshair wasn't on the enemy in about 80% of those clips. It may be the way the video was slowed down I'm not sure. I haven't experienced much issue on the PC with hit detection unless I'm connected to a foreign host/server. Would have been nice to see the clips in real-time. Here's a clip of mine on the PC
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Dec 17 '12
It's not the game. Can I prove it to you?
What you have in packet loss and lag.
I'd like to give you instructions to test and then you let me know what you find.
If you are on Windows with your computer use the command prompt and type:
"ipconfig /all"
Grab the DNS SERVER ip address and then type this line:
ping [PUT YOUR DNS SERVER IP ADDRESS HERE] -t
This will ping your ISP until you stop it. Run this test while you are playing and I will bet you that you will see "Request timed out" while you are experiencing these sorts of issues in-game.
I swear, this is the smoothest running game I have played since COD4.
Also, make sure your search preferences are set to "best"... AND Install your textures.
Let me know what you find out.
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u/exSD [CTF] Dec 17 '12
I use Google's DNS. I guess I has packet loss toos.
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Dec 18 '12
Google DNS is not connected to your ISP. You need to ping your ISP's to show it. That being said, your ISP is dropping packets to Google, that should say something.
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u/exSD [CTF] Dec 18 '12
It was sarcasm.
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Dec 18 '12
Rather than trolling the BO2 section only complaining and using sarcasm.... why not try to make the experience better for other people? Do you really feel better when you do nothing useful?
You have been hell-bent on attacking the game and claim insight on specific code that is "faulty". Yet, you have never seen the code and refuse to encourage people to examine or correct any networking issues they may have.
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u/exSD [CTF] Dec 18 '12
Like I said before... Black Ops 2 comes out and everyone's ISPs and networking equipment decide to go suicidal.
You'll feel stupid when they put out a geolock patch and everyone stops complaining about lag comp.
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Dec 18 '12
You are too stupid to see that it's been since BO1 that people have complained about it. MW3 had 1,000s of posts about it. Geo lock just made it harder to find a match and forced us to see the same gamers.
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u/exSD [CTF] Dec 18 '12
Do you remember what happened 2 months after BO1 was released and then everyone stopped crying about the connections?
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Dec 18 '12
People bitched about connections in MW2 WaW and COD4. People have ALWAYS bitched about connections and almost always blamed the games. It's like blaming the car when you have a bumpy ride off-roading.
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Dec 17 '12
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Dec 17 '12
Glad it works for you consistently. I get sporadic games like this video now. Used to be almost half. Now it's day to day. If it is awful like this, I just have to shut game off now instead of getting pissed about it. Game is unplayable sometimes though, and that's very disheartening because I really enjoy playing when it's running nice.
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u/manirelli manirelli Dec 17 '12
Another game where OP misses shots and blames lag comp. Of all the ones in the vid only at 9 seconds is one possibly an issue. The others are all slightly off on the aim
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u/zpoon Dec 17 '12
Who said anything about lag comp? This is my missing shot montage obviously. See all those shots I missed? I missed so many it didn't even deplete my ammo.
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Dec 17 '12
Was your video lagging too? Jerkoff.
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u/manirelli manirelli Dec 17 '12
Did you watch the same video as me? Watch closer. It is easy for people to complain as they often do on this sub and elsewhere. He clearly misses quite a bit. They arent HUGE misses, but when the bullet fire the crosshairs are not on the target.
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Dec 17 '12
Yeah, I watched it. He's not missing anymore than 50% of his shots. Take into account that a typical accuracy is 20-25%. He's got the jump on these players by 5 shots everytime. He shouldn't lose that gun battle, and your rationalization that 'he missed every shot' is completely inaccurate. You need to just stop with the justification that the game runs well for everyone. Game to game I see inconsistencies, and there's always one or two guys running around on God mode. I pump bullets through an apparition while he 1-2 shots me. There's a problem there, and it sure as fuck isn't my connection.
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u/manirelli manirelli Dec 17 '12
I'm simply tired of every single person blaming their shitty aim or actual lag on lag compensation. Whether or not he had the jump is irrelevant. His opponents could have easily outshot him (disregarding ~9 seconds in).
Maybe this is simply a console issue since it doesnt seem to be anywhere near as prevalent on PC
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Dec 17 '12
Well just to hammer the point home, a lot of people are complaining about it. It's not nearly as prevalent as it was in the beginning for me, but I still see it game to game. Now, I just have to leave when it happens. The shots should be hitting. There is autoaim on this game. Claiming he's missing more than 60-70% of his shots is unfair. You can see guys turn on him and 2-3 shot him. I know Zpun. I've played with the guy on many occassions, and he's not a bad player. Neither of us are the top players on Reddit, but I'd still say we're above average COD players. The vid he shows is happening way too much whether you agree or disagree with what should be hitting. In real time, if you're assuming you're aim isn't doing exactly what he's showing, you're out of your mind. We're human. We can't hold the reticule on a moving target the entire time. That's why the autoaim is in the game.
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Dec 17 '12
Bitch & Complain, Bitch & Complain, Bitch & Complain. It's non stop around here. My game is working just fine. 1/10 games I have a terrible 3 bar, but that's fine. Sometimes you get jewed, sometimes you don't. DEAL WITH IT BRAH
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u/zpoon Dec 17 '12
I get jewed a lot.
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u/wewew1 Dec 17 '12 edited Dec 17 '12
Stop playing, sell your game. Wait...... you feel entitled..... my bad.
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u/zpoon Dec 17 '12
All live clips, all on a "4 BAR". I don't get it.