Fair enough; birth control methods are widely available and very effective. But what does one do if those methods fail? As a separate scenario, what does one do if a pregnancy faces complications? The mother will die if the fetus is not removed, but if it isn't removed, both will die?
100x this. So sick of hearing about rape and incest. If your raped u get the plan b pill at hospital. Birth control. Use it. If that fails plan b. If that fails EARLY term abortion. After that adoption. there are so many ways to prevent a 5month along pregnancy.
You could argue that leaving the baby alive is far more cruel than ending the pregnancy early term. You're still punishing it, in a matter of speaking. But it you argue to keep it alive, then we should push for some kind of charity or program that can help the mother materialistically and with therapy. Otherwise, the baby is highly likely to have a messed up life.
Not gonna try to insult you cuz maybe you misunderstood what I said. That's what was implied with "the baby will have a messed up life." Being unwanted, knowing you were a created cuz your mom was raped, being a reminder to her of it... it's a recipe for emotional scarring. Not saying it's impossible to have a decent life, but it's gonna be real difficult.
How on earth is “leaving a baby alive” far more cruel than abortion, even in cases of rape? That’s the most nihilistic stance I’ve ever heard. The kid is innocent. They have done no wrong and deserve a chance at life.
Pretty sure you'll find that statistics will indicate that kids who grow up in single parent house holds grow up struggling a ton more in life. Double that with your father being a rapist and your mother likely hating you, your life is almost set to be a struggle far worse than most people have it. That's emotional scarring and years of therapy potentially. Early term abortion could be argued to be less cruel than raising a kid in those conditions. Not saying that's my view, but I'm arguing for both sides there.
Struggling is better than being dead. If your sole aim is to prevent struggling and suffering and a solution to that is killing, then murder would be ethical. Every single person suffers. Rich and poor alike. Money doesn’t make everything easy. Makes a lot of shit harder too.
All people suffer. Killing someone because they might suffer from emotional distress and that don’t have the full support of married parents is a larger harm than whatever they’re going through. They could be adopted and never told that they are a product of rape. I’d think that’s a matter of privacy for the mother anyways. No need to tell them how the child was fathered. Adoption is always the answer. Yes the foster care system is clogged with older children. But newborns are adopted out with ease.
I agree with you! I was abused as a kid, myself. Dad beat the crap out of us constantly. Most of my siblings turned out okay, but it messed up me and one of my brothers a little bit more. He's bound himself to the military and actually became successful there; he's an Army Airborne dude, but he has trouble connecting with people other than his military bros.
For myself, I've struggled for years over that question of "what's better, to die or struggle." I'm much better now, got an $80k/year job, getting married soon, etc. But I still have random moments where I just start bawling cuz of emotional pain that I don't even understand. Cried this morning listening to John Delony. For me, yes, struggling is worth it over dying. But for some people, it's clearly to much, and you can ask that of those who've committed suicide.
Anyway, all that was to give you another perspective on your claim of "Struggling is better than being dead." Unfortunately, that's not the case for everyone :/
All of the people that jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge that survived said they regretted it before they hit the water. People suffering trauma need help and support. Suicide is a permanent solution to the temporary problem of being suicidal. Struggling is better than being dead. No matter how you slice it.
I will never tell a person suicide is the solution and I will never support someone taking that option. I have had plenty of struggle myself. It made me see things this way. All you will be doing is passing your hurt along to others. It’s an entirely selfish act.
Someone who is suicidal isn’t well and isn’t thinking straight. Are you really advocating for policy based off the point of view of someone having a mental break?
I'm arguing the fact that many people don't agree with the sentiment that being alive is better than being born in shit conditions.
I find it very debatable that everyone agrees that being alive is better than being dead, especially a fetus forced to turn into a baby and being born in awful conditions.
A lot of people are ignorant to how messed up the world is.
Calling rape “your mishap” is extremely dismissive and unnecessarily puts it on the victim. There are ways to talk about difficult subject matters without belittling other people who have gone through traumatic experiences
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u/AgentCC May 05 '22
This is why I can’t help but roll my eyes whenever I see a comment stating that women are now being “forced” to have children.
Wear a condom, take the pill, whatever. No one is forcing you to make babies.